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My Story - Thank Gd 17 Sep 2015 00:27 #263954

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Hi guys!

Im a typical guy with weak communication skills. BH I have a great job, kids...
(Please see my share at end of page 1)
I've been wondering if people with weak communication skills are more vulnerable to the lure of pornography (See this link for example), and if unique non-standard steps would be suggested for us to get out of S* Addicion.

I also have a great therapist, but have been hesitant to ask about this yet.

I'd love to hear feedback from anyone familiar with the topic. ZemirosShabbos? You mentioned it some time back HERE

Thanks
Mark

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Re: My Story - Thank Gd 27 Sep 2015 12:49 #264790

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What Parents Need to Know
by Dr. Jaime Fleckner Black

"Adolescents and teens with Asperger Syndrome can be more naive than their peers about sexuality and dating. Aspergers syndrome is associated with a number of social challenges, including difficulty developing peer relationships and a limited ability to understand what others are thinking and feeling. By the time most non-Asperger individuals begin navigating the road to a romantic relationship, they have had many experiences interacting with different people in a variety of ways. Though young adults with Aspergers are often immature, they reach puberty and tend to become interested in sex and dating at the same time as their peers. This immaturity places these particular teens at risk for a variety of dangerous outcomes. Parents need to be aware of these risks to prevent their children from engaging in behaviors that could have unfortunate and occasionally devastating consequences.

Individuals with Asperger Syndrome tend to have special interests that are unusual in intensity or focus. It is not uncommon for a child to know as much as a paleontologist about fossils, for example. For teens, sometimes the special interest is a love interest, and the teen may be accused of stalking or harassing. These teens are left feeling hurt and rejected, and they don’t understand why their desire to know everything about another person is seen as creepy. Often they don’t have close friends with whom they can discuss their confused feelings, so they rely on the media to teach them about relationships. Some males turn to pornography for sex education which poses numerous risks. Teens who watch pornography develop unrealistic expectations about relationship progression. When they are with women, they expect them to behave like the women in films. In addition, due to their emotional immaturity, many males with Asperger Syndrome relate more to a younger age group and therefore can be more likely to view websites featuring underage girls. This is particularly troublesome for older teens because viewing such images constitutes child pornography and is a felony. In the past few years, an increasing number of individuals with autism spectrum disorders have been incarcerated for downloading images of underage girls or for chatting with them online.

Girls with Asperger Syndrome have their own challenges as they enter their teen years. Having received little attention from other girls during childhood, they are often flattered to receive male attention as a teen. They may fail to recognize the sexual nature of a boy’s interest. A common characteristic of Asperger Syndrome is difficulty understanding nonverbal communication. Because flirting is so heavily reliant on body language, it is often not recognized by the teen with Asperger Syndrome. Lacking experience and sex education, these females can be susceptible to sexual abuse.

Parents, teachers, and clinicians have critical roles to play in helping boys and girls with Asperger Syndrome learn appropriate sex and dating behaviors. Effective tactics include communicating the factual benefits of appropriate behaviors along with the risks of inappropriate behaviors, monitoring and giving feedback on computer use, and offering realistic relationship models. It is imperative for the safety of children with Asperger Syndrome that they receive sound instruction and structured support rather than learning informally (and inaccurately) from friends and media"

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Re: SA for AS - Aspergers 27 Sep 2015 14:58 #264804

AlexEliezer OFFLINE Platinum Boarder Posts: 1922 Karma: 56	It would seem to me that The Steps would be especially helpful for someone with AS. I say this because The Steps are there to guide the addict back into healthy relationships with himself, his family and social circle, his Creator, and the real world in general.

Re: My Story - Thank Gd 01 Oct 2015 23:50 #264999

Markz Current streak: 74 days OFFLINE Platinum Boarder Posts: 7751 Karma: 401	Hmm
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Re: SA for AS - Aspergers 02 Oct 2015 03:10 #265015

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markz wrote:

AE, Aspergers would often not care about relationships, so that's not an incentive.

)

My friend markz.
Aspergers do care about relationships, they are not aware of their feelings so they might think they are not interested in relationships,

Any desire or lust could drive an aspergers crazy because they are not aware about how they are being turned up or down, & then they just shoot off in despair

They have poor understanding to themselves which makes their challenges a lot more challenging,

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Re: SA for AS - Aspergers 02 Oct 2015 03:30 #265019

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AlexEliezer wrote:

It would seem to me that The Steps would be especially helpful for someone with AS. I say this because The Steps are there to guide the addict back into healthy relationships with himself, his family and social circle, his Creator, and the real world in general.

In my opinion aspergers should not use the 12 steps program as a tool to be more self understanding & create healthy relationships, it can make them really confused, & cause them to run into their cave,

They need someone who understands the mind & brain of an aspergers,
and someone who understands sensory integration disorders,

Sensory integration problems might be a big trigger for addicted aspie,
their sensory seeking behaviors are so overwhelming for them, because they are almost unable to understand their sensory urges or needs

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Re: SA for AS 02 Oct 2015 12:04 #265033

Markz Current streak: 74 days OFFLINE Platinum Boarder Posts: 7751 Karma: 401	Hi GC. I really appreciate your 2 points as they make a lot of sense to someone like me that has researched tons on the topic. I'm still waiting to hear about other solutions to the 12 steps.
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Re: SA for AS - Aspergers 02 Oct 2015 13:33 #265037

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markz wrote:

Hi GC. I really appreciate your 2 points as they make a lot of sense to someone like me that is both an Aspie and has also researched tons on the topic. I'm still waiting to hear about other solutions to the 12 steps.

I'm not negating them, as I have started them already.

GC forgive me for asking a highly personal question, but it's for the good of both of us to succeed on this forum. Are you aware of yourself having some Asperger traits?

Don't feel sorry to ask personal questions I'm perfectly fine with that,

Anyway I don't think I would be diagnosed as aspergers, but kibalty meraboisey that every person has some aspergers traits,

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Re: SA for AS - Aspergers 02 Oct 2015 16:13 #265057

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markz wrote:

So if you started the 12 step program how does it work for you?
I would love to hear that my opinion was totally wrong,

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Last Edit: 02 Oct 2015 16:47 by Gettingcloser.

Re: My Story - Thank Gd 09 Oct 2015 01:38 #265419

Markz Current streak: 74 days OFFLINE Platinum Boarder Posts: 7751 Karma: 401	Gettin closer I Hope to get back to you about this soon
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Re: My Story - Thank Gd 22 Oct 2015 12:52 #266632

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Being in touch with my feelings is often difficult, and therefore knowing what's the best solution can be impossible some times. Eg SSA I thought was perhaps relevant to me, but it actually may not be, after a great guy 24 on this forum helped me try get in touch with the feelings.

Apparently I'm a non addict. So yes I started reading on the first step, but am currently not continuing, rather taking protective measures eg the 'good night device' calendar, and posting ~~too~~ much on the forum

All the best

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Re: SA for AS - Aspergers 22 Oct 2015 22:15 #266679

Gettingcloser Current streak: 28 days OFFLINE Senior Boarder Posts: 63 Karma: 1	Markz can you please explain what do you mean you are not a SA, Why did you think before getting the help from 1 of the members here that you were addicted? מעיקרא מאי קסבר ולבסוף מאי קסבר
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Re: My Story - Thank Gd 23 Oct 2015 02:06 #266689

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Gettingcloser wrote:

Markz can you please explain what do you mean you are not a SA,
Why did you think before getting the help from 1 of the members here that you were addicted?
מעיקרא מאי קסבר
ולבסוף מאי קסבר

All I can say is המבין יבין.

Listen guys - You know why I chose this blue smiley face truck?

'cos it's a great way to hide my identity.

This looks like an outgoing fellow, and Im not (sorry everyone)

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Re: My Story - Thank Gd 11 Nov 2015 06:08 #268383

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markz wrote:

This was coined by "Sci1977" on this page HERE last spotted on the forums on June 2 2011, though he racked up almost 900 post before the smartphone day
If you need more info give him a call

1- As an aspie writing my feelings can be a challenge
2- My signature is not for me, but for the visitor / friend / gabai, to encourage posting as much as possible
3- Perhaps you're the first guy to read my signature? I'm happy someone did

Thanks Markz for your reply i thought you might have been referring to journaling.
Some hold it is a powerful tool to just write down all your feelings.
keep up the good work !
By the way , signatures can tell about the person and his main struggles ; i do read them once in a while.Thanks again.

NA
That was interesting what you wrote - appreciate it

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Re: My Story 11 Nov 2015 21:29 #268430

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בס״ד An open letter to all the guys - including you!!
Here's my belated introduction and follow up

BH I have made many many friends on the forum - some via PMs and on occasion even with my real name (I almost forgot it)

Made it to 90 Days!!!

It would be unfair for me single out some names, when my appreciation for SO MANY OF YOU GUYS is just... I don't know how to express it - YOU GUYS ARE THE GREATEST!!
As an Aspie I'm not the greatest communicator - sometimes too sharp or too vague, and often say the wrong thing on the forum. I want to ask forgiveness to anyone I may have offended (and I know I have).

Once Upon A Time - Lust:
I had been fighting / struggling with Porn and M* from my teen years age 14 or 15. First with magazines, then more recently with web accessible devices. I was never addicted to chase after this, but my struggle was unbearable. I could never defeat the temptation when it arose

Who cares?
After falls I would feel terrible, or something bad would happen to me / my kid... (Like someone else on this forum experiences too). For a struggler like me the best thing is that bad feeling and the fear of repercussion. Its THE only thing that got me onto gye.com, and I read other people's posts that have mentioned the same. It's what pushes us to try the next tool of the many offered (Pls click on my signature)

Prophecy to fools:
14 months ago October 2014 - The end of Aseres Yemei Tshuva 5775, I was walking to shul and passed a snake on the road that had been driven over by a car (no of course a truck!).
What went through my mind? 10 days is possibly a reflection for the coming year, and this dead snake was signifying that the YH is gonna be dead at the end of the year. I had this premonition, but I didn't have a clue what it was about.
Zoom forward to August 2015 - the end of the year 5775, Three months ago - and it happened. Screeeeeeeecccchhhh YH DEAD!!
I found GYE!!!
No, don't worry, I'm not dead, my YH is alive and kicking, but the struggle is totally under control with the following tools.

Gd knows what's truly going on, but these are the tools I noticed on my ride

My Tools

1) The Forum
I put this one first because I feel that has been the greatest game changer for me.
My mindset has totally morphed, to view women as people - it's incredible.
Today I heared a cute girl at work laugh. That would have been a turn on previously. Now I heard someone laugh, and I'm happy for them that they don't need to stress the whole day...

And I believe it's because of
1- Reading and thanking Many Many terrific poster's ramblings
2- My posting too much...
Posting 7 or 8 posts a day
I feel a sense of responsibility to share my advice / experience to other posts, and also to keep the humor section fresh (it really pains me that almost no one regularly posts there besides for myself and the צדיק peloni almoni. Is everyone in the bar-ditch-ev?)

2) Restrictions
a- Time: Good nite device calendar
b- YouTube: Only access for work purposes
c- Devices
PC: Web Monitoring program or whitelist, (filtering is irrelevant, as I have overridden every regular filter and perhaps you too).
Mobile Devices: Mobile phone Locked AppStore, and active legitimate apps only (eg no skype and wattsapp. If you ask me to explain why, you'll be risking having to remove them too)

3) Get a Life
a- Exercise twice weekly
b- Keep busy. Being productive in my work, learning a few Jewish words when possible. Spend time with the wife. Posting on the forum. Breathe...
My time management sucks - like a regular aspie. I don't learn, daven at all like I should. I always feel pressured to put overtime into my work... Yeah I hope to discuss this with my therapist (A great one - a woman - not Jewish)

4) Aspie Therapy
I have regular sessions with an Asperger therapist, primarily to help me communicate with 'objects' - other people at work in shul... primarily my 'object' from Venus (my great wife).
I think this may have helped me too, to see 'objects' as people = social awareness etiquette and all the silly neurotypical stuff
For those asking what is Aspergers? Go to this link HERE

ברוב שבח והודאה להקב״ה
I want to repeat again to each and every one of you. First the Gevaldigge administrators, the unassuming Moderators, and all the boarders
Thank you for allowing me in, so I can grow, and for giving me the opportunity to also save at least one other Jewish brother once for one minute.

