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TOPIC: I AM HIGHER THAN ALL THIS!!! 28952 Views
Re: I AM HIGHER THAN ALL THIS!!! 22 May 2019 22:11 #341373
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Re: I AM HIGHER THAN ALL THIS!!! 23 May 2019 00:41 #341375
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stillgoing wrote on 22 May 2019 22:11:
Higher, in simple terms I believe the 'tool' surrendering is asking Hashem to take the problem from me, because I'm simply human and can not do anything without Him. (maybe some variation in the wording for an addict). This is what gedolim have done for generations, not a simple thing to accomplish, but something that can work for any of Hashems creations. (disclaimer, I may be understanding this wrong, but that is how it seems to me) i think your explanation is beautiful. i agree that thats the correct attitude for gedolim throughout the generations, because they are so healthy. (and they can honestly and maturely surrender) ironically, i can hear thats also the correct attitude for addicts, because they are so unhealthy. (and they are fully ready to surrender as well.) for a regular joe (or yossel) surrendering (as far as the tinsy bit that im aware of and i could be totally wrong), is a heavy madreigah of bitachon. perhaps i could hear echos of rav avigdor miller perhaps saying to mouth such words cuz it can eventually make a dent, however i think (just maybe) that for the average person those can/may be not only wholly insincere words, (on an emotional level) but also completely remove a person from truly being mishtadel to gaurd his eyes and just ''blame it on hashem''. a regular yossel (or joe) can and should be mishtadel and perhaps not ''just surrender'' which can be a distraction from the battle that hes facing and a runaway tactic when hes not running away rather just giving in. those precious words and thoughts of surrender have an effect-when they are wholly sincere. not so simple for a regular (wtvr!) to do cuz he thinks that he still has some muscle. p.s. this topic can be sensitive and this post definitely is. nothing i say is worth being considered seriously its just my own opinion. anyone that wants clarity on this should ask their rav.  Warning: Spoiler! |
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Re: I AM HIGHER THAN ALL THIS!!! 23 May 2019 02:21 #341376
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higher wrote on 23 May 2019 00:41:
stillgoing wrote on 22 May 2019 22:11: Higher, in simple terms I believe the 'tool' surrendering is asking Hashem to take the problem from me, because I'm simply human and can not do anything without Him. (maybe some variation in the wording for an addict). This is what gedolim have done for generations, not a simple thing to accomplish, but something that can work for any of Hashems creations. (disclaimer, I may be understanding this wrong, but that is how it seems to me) i think your explanation is beautiful. i agree that thats the correct attitude for gedolim throughout the generations, because they are so healthy. (and they can honestly and maturely surrender) ironically, i can hear thats also the correct attitude for addicts, because they are so unhealthy. (and they are fully ready to surrender as well.) for a regular joe (or yossel) surrendering (as far as the tinsy bit that im aware of and i could be totally wrong), is a heavy madreigah of bitachon. perhaps i could hear echos of rav avigdor miller perhaps saying to mouth such words cuz it can eventually make a dent, however i think (just maybe) that for the average person those can/may be not only wholly insincere words, (on an emotional level) but also completely remove a person from truly being mishtadel to gaurd his eyes and just ''blame it on hashem''. a regular yossel (or joe) can and should be mishtadel and perhaps not ''just surrender'' which can be a distraction from the battle that hes facing and a runaway tactic when hes not running away rather just giving in. those precious words and thoughts of surrender have an effect-when they are wholly sincere. not so simple for a regular (wtvr!) to do cuz he thinks that he still has some muscle. p.s. this topic can be sensitive and this post definitely is. nothing i say is worth being considered seriously its just my own opinion. anyone that wants clarity on this should ask their rav. Warning: Spoiler! Warning: Spoiler! |
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Re: I AM HIGHER THAN ALL THIS!!! 23 May 2019 02:41 #341378
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Markz wrote on 23 May 2019 02:21:
higher wrote on 23 May 2019 00:41: stillgoing wrote on 22 May 2019 22:11: Higher, in simple terms I believe the 'tool' surrendering is asking Hashem to take the problem from me, because I'm simply human and can not do anything without Him. (maybe some variation in the wording for an addict). This is what gedolim have done for generations, not a simple thing to accomplish, but something that can work for any of Hashems creations. (disclaimer, I may be understanding this wrong, but that is how it seems to me) i think your explanation is beautiful. i agree that thats the correct attitude for gedolim throughout the generations, because they are so healthy. (and they can honestly and maturely surrender) ironically, i can hear thats also the correct attitude for addicts, because they are so unhealthy. (and they are fully ready to surrender as