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Re: Tryin' 28 Apr 2016 02:54 #286030

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thanks613 wrote on 28 Apr 2016 02:40:

cordnoy wrote on 26 Apr 2016 03:23:

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cordnoy wrote on 25 Apr 2016 23:20:
Re: SG's question to shlomo..... Zohar says that matzah is bread of emunah, and the מפרשים ask: if so, we should eat it all year? The answer given is that it is like an antibiotic.

Funny... I've heard pretty much the same thing about the 12 steps[attachment=4790]alltogethernow.jpg 

I don't understand the comparison.
Usually when that happens here, I let it go, but here I am hesitant, for I don't view the 12 steps as an antibiotic at all.

I have heard the 12 steps compared to a treatment like chemotherapy for example.  It is an effective but intensive treatment for a serious disease.  While it is a lifeline for some, it would not be recommended for someone who didn't have the disease, for obvious reasons.  That's as far as the comparison goes.  I understand (or at least think I do) that the 12 steps are more of lifestyle change than a drug that you take until you are "better".  Maybe I took the comment out of context from what the Zohar piece was about.  

Hope I caused no offense. 

No offense taken at all.

I don't agree or like the comparison to chemotherapy either. 
I also don't think that most of the steps can be harmful to anyone.
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Re: Tryin' 28 Apr 2016 02:57 #286032

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realsimcha wrote on 28 Apr 2016 02:53:

thanks613 wrote on 28 Apr 2016 02:40:

cordnoy wrote on 26 Apr 2016 03:23:

thanks613 wrote on 26 Apr 2016 02:31:

cordnoy wrote on 25 Apr 2016 23:20:
Re: SG's question to shlomo..... Zohar says that matzah is bread of emunah, and the מפרשים ask: if so, we should eat it all year? The answer given is that it is like an antibiotic.

Funny... I've heard pretty much the same thing about the 12 steps[attachment=4790]alltogethernow.jpg 

I don't understand the comparison.
Usually when that happens here, I let it go, but here I am hesitant, for I don't view the 12 steps as an antibiotic at all.

I have heard the 12 steps compared to a treatment like chemotherapy for example.  It is an effective but intensive treatment for a serious disease.  While it is a lifeline for some, it would not be recommended for someone who didn't have the disease, for obvious reasons.  That's as far as the comparison goes.  I understand (or at least think I do) that the 12 steps are more of lifestyle change than a drug that you take until you are "better".  Maybe I took the comment out of context from what the Zohar piece was about.  

Hope I caused no offense. 

I am not a 12 steps expert, but I know that Rabbi Twersky says that everyone - even non-addicts - could gain from a 12 step program. Thats why he wrote "Waking up just in time" and "When do the good things start" עיין שם

See below or above.
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Re: Tryin' 28 Apr 2016 03:11 #286039

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cordnoy wrote on 28 Apr 2016 02:54:

thanks613 wrote on 28 Apr 2016 02:40:

cordnoy wrote on 26 Apr 2016 03:23:

thanks613 wrote on 26 Apr 2016 02:31:

cordnoy wrote on 25 Apr 2016 23:20:
Re: SG's question to shlomo..... Zohar says that matzah is bread of emunah, and the מפרשים ask: if so, we should eat it all year? The answer given is that it is like an antibiotic.

Funny... I've heard pretty much the same thing about the 12 steps[attachment=4790]alltogethernow.jpg 

I don't understand the comparison.
Usually when that happens here, I let it go, but here I am hesitant, for I don't view the 12 steps as an antibiotic at all.

I have heard the 12 steps compared to a treatment like chemotherapy for example.  It is an effective but intensive treatment for a serious disease.  While it is a lifeline for some, it would not be recommended for someone who didn't have the disease, for obvious reasons.  That's as far as the comparison goes.  I understand (or at least think I do) that the 12 steps are more of lifestyle change than a drug that you take until you are "better".  Maybe I took the comment out of context from what the Zohar piece was about.  

Hope I caused no offense. 

No offense taken at all.