Hatzlacha to you on your journey

Mark

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Re: I'm an Aspie (neurotypicals are invited too) 11 Nov 2015 22:05 #268432

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Mazel Tov!!!! Kein Yirbu!!!

You've definitely made your MARK here!

!אנא עבדא דקודשא בריך הוא

וּבְיָדְךָ כֹּחַ וּגְבוּרָה וּבְיָדְךָ לְגַדֵּל וּלְחַזֵּק לַכֹּל

And every day that you want to waste, that you want to waste, you can
And every day that you want to wake up, that you want to wake, you can
And every day that you want to change, that you want to change, yeah
I'll help you see it through...

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"Sometimes a hard decision leads to an easier outcome."

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Re: I'm an Aspie (neurotypicals are invited too) 11 Nov 2015 23:07 #268439

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Congratulations Mark!

Much Hatzlacha!

My Threads:
Glad to be here
Don't slip it hurts
Lions & Tigers & Internet, Oh My!

--"ולא המדרש עיקר, אלא המעשה"
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--"If, when you honestly want to, you find you cannot quit entirely, or if when drinking (or lusting), you have little control over the amount you take, you are probably alcoholic (or sexaholic)." AA Big Book P. 45. Parenthesis added.
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Re: I'm an Aspie (neurotypicals are invited too) 12 Nov 2015 03:32 #268458

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Re: I'm an Aspie (neurotypicals are invited too) 12 Nov 2015 03:52 #268462

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Great job!
Continued hatzlachah.
If I would not have been cryin' anyway, I would cry for joy for you.

Keep usin' dem kochos of yours for the sake of your brethren.

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Re: I'm an Aspie (neurotypicals are invited too) 12 Nov 2015 04:10 #268463

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Re: Aspie - pls read my Nov 11 share at end of page 1 12 Nov 2015 19:08 #268492

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Re: Aspie - pls read my Nov 11 share at end of page 1 12 Nov 2015 21:48 #268503

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Re: My Story - Thank Gd 15 Nov 2015 20:16 #268658

Markz Current streak: 74 days OFFLINE Platinum Boarder Posts: 7751 Karma: 401	I just want to note - one 'tool' I left out I have regular sessions with a therapist, primarily to help me communicate with 'objects', primarily 'objects' from Venus (my great wife). I think this may have helped me too, to see 'objects' as people = social awareness etiquette and all the silly neurotypical stuff
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Re: Aspie - pls read my Nov 11 share at end of page 1 15 Nov 2015 20:24 #268660

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markz wrote:

On occasion of my 90th birth DAY mom got me a yummy tzummy - actually was GS's idea last nite. Although I didn't have time to send him a new diaper back.

I just wanted to note - especially as another Aspie asked me to note my journey - one 'tool' I left out

I have regular sessions with an Asperger therapist, primarily to help me communicate with 'objects', primarily 'objects' from Venus (my great wife).
I think this may have helped me too, to see 'objects' as people = social awareness etiquette and all the silly neurotypical stuff

seriously? mom got it for you? doesn't seem like something he would do.

Re: My Story - Thank Gd 25 Nov 2015 11:48 #269618

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goodchange613 wrote:

day 70!
had a slip the other day but otherwise doin great. really working on my marriage and it's like magic how just changing my attitude and how i just work on my actions and the effect it has had so far, i still have a ways to go but it's been a great start.

Here's are the details of what I've been doing:
1)First I just started with eye contact. Once I focused on it I realized how little eye contact I had been having with her before that. This made me feel a little more connected to her and helped me really focus on what she says.

2)Started sending thank you texts almost every day for something she did the day before.

3)I really worked on using "I Love you" much more often from texts or calls during the day and then progressing to saying it to her every time i leave the house...

I posted this great share of my friend GC613 here, because it may play into this, but it might be relevant to others too.

1) I didn't make much eye contact. This is a very common trait... plays out with my wife...

2) "thank you texts" I need to work on more

3) "I really worked on using "I Love you" much more often from texts or calls during the day".
This is something I did NOT do, primarily during nidda times, excusing it as a religious thing not to be too sexual during that period - how crazy can us lusters get!!

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Re: My Story 25 Nov 2015 20:09 #269659

goodchange613 Current streak: 16 days OFFLINE Expert Boarder Posts: 98 Karma: 9	oh wow, i think this is my first time being quoted!

Re: My Story 25 Nov 2015 20:12 #269661

goodchange613 Current streak: 16 days OFFLINE Expert Boarder Posts: 98 Karma: 9	whats neuro's?

Re: My Story 25 Nov 2015 20:26 #269662

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Re: My Story 25 Nov 2015 21:22 #269679

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markz wrote:

goodchange613 wrote:

whats neuro's?

non aspies
What I call socialists (that require all human kind to abide by the rules and regulations of being social acceptable - see the link I put earlier)

As opposed to Marxists (that require all human kind to abide by the rules and regulations of Mark)

Re: My Story 25 Nov 2015 21:26 #269680

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Re: My Story 29 Nov 2015 19:46 #269875

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The following has to be included in the list of what has worked for me

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1) Extreme shmiras eynayim. This is the area over which we have the most control. This is also the area where we take frequent hits of the lust drug. So I don't look at women unless absolutely necessary. That means no movies, no TV, no magazines or newspapers (and of course no surfing news sites, etc). It doesn't make any difference if she's tznius or not. I can't look at her face. Not even ugly ones. I don't even check out my own wife. She's not my personal lust object (although she was). I do look at her face. Sounds extreme? That's the idea! I find that if my shmiras eynayim is good, everything else falls in to place. If I slip a little in this area, the battle is back on. I also didn't let myself be alone with a computer.

2) Shmiras hamachshava (guarding my thoughts). Fantasies and mental images were a major challenge for me (still can be at times). This is actually how I knew there was something wrong with me. I would have the sickest thoughts at the most inappropriate times. What works for me in this area is immediate deflection with tefilla. As soon as I detect a fantasy or image trying to take a seat in my mind, I immediately start davening

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Re: My Story 29 Nov 2015 23:09 #269880

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Why am I so adamant about bumping the "Just having fun" Section?

There's nothing like quoting myself
markz wrote:

I got an email one of the guys was makin a comment about humor. So I want to set it straight.

דברה תורה כנגד יצהר. How do we deal with the YH?
כי בשמחה תצאו!!!

How do we encourage our YH to stick to this great website? By makin it fun

Yeah, go be serious. Tell the YH "oy ye yoy ye yoy du sheigetz baal aveira, baal taiva..."
See where that gets you. Your 18 wheeler might leave fat skid marks somewhere... I don't wanna think what may happen with ye.

Ever since I accidentally joined this astounding website I have not had a depressin' moment - my addiction has been emptied from my tank and the YH hasn't had any opportunity to depress me thru sins, and one of the tools is a spoonful of

.

There was never a moment where we joked about lustin. We were talking to our YH that wants to do those things mentioned above, and it was also meant in all seriousness

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It gets borin' sometimes truckin' for miles - and this is how we keep ourselves awake when we run out of tea an' cofee.
Any other ideas to stay awake? Keep postin'

And of course my good friend peloni almoni I have to quote

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Re: My Story 13 Dec 2015 14:03 #271147

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On my travel through recovery, these are the perceptions I experienced about
a) myself
b) about others

1) WRONG ROAD
I was a Luster
What was going on? My life was out of control. Nothing major - just killing the nights on youtube... P and M through the AM hours
a) I said then to myself "Maybe other guys also do P & M, but no-one like me. I'm the only one that does such crazy things. I don't believe anyone in the world can help me. I'll just have to rot for the rest of my life"
b) I said then about others "Many people that shmooze with girls / women even in business setting etc are possibly lusting after her. I cannot at all understand how it's possible for Men to head or teach girls schools or seminaries and interact with the girls"

2) ABOUT TURN
I discovered gye by the grace of G-D
a) I said then about myself "OMG other guys also do P & M... like me. I'm not the only one that does such crazy things"
b) My view about others wasn't changed, moreover I may have subconciously said "This proves to me - that my view about others when I was on the wrong road was true"

3) THE TRUCKING HIGHWAY - MILE ONE from 1-89 days
a) I said then about myself "OMG other guys also lust. Some exactly like me. But this is interesting - not everyone is like me. Some guys struggle with youtube, some with skype, some with fantasizing, some with alcohol, some with ssa, and many more" (this may expain why some of us try to put each user into a box - this guy is an addict, this guy not... which is not productive)
b) My view about others lusting wasn't changed, yet.

4) THE TRUCKING HIGHWAY - MILE TWO from 90 days till today
a) I say about myself "Other guys have their struggle - mine isn't such a tough one. G-d with his shliach Gye have helped me considerably. My life is looking up!!"
b) My view about others "Most people in the world probably do NOT lust, and I can believe that, because ever since I joined gye, I can often stand in the shoes of the people in the world - talking to a woman without fantasizing. My sobriety proved to me - that my view about others when I was on the wrong road was dead w r o n g"

So KOT

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Re: My Story 16 Dec 2015 00:59 #271463

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markz wrote:

[b]

4) THE TRUCKING HIGHWAY - MILE TWO from 90 days till today
a) I say about myself "Other guys have their struggle - mine isn't such a tough one. G-d with his shliach Gye have helped me considerably. My life is looking up!!"
b) My view about others "Most people in the world probably do NOT lust, and I can believe that, because ever since I joined gye, I can often stand in the shoes of the people in the world - talking to a woman without fantasizing. My sobriety proved to me - that my view about others when I was on the wrong road was dead w r o n g"

According to this perspective what is then the source of our addiction? Why are some people addicted and others not? These people, who you assume can talk to a woman without fantasizing, I can't imagine the 12 steps just came naturally to them. So what's their secret?

Unless you know otherwise I would actually disagree with your premise. Chaza"l say that "Gezel v'Arayos nafsho shel odom mechamdton" (translated: lust for money and sex are innate to the human soul). That seems to imply that everyone has a "chimud" for arayos. I think this is called "lust", no?

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1 day may be too long for me, but I take it OWAAT = One wave at a time, cause the lust comes and goes like a wave which rises and crashes.

Re: My Story 16 Dec 2015 01:16 #271467

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Re: My Story / Aspie 20 Dec 2015 18:58 #271877

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gibbor120 wrote:

Or perhaps, let's make it a bit different. Someone is chronically depressed and eventually takes his own life.

1- I am saddened to hear such a story
2- I can relate to what the guy did
If someone has issue with this - shout at me on my aspie thread

Mark, a number of people on this forum have flirted with the S word (and the D word), but hopefully we recognize at least intellectually why it's an illogical, counter-productive idea. So am I misunderstanding something - to what extent do you relate to this fictitious guy?
Oh, I didn't shout at you yet - WDH are you thinking?

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Re: My Story - Thank Gd 20 Dec 2015 20:04 #271887

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Eslaasos, a number of people on this forum have flirted with the P word (and the M word), but hopefully we recognize at least intellectually why it's an illogical, counter-productive idea

In case you didn't notice, that was quite an interesting way of replying - I think

I mentioned to Dov - I think the reason his posts are so long is that he's a very typical kind of guy

We need some respect and understanding on the forums
If someone lusts it doesn't help to say. don't!
If we sympathize we can accomplish a lot more. That's what I was doing with our friend
S is damn wrong... but just shouting is not how we change someone from doing it

Also the communication sometimes needs to be different
Very often, getting emotional or shouting = 0

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Re: My Story / Asperger 21 Dec 2015 15:57 #271944

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Mark, I just saw your reply because for some reason the notification of your reply went to my spam folder, maybe it was the shouting that did it.

First off, I apologize if my shouting offended, I was only responding to your original request.