well.) for a regular joe (or yossel) surrendering (as far as the tinsy bit that im aware of and i could be totally wrong), is a heavy madreigah of bitachon. perhaps i could hear echos of rav avigdor miller perhaps saying to mouth such words cuz it can eventually make a dent, however i think (just maybe) that for the average person those can/may be not only wholly insincere words, (on an emotional level) but also completely remove a person from truly being mishtadel to gaurd his eyes and just ''blame it on hashem''. a regular yossel (or joe) can and should be mishtadel and perhaps not ''just surrender'' which can be a distraction from the battle that hes facing and a runaway tactic when hes not running away rather just giving in. those precious words and thoughts of surrender have an effect-when they are wholly sincere. not so simple for a regular (wtvr!) to do cuz he thinks that he still has some muscle. p.s. this topic can be sensitive and this post definitely is. nothing i say is worth being considered seriously its just my own opinion. anyone that wants clarity on this should ask their rav. Warning: Spoiler! Warning: Spoiler!You only need a Rav if you don't have clarity. |
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Re: I AM HIGHER THAN ALL THIS!!! 23 May 2019 04:10 #341379
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cordnoy wrote on 23 May 2019 02:41:
Markz wrote on 23 May 2019 02:21: higher wrote on 23 May 2019 00:41: stillgoing wrote on 22 May 2019 22:11: Higher, in simple terms I believe the 'tool' surrendering is asking Hashem to take the problem from me, because I'm simply human and can not do anything without Him. (maybe some variation in the wording for an addict). This is what gedolim have done for generations, not a simple thing to accomplish, but something that can work for any of Hashems creations. (disclaimer, I may be understanding this wrong, but that is how it seems to me) i think your explanation is beautiful. i agree that thats the correct attitude for gedolim throughout the generations, because they are so healthy. (and they can honestly and maturely surrender) ironically, i can hear thats also the correct attitude for addicts, because they are so unhealthy. (and they are fully ready to surrender as well.) for a regular joe (or yossel) surrendering (as far as the tinsy bit that im aware of and i could be totally wrong), is a heavy madreigah of bitachon. perhaps i could hear echos of rav avigdor miller perhaps saying to mouth such words cuz it can eventually make a dent, however i think (just maybe) that for the average person those can/may be not only wholly insincere words, (on an emotional level) but also completely remove a person from truly being mishtadel to gaurd his eyes and just ''blame it on hashem''. a regular yossel (or joe) can and should be mishtadel and perhaps not ''just surrender'' which can be a distraction from the battle that hes facing and a runaway tactic when hes not running away rather just giving in. those precious words and thoughts of surrender have an effect-when they are wholly sincere. not so simple for a regular (wtvr!) to do cuz he thinks that he still has some muscle. p.s. this topic can be sensitive and this post definitely is. nothing i say is worth being considered seriously its just my own opinion. anyone that wants clarity on this should ask their rav. Warning: Spoiler! Warning: Spoiler!You only need a Rav if you don't have clarity. ??? i guess asei lecha rav means all those that dont have clarity. with all due respect what text pirkei avos do you have? (aside from the fact that in sensitive issues we probably shouldnt be trustin' ourselves too much) Warning: Spoiler! |
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my thread:https:guardyoureyes.com/forum/4-On-the-Way-to-90-Days/340817-I-AM-HIGHER-THAN-ALL-THIS!!!#340817
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Re: I AM HIGHER THAN ALL THIS!!! 23 May 2019 04:16 #341380
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Markz wrote on 23 May 2019 02:21:
higher wrote on 23 May 2019 00:41: stillgoing wrote on 22 May 2019 22:11: Higher, in simple terms I believe the 'tool' surrendering is asking Hashem to take the problem from me, because I'm simply human and can not do anything without Him. (maybe some variation in the wording for an addict). This is what gedolim have done for generations, not a simple thing to accomplish, but something that can work for any of Hashems creations. (disclaimer, I may be understanding this wrong, but that is how it seems to me) i think your explanation is beautiful. i agree that thats the correct attitude for gedolim throughout the generations, because they are so healthy. (and they can honestly and maturely surrender) ironically, i can hear thats also the correct attitude for addicts, because they are so unhealthy. (and they are fully ready to surrender as well.) for a regular joe (or yossel) surrendering (as far as the tinsy bit that im aware of and i could be totally wrong), is a heavy madreigah of bitachon. perhaps i could hear echos of rav avigdor miller perhaps saying to mouth such words cuz it can eventually make a dent, however i think (just maybe) that for the average person those can/may be not only wholly insincere words, (on an emotional level) but also completely remove a person from truly being mishtadel to gaurd his eyes and just ''blame it on hashem''. a regular yossel (or joe) can and should be mishtadel