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Re: Bi Bocher about to get married 08 Jun 2023 04:05 #397114

when people ask for advice here, they mean to ask what worked for other people who were in the same situation and how they dealt with those difficulties. rarely are people looking for a psak
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Re: Bi Bocher about to get married 08 Jun 2023 04:21 #397118

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cordnoy wrote on 08 Jun 2023 03:40:

My personal leanin's would be towards telling somethin', but for you (unless you're the gadol hador in somethin') to state unequivocally that your way is correct and any Rav/mentor/specialist who disagrees with his highness is disrespectin' women is simply hogwash, especially on account that you never met the groom or the bride.

Godspeed to all

Thanks Cord’

I agree with you in concept.


There is one important point that must be made - many prominent rabbis are not really well versed with too much experience on such questions, and in reality this is a very serious situation which oftentimes directly affects the marriage!!

So I would hesitate to say we tell everyone to listen to the rabbi of their choice.
Btw some therapists also reside under a rock, so tread carefully there too. 

Ask a rabbi / professional who is in the trenches on the topic. 
I trust you have someone like this. 


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Re: Bi Bocher about to get married 08 Jun 2023 06:17 #397119

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Thank you everyone for ur input. 
I’m ok but I think the things I needed to hear which were reassuring I heard. I don’t need a massive back and forth. The main things I needed to hear was that it’s possible to live a fully normal married life. In terms of arguing please don’t fight on my post. We are all supposed to be helping each other. All of us need chizuk that’s why we’re here. I’m not looking for a psak from anyone but my poiskim and I’m also not interested in anyone here arguing in halocha in matters that none of us know very well. The gist of what I’ve gained from this post is that I know it’s possible to be happily married with the issues I’ve had, but I need to keep on working on myself. 
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Re: Bi Bocher about to get married 08 Jun 2023 12:12 #397130

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Zag xx wrote on 08 Jun 2023 06:17:
Thank you everyone for ur input. 
I’m ok but I think the things I needed to hear which were reassuring I heard. I don’t need a massive back and forth. The main things I needed to hear was that it’s possible to live a fully normal married life. In terms of arguing please don’t fight on my post. We are all supposed to be helping each other. All of us need chizuk that’s why we’re here. I’m not looking for a psak from anyone but my poiskim and I’m also not interested in anyone here arguing in halocha in matters that none of us know very well. The gist of what I’ve gained from this post is that I know it’s possible to be happily married with the issues I’ve had, but I need to keep on working on myself. 
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Re: Bi Bocher about to get married 08 Jun 2023 13:32 #397132

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Re: Bi Bocher about to get married 08 Jun 2023 13:57 #397134

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Zag xx wrote on 08 Jun 2023 06:17:
Thank you everyone for ur input. 
I’m ok but I think the things I needed to hear which were reassuring I heard. I don’t need a massive back and forth. The main things I needed to hear was that it’s possible to live a fully normal married life. In terms of arguing please don’t fight on my post. We are all supposed to be helping each other. All of us need chizuk that’s why we’re here. I’m not looking for a psak from anyone but my poiskim and I’m also not interested in anyone here arguing in halocha in matters that none of us know very well. The gist of what I’ve gained from this post is that I know it’s possible to be happily married with the issues I’ve had, but I need to keep on working on myself. 
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Re: Bi Bocher about to get married 08 Jun 2023 16:15 #397142

Foolie wrote on 08 Jun 2023 04:04:

Trying99 wrote on 08 Jun 2023 01:03:

Foolie wrote on 07 Jun 2023 21:22:
It was directed at the gentleman telling you to tell her. I promise you if I followed his advice we wouldn’t be having this conversation because I wouldn’t be around to have it with you as it’s kind of hard to type when you’re buried six feet under

This is incredibly manipulative. It is not an either or, either you hide this fact about yourself from your wife or you end up dead. There is a middle ground. I have some close friends who told their wife about their orientation before they got married and their wives accepted them and still married them. 

The amount of disrespect that I see on this forum towards women is really astounding. This is not about telling your wife everything about your past but generally within heterosexual relationships there's an expectation that the person you are marrying is also a heterosexual, if that is not the case then the person has a right to know and to make an informed decision.