Personally, after I was already on the way to recovery my Rav drew a line in the sand for me that some words are not on the table, and maybe that makes me somewhat sensitive.
So I'll try to say it softer, but I still don't understand the need to relate to this fictitious guy.
Nu nu, I don't have to understand everything.

Joking and insulting aside, I have often thought there is a suicidal tendency to the decision making process of habitual lusters (staying away form the A word to avoid the M word machlokes). Maybe that's why we talk about recovery as living real life. I think this is true for me but it hasn't gotten me anywhere beyond making the observation. Any thoughts?

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Re: My Story - Thank Gd 22 Dec 2015 03:37 #272006

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Your observations are always precious

Shouting isn't offensive, it just often getting emotional goes right over my head

I don't have S tendencies, but depression does hit sometimes. Especially around kabalas shabbos time for 1/2hr.

If I'd speak absolute bluntly, I'd say "S"? Are you out of your mind?????

But the first response is really to emphasise, even with a guy that is out of his mind לכל הדעות

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Re: My Story / Asperger 22 Dec 2015 03:40 #272008

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Re: My Story / Asperger 22 Dec 2015 03:51 #272009

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I wish I knew

What I think is that Asperger folks get overloaded by multitasking and stressors etc...
And erev Shabbos is a very good day to make aspies crazy

I have on rare occasion come to shul 1/2hr before mincha, and it's been a better experience. I'm trying to work on it, but this is one thing aspergers suffer with - time management or rather lack of.
I had some family input to get me to my chupa on time :-), although virtually no one in my family knows the term 'As'

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Re: My Story / Asperger 30 Dec 2015 17:15 #272843

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Re: My Story / Asperger 30 Dec 2015 23:27 #272885

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Re: My Story / Asperger 30 Dec 2015 23:32 #272886

Markz Current streak: 74 days OFFLINE Platinum Boarder Posts: 7751 Karma: 401	eslaasos wrote: And in a week or two you're going to overtake him in number of posts. OK, maybe a month or two. Some guys just don't have a clue what forum they are in Warning: Spoiler! eslaasos in case you nobody told you - this isn't the having fun section, you're supposed to be serious here
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Re: My Story / Asperger 31 Dec 2015 03:01 #272929

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markz wrote:

eslaasos wrote:

And in a week or two you're going to overtake him in number of posts. OK, maybe a month or two.

Some guys just don't have a clue what forum they are in

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i hope you aren't joking. the "just having fun" section is dedicated to humor but it doesn't mean that levity isn't allowed everywhere else. but it's your own thread so to each their own i guess. if you weren't serious then i apologize for being choished you.

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Re: My Story / Asperger 05 Jan 2016 20:56 #273446

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Re: My Story / Asperger 20 Jan 2016 18:33 #275011

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doingtshuva wrote:

pischoshelmachat wrote:

Mazel Tov MarkZ on reaching the Wall of Honour

Markz it's time to update your chart?
isn't it red by now?

Thank you guys...
I actually wasn't very interested in the 90 day thing in the first place, at least it wasn't my priority and not a tool

I believe in ODAAT, but if it's a help to anyone that I display some sorta count then I'm honored to do so

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I've been dealing with lots of stress recently which may be the cause of fleeting split second lustful moments
My trucking tools on page one are BH well in check and recently passed the 150 mile / day "Mark"er

Hatzlacha!!

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Re: My Story / Asperger 24 Jan 2016 20:54 #275347

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the.guard wrote:

hopeful wrote:

I don't know how much more times I can try to bounce back from a fall

If what we're doing until now isn't working, maybe it's time to try something new.

Have you considered joining our 12-Step phone groups? The TaPHSiC method? Therapy? Live Groups? There's no excuse... there is always more we can try. This is what we came down to the world. There's no giving up in this game!

I think the reason why the.one.and.only.guard says that there is no excuse is because in my extensive reading the forums, there hasn't been one instance of failure for anyone that had a little determination

All the guys that are still acting out, is due to lack of owning their part, and DOING SOMETHING to better their life, if it means posting on the forums, or SA meetings, or a partner, or Therapy, or lots more...
(For some of us, replace "or", with "and")

My personal tools are not the most powerful, and although I'm very shy, nevertheless if what I am doing wasnt helping me and I had to open up to a real person, I'd do it today, rather than living a dishonest religious life

All it takes is 'naaseh' and you'll 'hear' your engines fire away on the Heilige Trucking highway

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Re: My Story / Asperger 24 Jan 2016 21:20 #275350

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markz wrote:

the.guard wrote:

hopeful wrote:

I don't know how much more times I can try to bounce back from a fall

Markz, if I may embarrass you with a compliment or two, first, I've personally found your tools and your whole approach very helpful.

Second, you say you're shy and not a communicator, but I find that you are one of the most upbeat and helpful people on the forums.

Re: My Story / Asperger 25 Jan 2016 01:15 #275372

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Workingguy wrote:

markz wrote:

the.guard wrote:

hopeful wrote:

I don't know how much more times I can try to bounce back from a fall

You have my vote as well

Im still cracking up on the roach spray post
(What the heck IS in there )

Re: My Story / Asperger 27 Jan 2016 19:23 #275658

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This week we got a new computer at home

How things have changed!!!

I rely on CovenantEyes reporting system

Previously when I'd get a new device I would first inaugurate it with all filth possible, and then, a day later when I had enough "fun", I'd delete the history, install CE and it was back kosher. And my partner thinks I'm kosher, and so do I! hah!

But on my gye truck I learnt things are different!

I stopped objectifying things (See "The Women Object" in "Free Towing" below)

Today, I see my computer just as a regular human being. It has moods, can get sick, viruses... It can be slow, or crash like we all do... I don't sexualize it anymore ;-)

So right away without much ado I installed CE, although as mentioned previously my other tools are what are keeping me in check, and only have CE as a backup

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Re: My Story / Asperger 27 Jan 2016 20:04 #275662

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markz wrote:

Today, I see my computer just as a regular human being. It has moods, can get sick, viruses... It can be slow, or crash like we all do... I don't sexualize it anymore ;-)

Somehow, it gets "sick" with viruses less often if we don't use it for porn...

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Re: My Story / Asperger 27 Jan 2016 20:08 #275663

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Very nice.

I view humans as computers. I turn them on, they turn me on. I view them through a window. I have favorites. I use tools. When they are tired and slow, I need to refresh them. Sometimes I think an add-on would be beneficial. They may get heated up when used a lot. There is a choice to run, however. But like husband and wife, they cannot function alone.

Re: My Story / Asperger 28 Jan 2016 01:13 #275737

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Re: My Story / Asperger 28 Jan 2016 01:20 #275741

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Re: My Story / Asperger 22 Feb 2016 02:52 #278676

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With Gd by my side Im still sober, and NOT dry drunk either
Guys - Things haven't changed much since page 1, and nor has your support, which I appreciate to no end!

2000 posts!
Wow!
Maybe it would be advisable to retire now peacefully

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On this auspicious occassion, I am accepting on myself bln to upgrade my eye 'guard' for the next month - not to google search images, even though I keep the 1 second rule, and even though my good YH says I should continue for the sake of GYE, the wise sage that he is...

We gotta just
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Re: My Story / Asperger 02 Mar 2016 14:46 #279932

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Re: My Story / Asperger 09 Mar 2016 16:02 #280825

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Workingguy wrote:

markz wrote:

I take offense that you consider me not a real person, you're seriously compelling me to dispel any notions and come onto your call tomorrow

Warning: Spoiler!

I still need another few days / weeks, and I'm concerned the most that I'm not ready for the group conversation even if I feel like some of you guys are like my brother. I'm almost ready to pickup the phone and call you or Yesod personally...

Hey! Cordnoy is one of the Roshei Yeshiva, but how did Yesod get the zechus for a possible phone call from one of the gedolei haforum? (Yesod, I'm jealous but it's קנאת סופרים)

I am having a very hard time because I am being tempted more and more to pick up the phone and call a couple of you guys but since I'm a ~~mild~~ aspie, and concerned I'll say the wrong thing in a group setting - I have decided not to come onto the group call

Speaking OGAAT?

1guyatatime I'm gonna seriously consider - but someone needs to give me compelling reason to

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Re: My Story / Asperger 09 Mar 2016 21:49 #280871

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Re: Aspie - pls read my Nov 11 share at end of page 1 10 Mar 2016 17:25 #280969

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Yesod wrote on 12 Nov 2015 19:08:

Mark have you been karming me?

I get these karmas and i have no clue from who and i suspect ive been marked.

am i going to be recieving a bill from you?

You know, i've actually thought about opening a false account just to up my karma. Pretty pathetic, no?

But i decieded that i did'nt need to add con-artist (which i'm pretty good at - if not for that annoying conscience) to my list of addictions.

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Re: My Story / Asperger 10 Mar 2016 17:31 #280971

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cordnoy wrote on 11 Mar 2016 11:20:

markz wrote on 11 Mar 2016 03:09:

Shteeble!

I hope you're doing well!!

I get a Mazel Tov - spoke to a great trucker on the forum today - a first for me

Did you recieve the exclusive invitation yet?

That indeed is worthy of a Mazel tov.
How was it?

I hooked up with Yesod. Sounds like a nice guy - more than on in the written word
I think it helped to have a mindset that I'm a normal guy talking another normal guy - which is the reality

Im always hesitant making conversations which isn't my biggest strength. The floor is open if anyone wants to call me I'm happy to say hi, just email me markzgye@gmail.com send me your real first name and guess my real first name and your phone number

Sponsorship? That takes a long term commitment and I don't think it's my calling

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Re: My Story / Asperger 13 Mar 2016 04:52 #281145

Yesod OFFLINE Platinum Boarder Posts: 827 Karma: 78	Markz sounds alot stranger on the forum than on the phone. Get over it markz, you're not that special.

Re: My Story / Asperger 13 Mar 2016 05:31 #281148

Workingguy OFFLINE Platinum Boarder Posts: 1150 Karma: 139	Yesod wrote on 13 Mar 2016 04:52: Markz sounds alot stranger on the forum than on the phone. Get over it markz, you're not that special. He is pretty special, on the forum at least. Very funny, upbeat, encouraging but occasionally sharp, finds amazing images, emojis, gif's and all sorts of other things that really brighten this place up!

Re: My Story / Asperger 13 Mar 2016 05:59 #281149

Yesod OFFLINE Platinum Boarder Posts: 827 Karma: 78	There is only one Markz and he is pretty special, but fairly normal nonetheless

Re: My Story / Asperger 13 Mar 2016 06:17 #281150

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Re: My Story / Asperger 25 Mar 2016 20:11 #282521

Markz Current streak: 74 days OFFLINE Platinum Boarder Posts: 7751 Karma: 401	Purim Night my mind kept going back to this passuk וּבְכָל־י֣וֹם וָי֔וֹם מָרְדֳּכַי֙ מִתְהַלֵּ֔ךְ לִפְנֵ֖י חֲצַ֣ר בֵּית־הַנָּשִׁ֑ים So I'm not an addict - just plain messed up
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markz wrote on 25 Mar 2016 20:11:

Purim Night my mind kept going back to this passuk

וּבְכָל־י֣וֹם וָי֔וֹם מָרְדֳּכַי֙ מִתְהַלֵּ֔ךְ לִפְנֵ֖י חֲצַ֣ר בֵּית־הַנָּשִׁ֑ים

So I'm not an addict - just plain messed up

Loda'as mah "zeh" v'al mah "zeh."

"Zeh" bigimatria 12.

Re: My Story / Asperger 25 Mar 2016 20:22 #282524

Markz Current streak: 74 days OFFLINE Platinum Boarder Posts: 7751 Karma: 401	Cord' - that's one of the deepest mystical posts probably in the entire worldwide web!!! Translated to English What is this 12 thing? And why this 12 thing? If you worked the 12 thing would that clear your mind of thinking about that passuk? I wasn't obsessed about it, just a little thought that popped back a few times, to no consequence
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markz wrote on 25 Mar 2016 20:22:

Cord' - that's one of the deepest mystical posts probably in the entire worldwide web!!!

