If you're Litvish and starting to melt a little, you've probably been hanging with too many chassidim here.

Ahem

Shlomo24 wrote:

The question why chiloynim would even care about shmiras einayim. 

I don't know if you're serious but it can't hurt to make this point: Non - Jews care about lust recovery for exactly the same reason I do. I have zero religious motivation to not act out. But when I act out, I am insane. I can't take care of my basic needs, I feel like complete garbage, I put myself in danger, I can't be present, it runs my life, I'm dishonest with people, I'm not consistent, amongst many other things. None of what I mentioned has anything to do with religion. It's about living a healthy and productive life. Not about avoiding hell. For people who don't have it as serious, they might not... But they might because they realize by lusting after people they are objectifying them and not viewing them as humans. By watching porn they can be supporting an abusive industry, etc.

ehrliche.bochur wrote on 04 Aug 2016 05:24:

I'm actually thinking of deleting this disgusting comment. As it probably came to many people's emails, I cannot sit idle without noting my utter distaste.

cordnoy wrote on 04 Aug 2016 10:19:

Cordony, you can delete if you decide so,
But maybe it's just the right time to teach those who don't know yet, that there are many goyim, cheloynim.... who have nothing to do with  torha and gehenom and still remain sober.
SA and the 12 step program wasn't set up by Jews.

If you waited in line for 100 days as Cordnoy requested please close the curtain and cast yours

It's interesting that gye is majorly winning the vote, but the impression that i get from most of the people here that I've "met" with long sobriety, say that gye was only the springboard (although very important) to bring them to the next level of sobriety. I wonder if the majority who voted gye was actually fooling ourselves that we are sober......   don't shoot - just a thought

The answer may depend on whether you define “sober” as “not acting out” or as “not needing/wanting to act out”. 

Gevura Shebyesod wrote on 25 Nov 2018 19:06:

Yes, that's basically what I meant. I don't consider “not acting out” as being sober. My chart defines how many days I white knuckled. That's a dry drunk. not sobriety. no?