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Re: Poll: Do You Think You're an Addict? 09 Nov 2016 17:23 #297605

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This is a hard one, cos you're voting for / about yourself and requires honesty
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Re: Poll: Do You Think You're an Addict? 06 Jun 2017 20:04 #314765

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Re: Poll: Do You Think You're an Addict? 06 Jun 2017 20:23 #314769

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no i did not accept it right away, though i knew deep down something was wrong.

it took me 2 years from when i joined GYE  and acted out many times till i decided to join SA, 

Re: Poll: Do You Think You're an Addict? 06 Jun 2017 21:15 #314775

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Did you accept that you were an addict as soon as you joined GYE, or did it take time for you to figure it out? took me a week to figure that out, I was all over the place, so it took me time to understand what is called an addict.
If it took time, how did you come to that conclusion? A+B=Apples, after understanding the term of Addict then its very simple
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כי עיקר מציאות האדם בעה"ז הוא רק לקיים מצות ולעמד בניסיון,  והנאות העולם אין ראוי שיהו לו אלא לעזר ולסיוע בלבד לשיהיה לו נחת רוח ויישוב הדעת למען יוכל לפנות לבו אל העבודה הזאת מסילת ישרים

Re: Poll: Do You Think You're an Addict? 06 Jun 2017 21:40 #314782

Shivisi, stay dtrong forever!!
i'm onGYE for a month and you're one of my strongest supporters. I read your daily post with my mouth.. i'm waiting for it the whole day. Listen if you have the power, please start posting more messages a day as you're a strong supporter to others. I really admire your great work!!! 

KEEP ON TRUCKING!! 

you're doing great......

Re: Poll: Do You Think You're an Addict? 06 Jun 2017 21:57 #314784

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besrashashem@gmail.com wrote on 06 Jun 2017 21:40:
Shivisi, stay dtrong forever!!
i'm onGYE for a month and you're one of my strongest supporters. I read your daily post with my mouth.. i'm waiting for it the whole day. Listen if you have the power, please start posting more messages a day as you're a strong supporter to others. I really admire your great work!!! 

KEEP ON TRUCKING!! 

you're doing great......

Why do I feel that my eyes are wet?!?!, I'm really thankful to you... it keeps me going that I see how many people are being inspired true my posts, I will IY"H stay clean just for you people, I promise, ill try..
thank you thank you thank you
stay strong! stay clean! yes, you can, and I can too, that's why I'm here on this world...
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כי עיקר מציאות האדם בעה"ז הוא רק לקיים מצות ולעמד בניסיון,  והנאות העולם אין ראוי שיהו לו אלא לעזר ולסיוע בלבד לשיהיה לו נחת רוח ויישוב הדעת למען יוכל לפנות לבו אל העבודה הזאת מסילת ישרים

Re: Poll: Do You Think You're an Addict? 10 Sep 2020 00:55 #354854

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mggsbms wrote on 24 Nov 2015 15:51:

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I can't say that I ever considered my disease progressive, and most of the time I still don't. For me it was about not being able to stop. Withdrawl when trying to stop as well I guess. But mostly for me it is the unending obsession. It is all I think about sometimes. Even now. Something I always turn back to. I know I will never be cured.

Also what really hit home for me was when I was stressed about a high credit card bill and my first reaction was I need to go to the bathroom and masturbate. It was so twisted and disturbing that I had no choice to admit that lust had become my panacea for all my problems and I can't just walk away from it.

Wow sounds familiar. My car broke down acting out was the first thing that came to mind. Even when arthritis hits (I'm not that old though...) i think of acting out. Totally messed up thinking.

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Re: Poll: Do You Think You're an Addict? 10 Sep 2020 02:58 #354859

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Yes I was an addict. I knew something was extremely wrong when I completely broke down to my therapist about my life. I didn't realize it was lust at the time and I was completely lost in life. I did admit when I joined GYE that I was an addict but that was after some time on my own trying to fight it and pull myself together, eventually realizing this fight was much bigger and stronger than me on my own. So I didn't admit I was an addict right away and I went through the same period of realization as everyone else here and eventually coming to the same conclusion. 

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Re: Poll: Do You Think You're an Addict? 10 Sep 2020 05:48 #354867

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sleepy wrote on 10 Sep 2020 04:31:

Meyer M. wrote on 10 Sep 2020 02:58:
Yes I was an addict. I knew something was extremely wrong when I completely broke down to my therapist about my life. I didn't realize it was lust at the time and I was completely lost in life. I did admit when I joined GYE that I was an addict but that was after some time on my own trying to fight it and pull myself together, eventually realizing this fight was much bigger and stronger than me on my own. So I didn't admit I was an addict right away and I went through the same period of realization as everyone else here and eventually coming to the same conclusion. 

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im very happy that you have been helped by that realization ,but not "everyone else here " had that same conclusion , many have just a fight with a very strong,if not one of the strongest urges ,of a person, but it wasnt an addiction,and BH have found  tried and true ways of dealing with the Yetzer Hara. but true ,for someone who has an addiction probably other methods would have to be employed to get the desired results.
 what i mean by this being not an addiction for some is as following , here is a nice yeshiva boy who just finished learning a geshmaka R' Chaim and his Echad by Krias Shema almost ripped of the roof of the Beis Hamedrash,comes along his father and picks him up from Yeshiva ,gets home , tells his son to take a good shave and shower , and to get dressed in his best . when the son is ready, the father drives him to a house of harlotry, gives him a shpritz of the latest aftershave , and stuffs a wad of hundreds in his hand and drives off ...Chazal say about this scenario,"Mah Yaase Haben Shelo Chata?!"What in the world can the son do that he wont sin?!"if chas vishalom he falls, was it due to an addiction? is he a faker ?no*, of course not. its just a terrible nisayon.
do i make sense?