It’s nice how you take a specific piece of personal information that was meant in reference to one person’s situation and then twist it to your own needs so you can once again make the point that you think we have no respect for our wives because we didn’t spill our guts on your timetable. Rather it is you who has an axe to grind and a specific agenda you are trying to push and this isn’t the place for it 

You can call it an agenda, you can call it an axe, you can call it whatever you want. No matter how hard you try there is zero justification for hiding such a crucial piece of information about yourself from the person you are about to marry. Have a nice day.

Re: Bi Bocher about to get married 08 Jun 2023 16:51 #397143

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Re: Bi Bocher about to get married 08 Jun 2023 17:03 #397144

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Re: Bi Bocher about to get married 08 Jun 2023 17:42 #397146

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Foolie wrote on 08 Jun 2023 16:51:
In your not so humble opinion. Have a great day

Foolie I like your posts!

It’s nothing to do with humility (The gold medal is mine already, he came too late!!!!!)

He feels passionately about his opinion, which no one can argue has a grain of truth. 

I would ask Gye to automate a post footer for everyone saying “This is what works / would work for me. 

This and a lechaim with y’all”

It would lower the heat and trim this thread to half the size 
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Re: Bi Bocher about to get married 08 Jun 2023 17:53 #397147

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Markz wrote on 08 Jun 2023 17:42:

Foolie wrote on 08 Jun 2023 16:51:
In your not so humble opinion. Have a great day

Foolie I like your posts!

It’s nothing to do with humility (The gold medal is mine already, he came too late!!!!!)

He feels passionately about his opinion, which no one can argue has a grain of truth. 

I would ask Gye to automate a post footer for everyone saying “This is what works / would work for me. 

This and a lechaim with y’all”

It would lower the heat and trim this thread to half the size 

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Re: Bi Bocher about to get married 08 Jun 2023 18:57 #397152

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Never posted before , but I feel the urge to say something.
The one thing that you seem to be forgetting Dear Mr. trying is probably the most important.
This is mostly a website used by Frum Yidden.
As such any decisions about something as sensitive as this is to be made exclusively by a persons Rav Hopefully in conjunction with his therapist.

Seems like Zagg is doing exactly what he is supposed to be whether you agree or not.
He may be in for a slightly bumpy ride but he at least knows that he is doing the right thing
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Re: Bi Bocher about to get married 08 Jun 2023 18:58 #397153

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Trying99 wrote on 08 Jun 2023 18:10:
If and when you guys manage to muster up some consideration for the women you're planning on marrying or are already married to,  there are websites created by spouses of people who did not disclose fundamental parts about themselves. Maybe their stories can give you an insight into what it feels like to be lied by by someone who conceals important information about themselves before getting married. 


Lose the holier than thou attitude buddy it looks very poor on you
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Re: Bi Bocher about to get married 08 Jun 2023 19:13 #397156

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I wanna point out that the mechaber of this thread did not ask advice about tellin' his future wife or not; that was determined by his Rabbis and perhaps therapist (although I'm not sure I'm rememberin' that accurately). He asked about his future feelin's and how it may effect his marriage.

Personally, I would've liked if he asked about his wife's feelin's as well, and sadly, I didn't notice that in any of his posts, maybe one. I'm sure, however, that is on his mind as well.

Regardless, it does seem that he is comfortable with his decision of not disclosin' and he has some level of assurance that marriage may be ok for him.

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Re: Bi Bocher about to get married 08 Jun 2023 19:59 #397160

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cordnoy wrote on 08 Jun 2023 19:13:
I wanna point out that the mechaber of this thread did not ask advice about tellin' his future wife or not; that was determined by his Rabbis and perhaps therapist (although I'm not sure I'm rememberin' that accurately). He asked about his future feelin's and how it may effect his marriage.

Personally, I would've liked if he asked about his wife's feelin's as well, and sadly, I didn't notice that in any of his posts, maybe one. I'm sure, however, that is on his mind as well.

Regardless, it does seem that he is comfortable with his decision of not disclosin' and he has some level of assurance that marriage may be ok for him.

Godspeed to all

Presumably his (future) wife's feelings is part of the considerations of his Rabbi/Rebbi/therapist/etc. when guiding him. 
On this forum he is asking about his own feelings, hopes, fears etc.


Oh BTW Zag, Mazel Tov! May you be Zoche to a happy and fulfilling marriage.

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