Translated to English
What is this 12 thing?
And why this 12 thing?

If you worked the 12 thing would that clear your mind of thinking about that passuk?
I wasn't obsessed about it, just a little thought that popped back a few times, to no consequence

I'm not smart enough to know the answer to that question, but perhaps....

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cordnoy wrote on 25 Mar 2016 20:29:

markz wrote on 25 Mar 2016 20:22:

I'm not smart enough to know the answer to that question, but perhaps....

this is the actual pasuk -
ובכל יום ויום מרדכי מתהלך לפני חצר בית הנשים לדעת את שלום אסתר ומה יעשה בה

now it is true that the last 3 letters in the pasuk still add up to 12. and the rashei teivos of the last two words in the pasuk also add up to 12, and if want to don our streimels and darshan, there is a lot more purim torah to say.
however, allow me, לכבוד reb mark to share a thought on this pasuk.
the malbim and others point out that mordechai's going לפני חצר בית הנשים was because he feared for esther's life, that she would either be killed as a מורד for not divulging her nationality, or something similar, but the targum adds an eye-opening nuance:
ובכל יומא ויומא מרדכי הוה מצלי, ואזל קדם דרתא די בבית נשיא למידע ית שלמא דאסתר
everyday mordechai "would daven", and he would walk "in front of the gate which was at the harem"
so 2 things:
1. life threatening though it was, mordechai only went in front of the outer gate to try to glean information about esther
2. he davened first.

we can ask, however, that how does the targum know that mordechai davened before going - it does not say so in the pasuk - all it says is that everyday mordechai went. perhaps a peirush can be that it is pashut that before going anywhere where there is a chance for the yeitzer to strike, even if you are mordechai, and even if you are going for pikuach nefesh of klal yisrael, and even just to the outer gate, you need to daven for siyata dishmaya to be saved.
so the next time this pasuk comes up, one can remind himself that the targum says mordechai davened before going, and perhaps a quick tefilla for recovery and help would do all of us some good.

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Yikes!
I had the לדעת right, but I screwed up the next. I was off by two פרקים.
Thanks for takin' it easy on me.

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cordnoy wrote on 25 Mar 2016 21:54:

Yikes!
I had the לדעת right, but I screwed up the next. I was off by two פרקים.

i was דן לכף זכות that you wrote it while drunk. (all that talk about 12 steps)
על זה נאמר: עד דלא ידע

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peloni almoni wrote on 25 Mar 2016 21:31:

cordnoy wrote on 25 Mar 2016 20:29:

markz wrote on 25 Mar 2016 20:22:

I'm not smart enough to know the answer to that question, but perhaps....

I am not sure that מצלי in that context means to daven.....does someone say that?

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?? that is what it always means

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markz wrote on 27 Mar 2016 01:59:

www.hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=48327&st=&pgnum=34

See the last line

unnecessary. but thanks all the same.

i would show my hakaras hatov to mark by wearing this:

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I thought it might have a different meanin', but the only place in Shas (I think, but then again, i haven't been battin' too good lately, and especially on this thread) is Brachos 26, where there it clearly means to daven, and with Mark's mareh makom as well, I will put this baby to rest. I always liked the vort. Thank you

Re: My Story / Asperger 27 Mar 2016 04:00 #282602

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cordnoy wrote on 27 Mar 2016 03:38:

brachos 13, 17, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30 ....
bava basra 10b
yoma 53b
nidda 14a
eruvin 65a
rosh hashana 35a
sota 33a
chagiga 11b
suka 41b
shabbos 30b
moed katan 28a
taanis 13b
kesuvos 67b

... i am sure there are others.
cords!!!! i missed you soooo much. it's good to be back.

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oh i forgot brachos 6b and 7a.

Re: My Story / Asperger 27 Mar 2016 04:11 #282605

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I was referrin' to מצלי ואזיל.
Perhaps some of your places say that as well, but not in the four that i checked.

sounds like you're excited though; that's good.
We're glad to have you back.

Re: My Story / Asperger 27 Mar 2016 04:13 #282607

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cordnoy wrote on 27 Mar 2016 04:11:

I was referrin' to מצלי ואזיל.

thank god. you had me scared.

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Re: My Story / Asperger 30 Mar 2016 16:47 #282968

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Guys - here's why I appreciate the.guard's forum and YOU!

When I started gye הטהור more than half a year ago I asked the following question "I've been wondering if people with mild aspergers are more vulnerable to the lure of pornography"

I quoted from "Asperger Syndrome and Sexuality".
The gist of that article was that lust can be caused from the aspect of relationship, where aspie young adults are often immature (although they may be interested in sex and dating at the same time as their peers).

The.guard sent me a great parenting handbook. Yesterday I found something interesting there (pg 20)

"Researchers describe four pre- existing conditions that put an individual at high risk for getting into trouble on the Internet.
1- They are lack of family bonds;
2- low self-esteem;
3- inability to express opinions and questions;
4- inability to socialize"

If this is true, it puts all Aspergers that often have all 4 conditions, in a very tough predicament - high risk for getting into trouble on the Internet

I want to focus on the last point and quote rabbi keleman from further in that Handbook

4. Inability to Socialize:
Data indicate that many who turn to the internet for pornography or social contact do so because they consistently fail to succeed socially in their own world.First, there are the socially inept. These are individuals who never mastered how to get along with others. When they were young, they often studied straight through recess or preferred playing computer games or doing other solitary activities. In some cases, they wanted to play with everyone else but were excluded. In their pre-teens or even earlier, these children were joining the ranks of the “at-risk” for later internet involvement."

OTR quoted yesterday the following that
"The opposite of addiction is not sobriety.
The opposite of addiction is connection.
And our whole society, the engine of our society, is geared towards making us connect with things not people"

'gettingcloser' said correctly on page 1 that "Aspergers do care about relationships". But they lack social skills and therefore are often without close friends, as I experienced. I have many relatives, but none close.

Today I feel a close friendship with many guys on guardyoureyes without mentioning all the countless חברים!
Even with you Dov, who can't believe that an anonymous relationship for someone on gye is considered a real relationship (as it is for me)

I feel that this could be a Major part of my sobriety - the.guard took my "inability to socialize" and created a socializing forum, which it alone could be why my lust overdrive has crashed.

It's still spluttering - relax, ok?

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Mark, great point. Maybe this new skill can be transferred to face-to-face relationships as well? I know nothing about Asperger's so I may be off-base, but just speaking from my experience, I have found that I learnt new skills in the safe anonymity of the forum which I have then been able to apply in real life as well.

Think how life would be if you weren't addicted to GYE...less fun for everyone else, of course.

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Re: My Story / NON Asperger 03 Apr 2016 23:17 #283409

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Re: My Story / Asperger 03 Apr 2016 23:30 #283412

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markz wrote on 03 Apr 2016 23:17:

I have formerly handed in my resignation from the league of Aspies
I HAVE GRADUATED

I have morphed into a regular Neurotypical guy on the street

See ye all later

Warning: Spoiler!

i saw this coming a mile away
you know, mark, remind me never to become enemies with you. because you do not forgive and forget easy.

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Yesod wrote on 03 Apr 2016 23:30:

Prove it

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peloni almoni wrote:

markz wrote:

I have formerly handed in my resignation from the league of Aspies
I HAVE GRADUATED

I have morphed into a regular Neurotypical guy on the street

See ye all later

Warning: Spoiler!

i saw this coming a mile away
you know, mark, remind me never to become enemies with you. because you do not forgive and forget easy.

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Re: My Story / Asperger 08 Apr 2016 13:57 #284013

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Why is my day count on 90?
I wanted to share what I dscs'd this morning on the chat with Guideme, which verified my thought process, and feel free to respond to this post if you like

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GuideMe:  BTW, why is alwais says your'e on 90 days?
Me:  I didn't update it 150 days ago, cos i like constantly gettin Mazel tovs
GuideMe:  Mazel tov mark!!!
Me:  Real reason?
Me:  I have a feeling when newcomers see someone is on 2500 days (as there are some great guys like that here), they think - oh cool, he doesn't struggle, I'll talk to someone else, and I want them to be comfortable talking to me [ed. stupid idea]
GuideMe:  It's an interesting thought
Me:  Debatable...
GuideMe:  i think it's also sacry. talk to a guy with billion days
Me:  Why
GuideMe:  cuz it's like: oh, he dosen't care about me - he is so importent.
Me:  You're not explaining it right. What bothers you?
GuideMe:  i guess it's hard for me to fully express myself in English
Me:  Write it in Spanish או בעברית - אני מעוניין לדעת
GuideMe:  גם בעברית קשה להסביר

שאדם ותיק, הוא כאילו חשוב. אי אפשר "סתם" להטריד אותוi can't just call him and say "Hi! my mom pissed me off so i need to talk to someone"
Me: אבל הוא ממציא עצמו לך
GuideMe: but Dov is super nice guy

. sure, but still. it's Probably lack of self confidence or something
Me: I hear you a little...

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Mazel Tov!!!!

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markz wrote on 03 Apr 2016 23:17:

I have formerly handed in my resignation from the league of Aspies
I HAVE GRADUATED

I have morphed into a regular Neurotypical guy on the street

See ye all later

Warning: Spoiler!

you monster!!! you broke this poor girl's heart!

Re: My Story / NON Asperger 10 Apr 2016 23:01 #284226

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markz wrote on 08 Apr 2016 14:04:

. sure, but still. it's Probably lack of self confidence or something
Me: I hear you a little...

Mazel tov!!!

I actually think that GM makes a lot of sense. It Can be intimidating. Sure people are nice, but many of us feel so stupid and ashamed at ourselves after a fall, we don't know how we gave in Again, and we imagine that everyone else will judge us for it. Only someone else suffering from the same insane cravings can really understand. Now, it's true that many people with high clean counts still understand or feel those struggles, but when those high numbers are staring you in the face, you kindof feel that they are beyond all that garbage and are on to bigger and better things.

Re: My Story / Asperger 11 Apr 2016 14:42 #284294

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markz wrote on 11 Apr 2016 14:42:

And I think you may not fully appreciate "One day at a time", because that's all the big truckers have

NOTHING MORE THAN ONE DAY

Theres a famous AA saying
""The man I once was drank, The man I once was will drink again."

Therefore I ask please - the man amongst us that has been reborn entirely after 90 with no lust "attacks", would he kindly step forward please...

True, however you're jumping to tbe extreme. "...the man amongst us that has been reborn entirely after 90 with no lust "attacks",..." no one is reborn again, but i think most will say that things do get easier with time. Not sayn that the cravings are weaker, but we get more used to controling our day to remain clean. When you're not always slipping to the edge, the falls with all of the struggles move further back in the mind.
Odaat is great for planning ahead, but i don't see how it's helpful lookin back.

Re: My Story / Asperger 18 Apr 2016 07:14 #284966

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Why don't you just read 'em first, and then decide how and if you're gonna blog about the 'dumb' parts?

Re: My Story (Mild Asperger) 28 Apr 2016 12:05 #286072

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cordnoy wrote on 28 Apr 2016 03:48:

Why don't you just read 'em first, and then decide how and if you're gonna blog about the 'dumb' parts?

As PA said

I don't understand either, but that's the way I am...

The 'dumb' parts was primarily re; the handbook, but if there's any in the whitebook, I'd note them too

Take for example the current dropdown that predominantly features "Taphsic"
I guess the dropdown order was based on the level of the sexaholic struggle (as per the Initial Evaluation page), but I have yet to hear of substantial long-term success with it
1 or 2 users is great, but not reason to give it much weight

IMHO, the impression that some member get from GYE regarding Taphsic, is misleading
Gye 'policy' is 'live and let live', i.e. Put tools out there, and let people try them, and if they don't work move to the next.
BUT they think the following "If gye recommended it, it must be a viable tool, so i'll try it, and try it, and try it again"
Little do they know that it's only recommended to a very very very small segment of the population
Therefore I believe it can be offered as an option, but without all the great pomp and fanfare, and should be moved off the dropdown

If there's a mark-able long-term taphsic success rate (5%+), Ill be the first happy member to hear

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Re: My Story (Mild Asperger) 28 Apr 2016 12:43 #286073

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Hear ye, hear ye!
Wdf does yaakov know?
Gye has over 10,000 members (so they say) and I know of at least 7 of them that tried the taphsic method, and it didn't work!
So, as soon as I find the time to read the book, I will blog about the silliness of that recovery tool.
And just wait till I get started with that colorful book and all that church meeting surrender gibberish....who the Hell are they kidding? My posts are written already; I just need to read a page or two before it goes to print.