and perhaps not ''just surrender'' which can be a distraction from the battle that hes facing and a runaway tactic when hes not running away rather just giving in. those precious words and thoughts of surrender have an effect-when they are wholly sincere. not so simple for a regular (wtvr!) to do cuz he thinks that he still has some muscle. p.s. this topic can be sensitive and this post definitely is. nothing i say is worth being considered seriously its just my own opinion. anyone that wants clarity on this should ask their rav. Warning: Spoiler! Warning: Spoiler!lol. on a serious note, i think i was pretty clear that this is just my opinnion, i dont have clarity but im not taking the sentiment that others are taking as a simple fact as a given either (that surrendering is for regulars) i could probably ask a daas torah in a roundabout way-or maybe even bluntly. Warning: Spoiler! |
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my thread:https:guardyoureyes.com/forum/4-On-the-Way-to-90-Days/340817-I-AM-HIGHER-THAN-ALL-THIS!!!#340817
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Re: I AM HIGHER THAN ALL THIS!!! 23 May 2019 08:53 #341384
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Re: I AM HIGHER THAN ALL THIS!!! 24 May 2019 01:19 #341398
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higher wrote: however i think (just maybe) that for the average person those can/may be not only wholly insincere words, (on an emotional level) but also completely remove a person from truly being mishtadel to gaurd his eyes and just ''blame it on hashem''. a regular yossel (or joe) can and should be mishtadel and perhaps not ''just surrender'' which can be a distraction from the battle that hes facing and a runaway tactic when hes not running away rather just giving in. those precious words and thoughts of surrender have an effect-when they are wholly sincere. not so simple for a regular (wtvr!) to do cuz he thinks that he still has some muscle. growstrong responded: I think that theres still a misunderstanding here as to what surrender actually means... Also i feel a little bit like this is the YH talking trying to justify why its better to look at women on the street because at least im partaking in a battle which is what Hashem wants from me! Surrender isn't letting go of histadlut and blaming it on Hashem... When i drive past a beautiful girl and my brain and heart tells me wow i wanna look at that, and enjoy that beauty and not from a healthy place - i am making a massive histadlut by letting go of that desire to look and driving past without looking. Instead of surrendering to that base desire to lust after that gorgeous girl i surrender the action of looking. In other words - all we are doing every time we are faced with a choice is surrendering. Every time you want to fight the YH and not look but end up looking you surrendered... Only difference is you surrendered to the YH instead of surrendering the YH. Most of us lusters are highly experienced at surrender... We do it ALL the time... Its a paradigm shift to surrender it instead of surrendering to it. As i grow the muscle it becomes less of a struggle and more natural to surrender my base desires to 'drink' in the beauty... but ultimately its still a choice i have to make every single time. Am i going to surrender my rights to look or am i going to surrender to my YH and look. Does this make more sense?thanks for your explanation. so higher wrote back: i will say that i have very little knowledge as to what surrendering really is, i only know what ive gleaned from this site. im not clear as to what your surrendering by doing a hishtadlus NOT to look. that sounds like fighting lust. whats up with the word surrender. just not clear how the emphasis on that aspect clarifies anything. (maybe i dont nderstand the concept of surrendering to hashem well enough. what does that mean even to give up your lust. you have lust. thats a reality. you have to fight it. you have to fight to avoid the fight. no???? again-for non addicts, and just my thoughts, not worth much for the public.) also, the phrases ive heard until now went something like this ''Hashem i am POWERLESS against this nisayon please help'' THAT expression-''powerless'' is exactly what im focusing on and is the subject of discussion. finally, this is not at all a trick from the yetzer hara to look at improper things. this is an honest disussion as to a possible correct approach for non addicts. could be what you said is correct. i dont understand why though. which is totally ok, too. p.s. revenge#342567 of the messed up qoute button!!! |
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Re: I AM HIGHER THAN ALL THIS!!! 24 May 2019 05:10 #341408
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Re: I AM HIGHER THAN ALL THIS!!! 24 May 2019 06:23 #341409
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Re: I AM HIGHER THAN ALL THIS!!! 27 May 2019 03:17 #341453
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Re: I AM HIGHER THAN ALL THIS!!! 27 May 2019 03:29 #341454
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Re: I AM HIGHER THAN ALL THIS!!! 27 May 2019 03:31 #341455
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Re: I AM HIGHER THAN ALL THIS!!! 28 May 2019 03:23 #341491
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Re: I AM HIGHER THAN ALL THIS!!! 30 May 2019 00:37 #341524
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