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Re: filter.. or maybe not 11 Sep 2019 15:18 #343513

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sleepy wrote on 11 Sep 2019 13:08:
i agree to Hhm,you have to have a positive self image about yourself in these matters,im reminded about a Chasidishe Rebbe who was about to Daven and the yetzer hara whispered in his ear ."oh ,look whos Davening like a big tzadik, dont you remember what you did earlier,and you know that youll probably do it again later!"Answered the Rebbe,"i know what i may have done earlier,and what i may do later , but yetzer hara!leave me alone!! now im Davening!!
the mishna says (not exact quote ,i think )"Al tirsha harbe"dont be a big rasha!so they ask, a BIG rasha not, but a small rasha yes?!and they answer,dont make yourself into a bigger rasha than you are,meaning,ok a person falls into cheit,not good,but that should not weaken his Davening,Learning Torah, Mitzvos,Simchas Hachaim,hes still a Yid, hes still a member of the  Am Hanivchar!
when the Vilna Goan ztl was in prison on false charges, he saw one of the guards who was a Yid who converted about to take a drink, so The Goan said,"make a Beracha." answered the Yid ,"Ha! i desecrate the whole Torah, and your telling me to make a Beracha?:snort:!" Said the Goan, "whoa! Chazal say about a certain rasha that he is going to have to give an accounting in Heaven for a small sin, YOU are going to have to give an accounting o n   t h e   e n t i r e    T o r a h!!(the yid broke down and did teshuva)
the point that im trying to make to you(and myself)is the above not matter what was done the yetzer has NO RIGHT to tell us ,your a loser , youve done it so many times.
the question is , is this what you were asking...

It's actually a Posuk In Koheles 7:17
אל־תרשע הרבה ואל־תהי סכל למה תמות בלא עתך:
See Rashi and other meforshim there.

The previous Posuk can perhaps be understood along similar lines:
אל־תהי צדיק הרבה
Don't think that you're such a big Tzaddik that you can let your guard down.
!אנא עבדא דקודשא בריך הוא

וּבְיָדְךָ כֹּחַ וּגְבוּרָה וּבְיָדְךָ לְגַדֵּל וּלְחַזֵּק לַכֹּל


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Re: filter.. or maybe not 11 Sep 2019 19:12 #343521

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sleepy, whats with all the metaphors?

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Re: filter.. or maybe not 12 Sep 2019 04:57 #343532

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sleepy wrote on 11 Sep 2019 20:25:
just a little humor , sorry.

since when dyou need to be sorry for being humorous?!
anyway I hit 3 whole full complete weeks clean, beh many more to come

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Re: filter.. or maybe not 12 Sep 2019 05:14 #343533

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Hey Jack, stick with us. 

Keep climbing the beanstalk, and I pray you don’t fall. 

I heard Gevura found a whole a pot of black j-beans, maybe you guys can open a private kiddush club up there. 


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Re: filter.. or maybe not 12 Sep 2019 10:35 #343534

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now that was a good pun/metaphor! 
its funny that my most real friends who want you to succeed, are the ones ill never know... 

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Re: filter.. or maybe not 12 Sep 2019 11:37 #343535

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jack123 wrote on 12 Sep 2019 10:35:
now that was a good pun/metaphor! 
its funny that my most real friends who want you to succeed, are the ones ill never know... 

Or maybe you already know....
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Re: filter.. or maybe not 12 Sep 2019 17:51 #343541

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sleepy wrote on 12 Sep 2019 14:14:

sleepy wrote on 12 Sep 2019 14:11:
sg, jack 123, might have been scared by that post,it really depends in what nigun it was read. 

or maybe not everyone is paranoid like i am...

I only see one way that it can be read, but I have no idea who he is. That was my point. We have no idea and therefore we might be talking yo ouw own brother here 

I'm major paranoid, but I've come to feel that if I'm 'caught' in recovery by people who are struggling themselves... well it might not be so bad afterall...
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Re: filter.. or maybe not 12 Sep 2019 18:20 #343542

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how is anyone meant to figure out who you are?
whats with the paranoia?
dunno I feel relatively safe and anonymous.
keep shteiging

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Re: filter.. or maybe not 12 Sep 2019 18:45 #343543

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It's been discuss elsewhere on the forum (Hashem Help Me mentioned it on his thread) that meeting fellows GYE members is a very liberating experience.  The forum provides anonymity, which allows its member to "unload" their burden and discuss/share freely about their struggles.  At the same time, sharing the burden with real people takes the recovery to a whole new level.  I'll admit that the thought of people finding out about my problems is terrifying, but if I have a chance encounter with another GYE member, it would probably be a powerful experience. Kind of catch 22
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Re: filter.. or maybe not 12 Sep 2019 18:52 #343545

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sleepy wrote on 12 Sep 2019 18:49:

jack123 wrote on 12 Sep 2019 18:20:
how is anyone meant to figure out who you are?
whats with the paranoia?
dunno I feel relatively safe and anonymous.
keep shteiging

its good to know that youre Jack and Chill

see now you know a bit more about me!!

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Re: filter.. or maybe not 14 Sep 2019 19:17 #343558

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quick thought
we leined this week bout יפת תאר where the torah was matir bc hkb"h knew that people wont be able to withstand the yetzer hora.
got me thinking; the only ONE situation the torah deems not withstandable is war. which needs understanding.
the answer is simple, in all other situations you have to make sure to avoid getting into the situation in the first place. of course once youre in it youre stuck, but why are you in it at all. wheras with war where the torah sent you to war [even if its milchemes reshus its still al pi Sanhedrin] so you have a rught to be there. therefore the torah is matir יפת תאר 
have a good week!
I don't mean to discourage anyone by this

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Re: filter.. or maybe not 16 Sep 2019 06:15 #343580

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AWESOME I beat my record of 24 days im 25 days!!!
closing in on a month
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Re: filter.. or maybe not 16 Sep 2019 11:24 #343583

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Mazel tov! If you can do 25 you can iyh do 250. It is obviously not a need. Did you ever hear of someone fasting or not sleeping for 25 days? The "pressure" we feel as time goes on is totally in the mind. Physically there is no explosive build up going on inside.... May HKBH help you continue breaking free.
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Re: filter.. or maybe not 16 Sep 2019 14:46 #343586

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thanks 

it helps when you have ppl pushing you along

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