Re: My Story (Mild Asperger) 28 Apr 2016 12:53 #286074

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I don't really follow the last 2 posts if they were being sarcastic

What do you guys want

Im planning to read and comment on the Handbook and White book for myself and anyone that wants to follow

Someone else has a Mesilas Yesharim thead... Each to his own

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My comment regarding Taphsic has nothing to do with reading the handbook

I know where you both stand regarding recommending it for other members, it's never encouraged

Theorising where the other 9,500 other users is cool
They probably all use the "good night calendar" ROTFL

I made a fair comment, which has not sensibly been answered.

"Why is Taphsic featured in the dropdown"
What about "Exercise"

If there are other broadly practiced proven tools that can show there?

Simple question
Admin for sure knows more than I do

Does anyone have what to comment on what I wrote? Is it a fabrication that there are those who think the following "If gye recommended it, it must be a viable tool, so i'll try it, and try it, and try it again"

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Re: My Story (Mild Asperger) 28 Apr 2016 16:33 #286098

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Here is what you wrote:

The new thread will have critical notes of the 2 books. Primarily listing what pages we feel are beneficial, and critiquing ones that we feel are, how shall we say nicely - 'dumb'

It'll be open to the public, but you get a personal invite. Your posts today have given me a greater drive to get on with this, and I have a hunch may be beneficial to you

Let me know if youre interested joining me in this venture.

I am sorry, but a song by Elle comes to mind.

"Critical notes"!? And as an intro, you unequivocally state that you'll critique those pages that you feel are dumb. That is mighty haughty of you. And I apologize again, and this is being written here out of respect and because you invest so much time into your recovery and helping others and you are a great resource for those who are attempting to recover. It's like the 12th grader heading into the rosh yeshiva's shiur, posting a sign on the luach that he will be giving a nightly chaburah pointing out all the flaws in the rosh yeshiva's logic and mehalech in the sugya.

I only went thru the white book 8, 9 or 10 times, so I am no expert. Some things I don't like and I am not shy about it, but I don't give an intro to the call that I will be critiquing the book and demonstrating where their vision or direction is stupid and dumb.

My apologies again. Please write what you feel. That is what a forum is about. We all have our recovery and sobriety in mind, and of course the recovery and sobriety of all of klal yisroel.

Yasherkoach for all that you do.
You help many, and may that be a zechus for you and your family.

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Re: My Story - Aspergers 28 Apr 2016 17:13 #286105

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I'm going to keep my little head out from between the mountains here, but I just wanted to point out that in the context in which it was used, "critical" and "criticizing" do not mean the same thing.

Re: My Story - Aspergers 30 Apr 2016 20:49 #286145

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Re: My Story - Aspergers 02 May 2016 21:54 #286368

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Regarding the White book, I don't remember any details from the book, but it was an eye-opener and very helpful for me vis-a-vis lusting for my wife.

Regarding the Taphsic, I believe is a גאון'ישע כאפ

You wrote במקו"א:

This is a stress free knas based prevention idea (unlike Taphsic which only serves for emergency lust attacks)

A Taphsic by any other name seems to be a Taphsic,
and I don't know why you say it's for emergencies.
לא ירדתי לסוף דעתך

What's there not to work about a Taphsic? (Of course, without an attitude change and other tools you may go crazy, just like white knuckling.., but if i may add כמו שכתבתי במקו"א that after I made a taphsic, psychologically, for many months, those behaviors were totally off limits for me.)

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cordnoy wrote on 28 Apr 2016 16:33:

wrong singer.

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Re: My Story (Mild Asperger) 09 May 2016 18:31 #287291

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Re: My Story (Mild Asperger) 10 May 2016 20:04 #287399

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Re: My Story (Mild Asperger) 10 May 2016 22:54 #287403

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markz wrote on 10 May 2016 20:04:

Thank Gd the forums are quiet today

We are all working on recovery in groups / emails / etc..

Keep on Trucking

Really? How come i didn't see anything!

Btw, that clip is awesome. Who ever said that trucking was easy.

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abie wrote on 02 May 2016 21:54:

Regarding the Taphsic, I believe is a גאון'ישע כאפ

You wrote במקו"א:

This is a stress free knas based prevention idea (unlike Taphsic which only serves for emergency lust attacks)

I'm surprised other's didn't see the difference
The "Good night device" calendar is for me a "Heker" as the handbook calls a filter
I wasnt lusting / fantasizing when I shut my computer 30 min ago. It's a simple fence that keeps me far far away from illicit situations

Whereas Taphsic is designed for lust attacks. It is a g'oinishe chap for such a situation, but I don't believe it's a viable long term "single standing solution" for someone with a low level addiction like myself, or a stronger addiction

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Re: My Story - Aspergers 13 May 2016 04:24 #287698

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Re: My Story - Aspergers 29 May 2016 02:42 #289093

Markz Current streak: 74 days OFFLINE Platinum Boarder Posts: 7751 Karma: 401	So... I slipped but didn't fall according to the 90 day rules I personally would restart my count, but since counting isn't a big tool for me I'm not gonna hit restart if it's not a fall This happened last Tuesday in the middle of the night when my mind wasn't fully at its prime. I believe a Taphsic may help me for such a infrequent situation, but I'm afraid of Taphsic's...
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Re: My Story - Aspergers 29 May 2016 03:23 #289096

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Re: My Story - Aspergers 29 May 2016 03:57 #289109

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I'll answer your question if you can explain that synonym

i didn't know if it was a fall or a Mast* slip. To me it was closer to a fall than a slip

came Shabbos I had a clearer mind I decided "tonight I'll check the rules and see what it says"

Im still unsure if I should restart...
The main thing is - I restarted my engine right away

but I'm still suffering from the outfall - I see repercussions when I slip...

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Re: My Story - Aspergers 29 May 2016 04:07 #289114

inastruggle Current streak: 25 days OFFLINE Platinum Boarder the picture is shimshon hagibor. not st. mary.... Posts: 1263 Karma: 35	Imho you shouldn't decide whether to consider it a fall or slip until said reprecussions fade away. Falls goreres falls and being clean goreres being clean. So even if L'mafreya it's a fall, you were already clean for a week or two and in the being clean goreres being clean cycle. Pardon my french.
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Re: My Story - Aspergers 29 May 2016 04:25 #289118

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Re: My Story - Aspergers 29 May 2016 04:36 #289119

Markz Current streak: 74 days OFFLINE Platinum Boarder Posts: 7751 Karma: 401	Thanks guys Ina - Repercussions i meant as retributions I see instant 'hand of Satan' when I slip like that. My 2 kids got hurt the next day but I didn't feel repercussion of my 'acting out' as in spiraling outa control. No. I was back on track right away...
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Re: My Story - Aspergers 29 May 2016 04:37 #289120

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Re: My Story - Aspergers 29 May 2016 04:39 #289121

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Re: My Story - Aspergers 29 May 2016 04:40 #289122

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Re: My Story - Aspergers 29 May 2016 04:47 #289123

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Re: My Story - Aspergers 29 May 2016 05:16 #289130

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inastruggle wrote on 15 Apr 2016 17:48:

A long time ago I was in a similar situation. I asked some people what to do. The advice I took was from Skeptical. He told me that the count is only a tool. If I think that it'll hurt me to start over then I should not count it as a fall. Maybe as a big slip.

After that I was clean for close to a year. I think if I would've counted it as a fall I would've fell again.

Re: My Story - Aspergers 29 May 2016 14:17 #289165

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markz wrote on 29 May 2016 04:36:

Thanks guys

Ina - Repercussions i meant as retributions

I see instant 'hand of Satan' when I slip like that. My 2 kids got hurt the next day

but I didn't feel repercussion of my 'acting out' as in spiraling outa control. No. I was back on track right away...

Markz,
Move on. Don't get caught up in the- my kids got hurt, I need a taphsic- just continue doing what you were doing unless you see it's not working.

I'll tell you something crazy- I had some frustration and struggle last week and almost had a slip and I was thinking to myself- you know, Cordnoy slipped a few times before he got his current long term sobriety and he always kept on going, so maybe I can too. And then I thought- but I don't remember seeing Markz have any issues since he's on this streak.

How crazy that I'm pretty sure I was thinking this all this past Wednesday night..... It's he GYE wireless connection.

Hope that doesn't make too much pressure to see how much I and others are looking up to you...but regardless, we are!

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Thanks guys for all your input

Posts should not contain details that others may find triggering, which is why I can't really explain this Masturbation slip

I hold myself to high standards, and therefore commit bln if I have another rare similar occurrence, that I will restart my count

Ina you raised a valid point. However since my wall of honor count isn't what keeps my eyes / mind off the street / internet / myself, I'm not afraid to use it as a deterrent for this infrequent struggle that in my books can be called a fall

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Workingguy wrote on 29 May 2016 14:17:

markz wrote on 29 May 2016 04:36:

Cordnoy fell several times as well.
He slips way too often.

Re: My Story - Aspergers 29 May 2016 19:15 #289194

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cordnoy wrote on 29 May 2016 18:42:

Workingguy wrote on 29 May 2016 14:17:

markz wrote on 29 May 2016 04:36:

Cordnoy fell several times as well.
He slips way too often.

he also refers to himself in the third person.

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cordnoy wrote on 29 May 2016 18:42:

Workingguy wrote on 29 May 2016 14:17:

markz wrote on 29 May 2016 04:36:

Cordnoy fell several times as well.
He slips way too often.

Cordnoy,

Hope you understood that I was using you as an example with the utmost respect of someone who's a role model even though he fell on the way to where he is- no disrespect.

Re: My Story - Aspergers 29 May 2016 19:55 #289197

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The slippery deck last night was due to a sudden storm that appeared over the weekend.

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Re: My Story - Aspergers 29 May 2016 22:35 #289206

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Nope.

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inastruggle wrote on 29 May 2016 16:00:

Now that that's settled, back to business. The just having fun section has been waiting paitently the whole time....

I've been having my doubts about promoting the JHF section
I think its productive, but how many people gain real sobriety with it as a crutch? I believe a negligible percent

What would be if I quit posting on JHF theads, if I feel (think / imagine) that I provide enough humor in the 'non depressed people's' threads, when I don't know that I have ample time for JHF nowadays.

Im thinking aloud, but I'm serious too

I thought the JHF section can be a magnet to assist sobriety. Can someone seriously prove that to me?

I imagined people were easier to truck on gye with us if they see (smell) some humor on entry.
I am reconsidering

I'd like to hear your thoughts

Feel free to reply with humor, but that won't convince me...

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markz wrote on 29 May 2016 23:57:

inastruggle wrote on 29 May 2016 16:00:

Now that that's settled, back to business. The just having fun section has been waiting paitently the whole time....

A few months ago the JHF had more posts than anything else on the forum and I started feeling like the point of GYE was being missed. At that point I would have answered that it definitely was a problem and was taking away from people posting for real on the forum.

I don't see it as that much of a problem now, but I definitely hear the question.

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Re: My Story - Aspergers 30 May 2016 19:14 #289263

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IMHO Humor is a good thing!!

Communication is crucial as mentioned previously, and this is one of the vehicles, as has been for me for sure!!

But when there's an overload, the humor vehicle can be a detriment to Trucking for the typical member (although there can be exceptions)

Obsessive humor inhibits personal growth for most, and it could be that this is what is meant by
שחוק וקלות ראש מרגילין לערוה
It's not that humor necessarily leads one to lust, rather it blocks positive Trucking and thereby automatically allows lust to simmer and effect us

Those were my serious words for today!