*ill grant you that there are people here who would say hes a faker, but i humbly disagree even though they have helped many people ,so my disagreement probably isnt worth too much,if at all ,to others

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Re: Poll: Do You Think You're an Addict? 06 Nov 2024 05:35 #424484

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Re: Poll: Do You Think You're an Addict? 06 Nov 2024 22:28 #424540

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Markz wrote on 06 Nov 2024 05:35:
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Just like the presidential election, I'm inclined to say a vote here won't make much of a difference.

If you have a problem, you need help. If you are in immediate danger, you need immediate help. If your danger is less imminent, you can try things out as you go.

I spent too long trying to decide if I was an addict. For what? I have a problem that needs help, but why does it matter if the problem is bdavka this type or that type. I worked my way up the food chain of solutions until I found one that worked. Punkt I didn't make it into a SA room to find a solution that is (bli ayin hara pu pu pu) working.

As far as I can tell the only reason a definition of "addict" matters is if you accept three premises: 1) addicts need a specific solution and 2) only that solution will work for addicts but 3) that solution will not work for non-addicts. 

Re: Poll: Do You Think You're an Addict? 07 Nov 2024 18:09 #424599

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cordnoy wrote on 23 Nov 2015 14:19:
From the White Book



"I could see a girl in a bikini on a billboard five years ago and it wouldn't bother me; now, I go to pieces and lose my mind over it."


Very enlightening stuff in this old post from Cordnoy. This line, however...

I don't know whether to laugh or to cry. Very disheartening. 

Weaning yourself off the "top tier crap", only to be driven insane by the "lower level crap" is a pretty useless cause, says a pretty despondent part of little 'ole me. 

I guess in my dour mood, any attempt to explain it away with religious platitudes would be interpreted by me as "cheesy, worthless reverse brainwashing"

Re: Poll: Do You Think You're an Addict? 07 Nov 2024 18:37 #424603

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youknowwho wrote on 07 Nov 2024 18:09:

cordnoy wrote on 23 Nov 2015 14:19:
From the White Book



"I could see a girl in a bikini on a billboard five years ago and it wouldn't bother me; now, I go to pieces and lose my mind over it."



Very enlightening stuff in this old post from Cordnoy. This line, however...

I don't know whether to laugh or to cry. Very disheartening. 

Weaning yourself off the "top tier crap", only to be driven insane by the "lower level crap" is a pretty useless cause, says a pretty despondent part of little 'ole me. 

I guess in my dour mood, any attempt to explain it away with religious platitudes would be interpreted by me as "cheesy, worthless reverse brainwashing"

It might help to quote the whole passage from the white book that cord was quoting:


Toxicity

Toxic reactions to alcohol and drug abuse are common knowledge. What we might call the toxicity of lust becomes especially apparent to us in recovery. We become increasingly aware of the poisonous effects of lust on our thinking and behavior. We have heard members say, "I'm allergic to lust," and we know the person is trying to describe the toxic reaction that occurs whenever he or she takes a visual or fantasy "drink" without even acting out. In sobriety, once we have withdrawn from lust and then let it back in, the toxic effect is felt immediately and strongly. We can tolerate less of it than ever, and it produces a greater disturbance. Our sexaholism doesn't stand still; it progressively worsens.
"I could see a girl in a bikini on a billboard five years ago and it wouldn't bother me; now, I go to pieces and lose my mind over it."
"Lust throws my whole system out of whack. I lose my equilibrium, my control, and have to recover as if from a poison."



I've put the key words in bold. 

Re: Poll: Do You Think You're an Addict? 07 Nov 2024 18:51 #424604

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iwillmanage wrote on 07 Nov 2024 18:37:



It might help to quote the whole passage from the white book that cord was quoting:


Toxicity

Toxic reactions to alcohol and drug abuse are common knowledge. What we might call the toxicity of lust becomes especially apparent to us in recovery. We become increasingly aware of the poisonous effects of lust on our thinking and behavior. We have heard members say, "I'm allergic to lust," and we know the person is trying to describe the toxic reaction that occurs whenever he or she takes a visual or fantasy "drink" without even acting out. In sobriety, once we have withdrawn from lust and then let it back in, the toxic effect is felt immediately and strongly. We can tolerate less of it than ever, and it produces a greater disturbance. Our sexaholism doesn't stand still; it progressively worsens.
"I could see a girl in a bikini on a billboard five years ago and it wouldn't bother me; now, I go to pieces and lose my mind over it."
"Lust throws my whole system out of whack. I lose my equilibrium, my control, and have to recover as if from a poison."



I've put the key words in bold. 

Yes, you are correct. I should've put the context in the quote as well. 

Yet, despite that, there's something here making me feel despondent.

Will try to write more later. 

Re: Poll: Do You Think You're an Addict? 12 Nov 2024 04:55 #424856

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youknowwho wrote on 07 Nov 2024 18:51:
Yet, despite that, there's something here making me feel despondent.

Will try to write more later. 

Tom, I wonder if you’re still feeling despondent. If yes, perhaps sharing can help? I often find that my head is altogether too full of thoughts and feelings to be able ti make sense out of them without the help of a pen (or a Pensieve)….
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