I don't agree or like the comparison to chemotherapy either. 
I also don't think that most of the steps can be harmful to anyone.

I mostly agree.  Maybe I made the mistake of generalizing to the whole 12 steps

Re: Tryin' 28 Apr 2016 05:33 #286057

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thanks613 wrote on 28 Apr 2016 02:40:

cordnoy wrote on 26 Apr 2016 03:23:

thanks613 wrote on 26 Apr 2016 02:31:

cordnoy wrote on 25 Apr 2016 23:20:
Re: SG's question to shlomo..... Zohar says that matzah is bread of emunah, and the מפרשים ask: if so, we should eat it all year? The answer given is that it is like an antibiotic.

Funny... I've heard pretty much the same thing about the 12 steps[attachment=4790]alltogethernow.jpg 

I don't understand the comparison.
Usually when that happens here, I let it go, but here I am hesitant, for I don't view the 12 steps as an antibiotic at all.

I have heard the 12 steps compared to a treatment like chemotherapy for example.  It is an effective but intensive treatment for a serious disease.  While it is a lifeline for some, it would not be recommended for someone who didn't have the disease, for obvious reasons.  That's as far as the comparison goes.  I understand (or at least think I do) that the 12 steps are more of lifestyle change than a drug that you take until you are "better".  Maybe I took the comment out of context from what the Zohar piece was about.  
 

In the interests of making shalom, perhaps the chemo example can better be applied to actual sa meetings, which are intensive and generally effective treatment for those who need them, but not for everyone. 
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Re: Tryin' 28 Apr 2016 06:05 #286058

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There is Shalom here.

I disagree again.

Have you ever been by an sa meeting?
Was it painful?
Did it hurt?
Were you looking forward to the next meeting?
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Re: Tryin' 28 Apr 2016 07:23 #286061

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Personally, I beleive that there are many non-addicts in SA. My previous therapist didn't believe that I was an addict. Half the psychological world doesn't think that sex addiction exists! However, the 12 steps work of you work it. For many people.
If you're an LGBTQ or LGBTQ-questioning person and looking for someone who can understand you, feel free to reach out. I promise no judgement and to try and listen the best I can. 

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Re: Tryin' 28 Apr 2016 13:07 #286076

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cordnoy wrote on 28 Apr 2016 06:05:

 looking 

?!

Re: Tryin' 29 Apr 2016 11:39 #286138

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When a man climbs the 12 step ladder with Torah, with buddies, complete recovery is possible, including making it right to the ones we wounded by our secret intimacies, When I went through the 90 days GYE showed how to find the 12 steps in Torah.  Are there not 12 months in a year, and when there is a 13 month, let us review one of the steps we missed the most.
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Re: Tryin' 01 May 2016 17:45 #286213

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skeptical wrote on 28 Apr 2016 13:07:

cordnoy wrote on 28 Apr 2016 06:05:

 looking 

?!

?
Most do, actually...
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Re: Tryin' 02 May 2016 16:47 #286324

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I don't know about you, but I know that I need today's call.
I'm gonna clear my schedule for that....no matter what.
​!:20 call, and then Mincha.....both are necessities for today.
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Re: Tryin' 05 May 2016 17:34 #286797

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In honor of Cordy's new nautical theme...
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Re: Tryin' 05 May 2016 18:16 #286802

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and i guess i'll chime in with the cuban national anthem... 
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Re: Tryin' 05 May 2016 18:17 #286803

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I am adamently opposed, no matter how much i like it, to your new avatar change. I think i will report you to the moderator.............








shoot. you are the moderator. oh oh. 
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Re: Tryin' 05 May 2016 18:23 #286805

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In honor of Cordy's new nautical theme...
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Re: Tryin' 05 May 2016 19:41 #286810

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and i guess i'll chime in with the cuban national anthem... 
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Peloni, Do you realize that Cordnoy כדרכו בקדש always goes on a limb for all of us (of course for his Ego), and decided to give up his lease on a Truck, and go deep see diving to help the one and only

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