Now back to hilarious trucking!!

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Re: My Story - Aspergers 31 May 2016 03:14 #289291

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I agree with workingguy, if the fun parts of gye are the main thing then yatzah secharo b'hefsaido. There were times when I felt that was the case. Recently it hasn't been that way though imho.

I don't think it's fair to call the jhf section a crutch, it's a tool. At least as useful as some of the other ones promoted here.

Part of the reason I left a while ago was because gye had become really boring and monotonous. It was all seriousness and no humor. It's a hard struggle (or surrender) and humor sweetens it.

If you don't have time then don't do it. Adrabbah, I think that at a certain point in recovery you start living life and stop having time to be here. It isn't supposed to be a big focus. Most of the guys with really long streaks aren't here anymore and that's a good thing. It would be terrible if in order to stay clean someone had to spend the rest of his life constantly posting on gye instead of spending time with his family.

In conclusion, I don't think you should boycott the jhf section, but spending less time here, and online in general is always a good thing.

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Markz Current streak: 74 days OFFLINE Platinum Boarder Posts: 7751 Karma: 401	Me no boycotting nothing, and not telling anyone else what to do I personally had a tradition of posting JHF daily which I don't regret at all but I may cut down on that as I have done recently Warning: Spoiler! AND PUMP HUMOR INTO THE SERIOUS THREADS Warning: Spoiler! Anyone know how to hide that spoiler from our beloved moderators???????????????
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Re: My Story - Aspergers 14 Jun 2016 13:06 #290046

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The proof of the pudding is in its taste

How are your actions?
so many days of sobriety is very telling don't you think?
If you are not acting out and intimacy is fine so what's the problem? perhaps she feels you are choosing GYE over attention for her? (just trying to think like a female)

On the point that you are on the forum so many hours - what would happen if you begin to cut down a bit?

Yes she feels I'm choosing GYE over attention for her, but also feels it's an escape to be on it for so many hours / week, as though its a replacement for other outlets

What would happen if I begin to cut down a bit?
Probably nothing much, and I may do that for the next 2 weeks, to see how I fare

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Re: My Story - Aspergers 14 Jun 2016 19:07 #290062

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Re: My Story - Aspergers 06 Jul 2016 22:26 #291477

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Why the "device calendar" helps me

I feel that my P&M problem in the past 10+ years was primarily one of "internet addiction" and every once in a while after caught in the 'web', I'd slip down the youtube
I can't say I have a strong sex addiction, but some level of lust yes

Time awareness apparently is an issue for me, although if you'd ask me I wouldn't have been aware of it ;-)

I found the following enlightening quotes

www.aspergermanagement.com/

"Not everyone with AS has a poor concept of time. Some of my clients are very organized, and have no trouble meeting deadlines. The individuals who do have difficulty often do not have a sense of what time means. So, for example, if a manager asks them to do something in a half hour, they do not have an intuitive awareness of how quickly they need to work, or whether that time frame is realistic or not. Another problem is becoming so absorbed in a project that a person loses track of time altogether.

www.healthguideinfo.com/

Most people have experienced periods of time just slipping away. With Asperger's sufferers this can be an ongoing problem that interferes with school, work, and daily life. For parents, caregivers, friends, and employers of Aspies, dealing with someone who constantly loses track of time or ignores it altogether can be both frustrating and downright annoying. However, those who spend time around Asperger's individuals should try to remember that poor time management is a trait associated with the disability.

Always Have a Plan or Objective

Spontaneity just doesn't work well for most people with Asperger's. Surprises or unexpected occurrences can be very jarring for them. Many Aspies crave and enjoy routine and sameness.

For Aspies and their family members, creating lists of tasks that needed to be completed each day can be a great way to keep them organized. The list should be very specific and include a timeframe in which tasks must be completed. Also, allow the person the list is being created for to have some input into what it includes. Make sure the list is not too overwhelming for the Aspie. He or she needs to be successful. But hold them accountable for making sure tasks are prioritized and completed on time.

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Re: My Story - Aspergers 08 Jul 2016 20:01 #291631

Markz Current streak: 74 days OFFLINE Platinum Boarder Posts: 7751 Karma: 401	Perhaps for many, but for people that relate easier to their computer than to other people, like myself, gye is life, not an escape from life My therapist said something like this recently, and was gonna write it in an email. If she has more enlightening info I'll try share it
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Re: My Story - Aspergers 08 Jul 2016 22:58 #291642

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Re: My Story - Aspergers 12 Jul 2016 16:46 #291804

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My wife asked "If being on the computer/Internet is a soothing activity for you, how can you figure out what is the void in you that is needing soothing when you do that?"

Therapist replied "Mark will have to answer this but as we discussed the obsession with the internet might not be a replacement for a “void” in his life rather it is something that he feels comfortable with."

In other words most gyes are social beings and Internet is an escape from their reality. Aspies are different. So Ina, chatting with my friends on gye for me is ok to be life

My wife asked me "why don't you find a different website" I said to her go ahead find me a different forum like this. I don't believe it exists

Moreover the honesty and sharing (which our past sins bring out), can't be gained elsewhere.

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Markz wrote on 12 Jul 2016 16:46:

Just curious- why would a different website be better? Is her issue that you're spending too much time on the computer or that there's something specific about GYE?

Re: My Story - Aspergers 13 Jul 2016 12:52 #291855

Markz Current streak: 74 days OFFLINE Platinum Boarder Posts: 7751 Karma: 401	Gye because of the lust topic... And we can discuss more on my Karl thread, but this week I'm overly busy. WG Is lust more difficult for you this week that the wife is away?
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Markz wrote on 13 Jul 2016 12:52:

Gye because of the lust topic... And we can discuss more on my Karl thread, but this week I'm overly busy.

WG Is lust more difficult for you this week that the wife is away?

Mark,
it definitely is and I'm going to post on my thread but mostly because 1) I have too much alone time on my hands and 2) I have forgotten all my commitments originally that helped me stay sober which you were my Rebbi for. I had a fall while she was a way- not because of the too much time but because of a huge stressor but it doesn't matter- so on your thread I recommit to this- I am going back off any you tube or entertainment type media like movie clips and going back to keeping my eyes to
myself. I let those slip and now I've been worrying about the underlying reasons why I slip but I have to also do what got me sober- no looking.

I'll post more on my thread. Thanks for asking

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So I'll reply to your question on my thread

Workingguy wrote on 21 Jul 2016 23:01:

Markz wrote on 01 Jul 2016 21:59:

Um... been there... done that... I have covenant eyes... I know all the loopholes... I used to take advantage of them...

Markz,
My problem is that when life gets too difficult I slowly start to slide and eventually will take some advantage of them. You Tube and some images, not going to be specific in why it doesn't trigger Webchaver bc sometimes it does.

Why doesn't that happen to you? Is it that this was never a coping tool but just a struggle because of the bad opportunity of open internet?

Look I'm gonna be honest
I'm not my therapist (Maybe you should give me your therapists phone number cos you said he knows how to give a kick in the pants)

But this is honestly what I think

As an aspie

1) I have weak communication skills (I didn't give you my number - I'm not the type to shmooze, although I'd love to say hi), and I shy away from people, even from my wife. Usually when we take a walk Im almost never the one to open a discussion / topic... I'll try join her convo, but not always successfully

2) I always keep myself busy. Is it an escape outlet from society? Possibly. I was bullied as a kid (nothing serious) likely because aspergers are high targets, and that possibly built in me a greater resistance to real people [Porn isn't real life so I was comfortable there :-( ]

3) I never stop to rest. I wouldn't plan to do something to chill ever (If not for my wife needing a vacation I wouldn't ever go)
Whether it's too busy at work, learning a bit, posting on gye, exercise.... I block out the world. When out and about I always put on my headphones and plug into a shiur (There's too many good ones, enough to get past 120 years...) and block out the world

So I don't allow myself opportunity to think if life is too difficult or not. Yes sure sometimes life is tough (I have something I'm going thru now, can't elaborate)

Not that aspies don't have feelings. They do and they can be deep, but Aspergers prefer to think and change the world, and will put thought before emotion

And aspies like consistent schedules. I find for me, when my schedule is out of whack eg on Sunday's when I'm off work, so I have time on my hands and usually that is one of my challenging lust situations

Recently on Sunday's I've been checking 'kosher' you tube vids, it's not an escape rather something I like to do

So for me it's not about 12 stepping, rather making a firm Sunday schedule (and sticking to it - I wish. This is a topic I hope to get help from my therapist)

Sorry if my words aren't coherent

Keep on Trucking!!

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This post I wrote recently is related to my situation and I'll likely want to repeat it to other friends (very infrequently), so I want it to park here for now

Markz wrote on 15 Jul 2016 19:02:

...you must start already driving on a real recovery road and not rely entirely on this forum which seems to me an off road dirt track which only helps a select few. How many guys are like me that are clean long term with daily forum posting? Almost no one

Thats the reality

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Re: My Story - Aspergers 28 Jul 2016 06:15 #292840

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Just curious.....Who says the two are related?

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cordnoy wrote:

Just curious.....Who says the two are related?

I stated a fact which seemingly can be corroborated

Id say to consider sobriety with the forum alone - posting once a week is a minimum, perhaps it should actually be once daily

Now, out of the almost 6000 members, how many do that?

To your question.
I can't totally explain why they're related, but seemingly what I said is true. Understood?

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Re: My Story - Aspergers 28 Jul 2016 12:17 #292850

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Not

NotNot at all.

How do you know that you need to do that?

And I'm sick of deleting the first few duplicate words every time I post.

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cordnoy wrote:

Not

NotNot at all.

How do you know that you need to do that?

And I'm sick of deleting the first few duplicate words every time I post.

What is "that"?

"sobriety"?
"forum"?
something else?

Do I absolutely need the forum and can't use other tools? That wasn't my point at all
I was pointing out that for most members - and Cordnoy you have seen this often - the forum alone hasn't been the key, and has actually been a hinderance for some in my unprofessional opinion

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Re: My Story - Aspergers 10 Aug 2016 11:52 #293620

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Re: My Story - Aspergers 10 Aug 2016 15:07 #293635

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H'hey thanks Gevura!

A ray of hope in the darkness of the 9 days!

The darkness ;-(
1) I still own a cap I used to wear to 'hide' when I on 2-3 rare occasions I went to purchase a porn magazine (when internet access was limited)
2) Just before I joined gye last year I accessed porn on a system standard app on my wife's phone that cannot be removed at all (I didn't get to TAG yet to ask if they know of a miracle...). Without revealing the app so I don't cause more darkness, that app so to speak keeps a history of last sites visited. It does not have a regular history page where the history can be deleted. If I ever open that app and scroll down, my history is there to haunt me forever

I joined gye 25 Av 5775, but I prefer to celebrate today (as I joined gye Aug 10 2015) so we can arrange a GYE BBQ party with music, real meat, and real wine (not that ladies stuff that you can drink and drive with)

I can say thanks to GYE I had a highly productive year, since I put Porn and Mast* out of my weekly schedule

For me it wasn't an out of control struggle, rather a filthy habit to fill my empty time with.Most of what has worked for me I mentioned at end of page 1 of this thread. Also a little on page 3, and on pg 6 - "it's all about connection"

Personal mention must be made to higher ranking guys that have helped and continuously assist me virtually in my long haul
Cordnoy (hit 1500 profile views today -congrats!!), Dov, Gev, Watson...

I have learnt a lot from too many of you to mention...

Much appreciation to the.guard for hosting each of us! For example the "filtered device calendar" was a crazy but helpful idea for me, and thanks to the.guard I was given a place to implement it

To celebrate, I'm planning to pick up the phone and call Dov (for the first time!)

I think the forum should have the following message:
Posting regularly on the forum has proven to drive many people out of anonymity. Proceed with caution

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Re: My Story - Aspergers 11 Aug 2016 00:41 #293658

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And you have and continue to help many.

Continued hatzlachah

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Mazel Tov!!! You are an integral part of GYE and recovery for many. You definitely have grown a lot since you first came to the forums. You are also a living example of leading a happy life in recovery. You have a great sense of spirit and a jovial attitude to go along with it. I also have seen how your intensity has decreased and sensitivity has increased, two things that are very hard for "aspies."

Hatzlacha Rabah.

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Hey Mark, you're looking a bit pale. Is everything OK?

Re: My Story - Aspergers 11 Aug 2016 20:08 #293710

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Markz Current streak: 74 days OFFLINE Platinum Boarder Posts: 7751 Karma: 401	Yeah - "let's" is the important word There's no way I'd be here today without all youguys But I was triggered today at work dealing with a female co-worker, so ill decline your Guardyouryears offer and stick to ODAAT
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Re: My Story - Aspergers 16 Aug 2016 01:56 #293878

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Re: My Story - Aspergers 16 Aug 2016 11:43 #293899

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I find this message important for me. If helps someone else that's ok. The intent is definitely not to absolve a non addict from doing the right thing today, rather to choose which steps we need for recovery

Dov wrote on 27 Jul 2016 23:24:

All sinners are addicts??
Surely not. The majority of Americans watch soft-core porn in R Rated movies frequently. Does that mean the majority of Americans are sex addicts? Nutty. Are most Americans alcoholics and need AA because they get drunk every few Superbowls? Surely not. And how then about most Lubavitchers who get drunk at Fahrbrengens a few times a year and at Simchas Torah, etc...and they are all alcoholics who need to go to AA to save their lives? Doubtful. Actually, silly

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Re: My Story / Asperger 21 Aug 2016 03:23 #294176

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markz wrote on 08 Apr 2016 14:04:

Fridays email was very compelling and makes me rethink whether I should show my count

"Rabbi Dr Abraham Twersky"

ou tell an alcoholic that he can never drink again, that is too formidable a challenge. Taking it one day at time is doable.

A friend who was sober 43 years recorded every day of his sobriety. The day before he died he entered 16,472 days in his diary.

Also I've received many congrats recently on my 90 day although I passed that a long time ago and this may be misleading

Shlomo24's Day 1 count also makes sense, so, many options are on the cards...

Thoughts?

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Re: My Story / Asperger 21 Aug 2016 22:10 #294189

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Markz anything posted on this site must have in mind the best for the individual and the best for the the group at large. Since you brought it up, I for one never liked the idea of leaving the number of days clean, set to a particular number or milestone and never changed thereafter. To me it is either confusing or misleading.
I believe it should be at the true number or left empty. Of course, one can expect that a person not necessarily update daily but it should generally reflect a true number.

Just my two cents

Re: My Story - Aspergers 21 Aug 2016 22:39 #294190

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Re: My Story - Aspergers 22 Aug 2016 03:07 #294201

Markz Current streak: 74 days OFFLINE Platinum Boarder Posts: 7751 Karma: 401	Yirai and Watson both of you are right down my street Kedusha has 2500+ days If I was a new user I wouldn't take his advice as seriously as someone with a low 100-200 day count I wouldn't either take as seriously someone with no count displayed I have a solution, and I think it needs a new group discussion, I hope to post it soon iyH gnite guys - love you all -
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"current Streak" - I hear what you mean. To me I always read it an expression of a change from the past. Meaning: Before I have fallen multiple times but now this is my current streak with the hope it will be permanent.
As for "make your days count" I understand that is most important. As we always say one day at a time. Focus on this very day and even this very moment.
Yet, once in a while I like to take a peek and see and contemplate my count. As it grows it is a motivation for me. I am sure there are all types of preferences. This seems to work for me.

Re: My Story - Aspergers 22 Aug 2016 03:36 #294203

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Re: My Story - Aspergers 22 Aug 2016 18:49 #294229

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Markz wrote on 22 Aug 2016 03:07:

Yirai and Watson both of you are right down my street

Kedusha has 2500+ days
If I was a new user I wouldn't take his advice as seriously as someone with a low 100-200 day count

I wouldn't either take as seriously someone with no count displayed

I have a solution, and I think it needs a new group discussion, I hope to post it soon iyH

gnite guys - love you all -

I seem to be the odd man out, but for me, the more days someone is clean, the more qualified he is to dispense advice.

Also, we know that these guys are only clean because they decided to change their lives after hitting some sort of rock bottom, so I have to assume that they know good and well what it means to be struggling to keep your head above water, and to fall hard.

I wish more of those guys were active on the forums.

Re: My Story - Aspergers 22 Aug 2016 19:07 #294232

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Re: My Story 02 Oct 2016 20:51 #295834

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Dear brothers

I would like to share with you a very inspirational prayer which I have all of you in mind for, often - it goes like this

אָנָּא בְּכֹחַ, גְּדוּלַת יְמִינְךָ, תַּתִּיר צְרוּרָה

Please with the strength of your right hand, release the bondage of our prayer

קֳבֵּל רִנַּת, עַמְּךָ. שַׂגְּבֵנוּ, טַהֲרֵנוּ נוֹרָא

Hear the cry of your nation,
Raise and purify us in an awesome way / O Awesome Gd

נָא גִּבּוֹר, דּוֹרְשֵׁי יִחוּדֶךָ, כְּבָבַת שָׁמְרֵם

Please Almighty, for those who seek your one-ness, Guard them like the pupil of the Eye [Alternatively; Guard them in proportion to the measure that they Guard their eyes]

בָּרְכֵם, טַהֲרֵם, רַחֲמֵי צִדְקָתְךָ, תָּמִיד גָּמְלֵם

Give them blessing, Purify them,
Your merciful benevolence should constantly provide for them

חָסִין קָדוֹשׁ, בְּרֹב טוּבְךָ, נַהֵל עֲדָתֶךָ
יָחִיד גֵּאֶה, לְעַמְּךָ פְנֵה, זוֹכְרֵי קְדֻשָּׁתֶךָ
שַׁוְעָתֵנוּ קַבֵּל, וּשְׁמַע צַעֲקָתֵנוּ,
יוֹדֵעַ תַּעֲלוּמוֹת בשכמל״ו

May you all have a serene year 5777 with only positive performance (no blowouts, or glitches on the way), and happiness and honey too!!

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Re: My Story / Asperger 16 Nov 2016 05:10 #297929

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markz wrote on 30 Mar 2016 16:47:

When I wrote this post 6 months ago, I was searching in futility for the "Rat Park" video, which nicely depicts what I was trying to convey

I found it today, and because I'm so relieved to have found it, and also I feel it's so profound, it's gonna be in my signature for the next short while, so please enjoy it while it's there!

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Re: My Story / Asperger 16 Nov 2016 13:36 #297951

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Yesod wrote on 01 Dec 2016 04:41:

Man, how do you pull up these old posts.
do you chazer or what?!

I don't chazer

Often I used to go onto Utube in the late evenings for Parev entertainment and would result with some Treife results. Do I need to kasher my computers???
Is it enough if I immerse the mouse in boiling water for a few seconds?

But that stopped since joining guardyourtubes and I restrained from regular websites with the 'good night device calendar' (click on the word 'restrictions' below)

So I need alternative entertainment and Guardyourguys forum is what keeps me busy. I don't chazer but there's SO much good stuff here to read...

Yeah I know - I need to get a life

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Re: My Story 01 Dec 2016 14:02 #298927

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Markz wrote on 01 Dec 2016 13:54:

Yesod wrote on 01 Dec 2016 04:41:

Man, how do you pull up these old posts.
do you chazer or what?!

Related to tieyourtubes.com?

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Mice are treif.

It might need Libun, or even Libu Chamur. It depends how hot...

Re: My Story 01 Dec 2016 18:17 #298940

Markz Current streak: 74 days OFFLINE Platinum Boarder Posts: 7751 Karma: 401	Gevura Shebyesod wrote on 01 Dec 2016 14:54: Mice are treif. It might need Libun, or even Libu Chamur. It depends how hot... This you guys all saw the "Rat park" video (hidden in the spoiler below) What about my mouse? The opposite of addiction is not sobriety The opposite of addiction is dis-connection
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Markz wrote on 01 Dec 2016 13:54:

Yesod wrote on 01 Dec 2016 04:41:

Man, how do you pull up these old posts.
do you chazer or what?!

So, in my quest to help markz, I did a g)!#&$@ search for "alternative entertainment," and .... Ummm.... It wasn't pretty. So, in conclusion Mark, just stay put....you're safer and we're safer.

Re: My Story 14 Dec 2016 05:12 #299870

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Balabos, I hope you see this thread too (I know you're a partner with me on the Filtered Device Calendar)

I was supposed to do some online work, but something urgent came up, and needed to get seen to first - updating my signature
Maybe signatures are dissapearing too? So Guard isn't kidding... - The website is going underwater cos no-one called Dov??

So i'm going online now to do my work after the device hours - wish me the best, and I wish you all too!!!

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Next thing you know, they'll get rid of the "let's get meshuga in here" sextion.

Re: My Story - Thank Gd 29 Dec 2016 00:51 #301467

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Markz wrote on 29 Dec 2016 00:51:

cordnoy wrote:

Next thing you know, they'll get rid of the "let's get meshuga in here" sextion.

You should use spell check brother

II did and I changed it to my spellin'.

Re: My Story - Thank Gd 29 Dec 2016 01:59 #301471

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Re: My Story - Thank Gd 30 Dec 2016 17:56 #301652

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Guess I'm normal - what's that?

I awoke in middle of night and tried to sleep. In half sleep / daze I had silly fantasy dream and fell

I heard myself saying "stop" and I did, but a little too late... ;-(

If not for gye I would have gone to some silly porn sites this morning, because naturally after a fall the fence comes crashing down too

For that alone GYE is worth more than gold thanks to the.guard!!!!!!

Should I consider it a fall and restart my date?

I don't care to, however I define a fall as a fully conscious act which imho this wasn't...

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Re: My Story - Thank Gd 30 Dec 2016 19:09 #301654

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Markz wrote on 30 Dec 2016 17:56:

Warning: Spoiler!

Re: My Story - Thank Gd 30 Dec 2016 19:43 #301655

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cordnoy wrote on 30 Dec 2016 19:09:

Markz wrote on 30 Dec 2016 17:56:

Warning: Spoiler!

Ditto
Ditto
Ditto
(Ok,, Maybe not to the first spoiler :-))

Re: My Story - Thank Gd 30 Dec 2016 20:06 #301656

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Megadittos to all the above.

Around here it's normal to be not normal

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Markz wrote on 30 Dec 2016 17:56:

Like everyone else said, you're definitely not normal- you're way better than normal and that's why we love you!

As for your fall, pardon my density, but is this a keri that happened when you were half asleep or you actually masturbated, just half asleep? First is definitely not a fall, the second sounds like it is.

But do whatever will help you keep on going!

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Firstly, thanks for sharing. It can be hard to do in these situations. I remember when I relapsed after 9 months. Secondly, I don't buy into this whole wet dream/half asleep masturbating business. If I'm not conscious then it's not a fall. I can do that every night of the week and it's still not a fall. Maybe I need to think about why it's happening, but nevertheless I'm still sober. It could be that GYE would say it's a fall. I don't know.

Love you, man. Keep up the great work.

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Markz wrote on 08 Apr 2017 22:59:

I went to my local Tag office to get iTunes restricted

So a sweet guy there tries to install a program for me on his computer but gets stuck because his program is locked with parental controls and he didn't know the password (until he reached a supervisor)

At least I know I came to the right place

Oh no... here it goes again...

Why did I go to tag?
Because iTunes Radio cannot be locked by my own brute force

TAG to the rescue!!

Im very appreciative for TAG rep helping me - and they don't charge for that service

Fellow told me they couldn't do anything with my old version, and needed to update the IOS

I updated it and Tag setup everything perfectly

Tonight I found a totally different program which due to the apple update now allows inappropriate stuff

Its like never ending...

I don't want to cause any of you to put on slippers but this 'program' is system standard in all iPhones so I can't tell you today what it is...

If tag helps me fix that I'll let you guys know ;-)

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Re: My Story 08 Jan 2017 14:55 #302503

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Markz wrote on 08 Jan 2017 04:14:

Markz wrote on 08 Apr 2017 22:59:

Markz,
I'm not a apple fan so don't know the latest about iOS, however just my 2 cents based on my experience in the past.
What were you using to try to restrict xyz..., was it the built in restrictions?
Apple makes a tool called apple configurator which really allows full granular control over every aspect of the device. Perhaps try that.
p.s. Only the Mac version gives you full controls. The Windows version is watered down.

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I saw this recently and definitely relate to parts of this, i think.

The psychotherapy and scientific world is now using a popular theory called “Attachment Theory” that was actually developed over 60 years ago by John Bowlby.

The basic idea is that if we feel safe and securely attached to things or people that will help/comfort/protect us when things are difficult or scary for us, THAT is what helps us to become independent later on and take risks in life.
We know we can take risks and do scary things BECAUSE we feel that we have an emotional safety-net ingrained in our subconscious mind.

According to this we can understand why some people use drugs, lust, have poor interpersonal interactions, etc.-we can say that SINCE they don’t feel safe when confronted with scary or risky situations, they go into a fight-flight mode and cope with their fear by fighting back with their wife, numbing out the pain with lust, taking a drink when see sees a high electric bill, etc

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Markz wrote on 23 Feb 2017 22:01:

I totally agree. The whole theory of sleep training for kids I think is so cruel. The child will be much better off knowing it can rely on its mother whenever. And that self esteem will grow and be ingrained.

Now my question is: I didn't get much growing up. Divorce, fighting parents, bad father. So how do I give over that security to my kids? If I myself am not secure?

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MayanHamisgaber Current streak: 44 days OFFLINE Platinum Boarder Posts: 1198 Karma: 70	I cannot answer for the security thing but My personal feelings on sleep training is that while now it may seem cruel the child learns things from these type of things for example is it cruel to not let a child have to many sweets , nope..... And from a selfish perspective I want to sleep too (and maybe then be able to have enough patience to be a good father) ;-)
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Re: My Story - Thank Gd 24 Feb 2017 10:29 #306720

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If the baby is getting a healthy dose of life then they should be getting more than enough hugs and nurturing during feeds and awake time.
Some babies have a hard time relaxing just like us adults.. and there is no harm in training them how to fall asleep by themselves even if it means they cry a bit beforehand.
There is a time for sleep and a time for hugs.
This is not to be confused with adults who lacked nurturing in their youth to the point that they had to self-medicate as they grew older.
Sleep training is a very good example of learning how to deal with life.
A similar example would be the parents who take turns rocking and shaking the baby because that's the only way they will calm down.
If they wouldn't have started to rock them every time then they wouldn't have conditioned the baby to needing it.
Babies are not like us old people...

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I find it funny how we can get so far off topic sometimes,..
I used to agree with the one who said that 'rocking parents' caused their children to need it, then I had another child and saw that what worked for one does not work for the next, so I then agreed that it was curl to let them cry, then I had another child and saw that what worked for the next didn't work for another, so I had to change again.... melatonin, bottles, no bottles, only water, no water, night light, no light, stay in room, stay out of sight..... My current opinion is that anyone who has a strong opinion on what will or will not work has not personally tried it on multiple children. But, that's that's not a strong opinion of mine either...

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Re: My Story - Thank Gd 24 Feb 2017 14:57 #306737

mirror OFFLINE Expert Boarder Posts: 84 Karma: 1	To bring the topic back to addiction, the same theory that Still Going presented applies here too. It seemed from the many people on Guard Your Eyes, that there is no one method that will work for everyone. Just like children, we too need to try the different ways until we find the one that will let us sleep through the night without masturbating.

Re: My Story - Thank Gd 24 Feb 2017 15:31 #306739

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Re: My Story - Thank Gd 26 Feb 2017 18:47 #306850

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I recently bought a book on cd about attachment theory. Great stuff, very helpful regarding my insecurities and doing a proper 4th step.

But nothing to do with sobriety, to me. Explaining why I am motivated to do things means little, until I am freed from them. This is what i keep discovering. Once I am free, then logic can start to seep in and help me grow even further and and become a healthier person through my step work and other work, be"H.

Until I am sober and free of it, I cannot grow.

I am not referring to you, but the topic reminds me again of what i used to see on GYE years ago and keep seeing every now and then: People want to figure it out in order to let it go and get clean. But as the AA's taught me, "I can't think myself into right living. I can only live myself into right thinking." And right thinking is what recovery is all about.

Admin put these lines here cuz he likes 'em:
"The heart needs to be broken when will-power is not enough"
"Get off the 18-Wheeler and onto a tricycle!"
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Re: My Story - Thank Gd 26 Feb 2017 19:54 #306854

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Dov wrote on 26 Feb 2017 18:47:

My point was that communication / attachment and lust are sometimes intertwined. Therefore if we would try instead to fix the attachment issues, the lust could mimela be resolved somewhat.

Im taking about real action and new living on a plane of healthy attachments, thanks to my crazy shrink. Which I have a hunch has helped me reduce lusting. Farshtei?

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Re: I'm an Aspie (neurotypicals are invited too) 08 Mar 2017 14:43 #307784

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Teshuva?

Ever since my "sobriety date" Aug 2015, thank GD for The.Guard, I don't feel I have done genuine charata (remorse).
I'm missing that "feeling"

I have definitely not done Teshuva like I used to after Masturbating and then with tears crying out to Gd with a real broken heart and sincere repentance (and then falling again a month later and the Teshuva cycle repeated)

When I was lusting, I was able to do real Teshuva

I remember clearly one of my most heart wrenching Teshuva prayers was at a Internet awareness gathering in my town (and then probably fell again a week later)

But since recovery started, I just mouth the words "chatati". Believe me I am sincere, but my heart isn't there with the same anguish

Why is that?
Here's my unprofessional rationale

Lusting mode, is caused by emotions that are out of control.

So we go with our emotions downhill to porn, and rise up with our emotions to Teshuva. And the see-saw dance is forever

In recovery we get in control of our emotions to a certain extent. And therefore when it comes to "Teshuva", we can repent while keeping our emotions in check and not getting all sad / excited about it.

If doing Teshuva requires us to invest emotion, that can put us straight back in the mess we were in

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Re: I'm an Aspie (neurotypicals are invited too) 08 Mar 2017 16:10 #307794

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During davaning (or whatever I did was called) today, I thought as follows:

God, if I make a strong connection with You, I may need to feel guilty about the past. Presently, I'd like to avoid that.

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Re: I'm an Aspie (neurotypicals are invited too) 08 Mar 2017 16:40 #307795

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hmmm

Why?
Why the focus on needing to have charata? is focus on the relationship with hashem not more important? is the focus on azivas hachait not more important?

And what is the association with guilt and charata?

Is a component of Charata not just wishing I had not done what I did? is not by being here inherently a form a Charata?

what is guilt if not just a very strong emotion... of which we may or may not be able to control?

I think we have all had those moments of clarity as to how helpless we were and broke down in an endless flow of tears... but is that charata or, as Markz was alluding to, just us so knee deep in emotions? after a period of strongly enforcing and re-enforcing an azivas hachait we feel more "in control (illusion of control)" and more emotionally stable.

I would go out on a limb and say that the desire to do "true" charata comes from the yetzer hara trying to downplay any accomplishments or sell us short.

Anyone who has had serious issues and has battled with blood sweat and tears to do the ratzon haborei needs to hold his head up high and not worry so much about charata, maybe maybe on yom kippur ... but chas vsholom to have it lead to getting depressed which can begin a downward spiral

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Re: I'm an Aspie (neurotypicals are invited too) 08 Mar 2017 20:20 #307821

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Charata is part of teshuva guilt needs to be used to get to the steps of teshuva described by Rabbienu Yonah but with caution especially for addicts and even those who just struggle more than the average person.

Before my last fall was watching naruto one of the shows featured a guy casting a spell but got caught himself in the spell because of his own emotions. He broke out of it when he saw a friend who acts with alot of emotion but does not project it to others. He then realized that one can feel emotions but not be overwhelmed by them hence allowing himself to use them effectively for the spell....

I think there is what to gain by this perspective in the above discussion use guilt as a springboard but don't get bogged down with them

Any thoughts on this guys

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Re: My Story - Thank Gd 08 Mar 2017 21:03 #307832

Workingguy OFFLINE Platinum Boarder Posts: 1150 Karma: 139	I have thoughts. I thought I was the only one who used to watch Naruto. I'd be watching in middle of the night waiting for my baby to go back to sleep and often watched it and disnt watch por. But I think I was a Naruto addict. Watched about 150 episodes I think

Re: My Story - Thank Gd 08 Mar 2017 22:29 #307845

MayanHamisgaber Current streak: 44 days OFFLINE Platinum Boarder Posts: 1198 Karma: 70	beetcha there watched way over 250
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Re: My Story - Thank Gd 08 Mar 2017 23:15 #307847

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MayanHamisgaber wrote on 08 Mar 2017 22:29:

beetcha there watched way over 250

Whoa! I have so many questions. What happens to Sasuke? Does Naruto become the Hokage?

I haven't watched it in years- maybe eight years- and I still remember it so crystal clear.

Lots of good mussar there about the monsters inside of us.
I find that a lot of the cartoons have the best yesodos, but that's clearly not what they're there for.

Re: I'm an Aspie (neurotypicals are invited too) 08 Mar 2017 23:34 #307850

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cordnoy wrote on 08 Mar 2017 16:10:

During davaning (or whatever I did was called) today, I thought as follows:

God, if I make a strong connection with You, I may need to feel guilty about the past. Presently, I'd like to avoid that.

When Hashem sees us, he sees our entire life in one glance, from when we were born until we die, and everything we accomplished in between. While we live in guilt, shame and in the moment, he sees our true potential and who we really are. There is no need to feel guilty when connecting with Hashem. Aderaba, connecting with Him in real way brings simcha in the knowledge that He understands us, loves us unconditionally, like we do our children, and has infinite patience with us...

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Re: My Story - Thank Gd 09 Mar 2017 13:27 #307884

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Workingguy wrote on 08 Mar 2017 23:15:

MayanHamisgaber wrote on 08 Mar 2017 22:29:

beetcha there watched way over 250

BH my thread isn't the nerdiest anymore!!

Re: My Story - Thank Gd 09 Mar 2017 16:09 #307908

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Singularity wrote on 09 Mar 2017 13:27:

Workingguy wrote on 08 Mar 2017 23:15:

MayanHamisgaber wrote on 08 Mar 2017 22:29:

beetcha there watched way over 250

BH my thread isn't the nerdiest anymore!!

Yup, it's like the GYE Comic Con.

Re: My Story - Thank Gd 09 Mar 2017 18:15 #307914

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Workingguy wrote on 09 Mar 2017 16:09:

Singularity wrote on 09 Mar 2017 13:27:

Workingguy wrote on 08 Mar 2017 23:15:

MayanHamisgaber wrote on 08 Mar 2017 22:29:

beetcha there watched way over 250

BH my thread isn't the nerdiest anymore!!

Yup, it's like the GYE Comic Con.

Get a thread!

Re: My Story - Thank Gd 09 Mar 2017 19:54 #307924

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GrowStrong wrote on 09 Mar 2017 18:15:

Workingguy wrote on 09 Mar 2017 16:09:

Singularity wrote on 09 Mar 2017 13:27:

Workingguy wrote on 08 Mar 2017 23:15:

MayanHamisgaber wrote on 08 Mar 2017 22:29:

beetcha there watched way over 250

BH my thread isn't the nerdiest anymore!!

Yup, it's like the GYE Comic Con.

Get a thread!

Not worth it for me reminds me of the last time I was caught

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Re: My Story - Thank Gd 09 Mar 2017 20:06 #307925

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I'm very proud of myself.

I didn't Google Narudo or Hokedage yet.

Besides, they don't seem my type.