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Re: Big Steps 21 Jul 2016 19:22 #292440

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Re: Big Steps 21 Jul 2016 20:33 #292442

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Hey, welcome back dude!! I know I haven't been here much either, so it's kinda oxymoronic for me to say, but still. I'm so happy to hear the good news about you. KOMT bro!!

Re: Big Steps 22 Jul 2016 03:23 #292459

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Great to have you back 
been missing your smiley face around 
you gonna be giving us some ESH?
Soberity is a journey NOT a destination 
 

Re: Big Steps 22 Jul 2016 03:29 #292460

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Aryeh821 wrote on 22 Jul 2016 03:23:
Great to have you back 
been missing your smiley face around 
you gonna be giving us some ESH?

God willing that is my plan. To give and receive ESH. I'm in a really different place in life so I'm not sure how often I will post. I might sit in the background and pop up when I think that I should write something.
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Re: Big Steps 22 Jul 2016 04:20 #292464

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Re: Big Steps 22 Jul 2016 08:24 #292479

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Markz wrote,
If Gd forbid you are ever confronted in future please give me a call 24/7

I'm not a ruv, and I sure don't have any experience with addiction.
Just wondering what would be the haluche for a real addict when he needs to call his sponser on shabbos? 
 
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Re: Big Steps 22 Jul 2016 11:48 #292489

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I would suggest one asks their Rav, but in my experience, all whom have asked have been granted permission.
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Re: Big Steps 22 Jul 2016 13:04 #292492

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Shlomo24 wrote on 22 Jul 2016 11:48:
I would suggest one asks their Rav, but in my experience, all whom have asked have been granted permission.


Shlomo,
First, welcome back. Nice to see you around.

Second, are you saying that from real experience? From my understanding of the Jalapa and they weren't it probably for about eight years, it would really very much depends on how severe the addiction is, what sin the person is going to engage in, and what their history is, and I find it hard to believe that "all" are allowed.

Re: Big Steps 22 Jul 2016 13:09 #292493

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Workingguy wrote on 22 Jul 2016 13:04:

Shlomo24 wrote on 22 Jul 2016 11:48:
I would suggest one asks their Rav, but in my experience, all whom have asked have been granted permission.


Shlomo,
First, welcome back. Nice to see you around.

Second, are you saying that from real experience? From my understanding of the Jalapa and they weren't it probably for about eight years, it would really very much depends on how severe the addiction is, what sin the person is going to engage in, and what their history is, and I find it hard to believe that "all" are allowed.

Thanks for the welcome! Yup, every addict I know who has asked has been granted permission. One posek even challenged a friend of mine to tell him why it's ASUR.
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Re: Big Steps 22 Jul 2016 13:22 #292494

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doingtshuva wrote:
Markz wrote,
If Gd forbid you are ever confronted in future please give me a call 24/7

I'm not a ruv, and I sure don't have any experience with addiction.
Just wondering what would be the haluche for a real addict when he needs to call his sponser on shabbos? 

 

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Re: Big Steps 22 Jul 2016 17:07 #292500

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Desecrating Shabbos is forbidden.
Rulings from anonymous posters are not to be relied upon.
A person who received permission for his particular situation should rely on that.

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Re: Big Steps 24 Jul 2016 21:18 #292569

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Regarding chilul Shabbos for addiction, please see pages 19 - 22 of this PDF file by Rabbi Kagenoff, from his Safer called "Addictions: Halacha & Hashkafa" 

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Re: Big Steps 24 Jul 2016 22:47 #292572

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And make sure he conducts himself accordingly the other six days of the week as well.
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Re: Big Steps 25 Jul 2016 02:56 #292582

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cordnoy wrote on 24 Jul 2016 22:47:
And make sure he conducts himself accordingly the other six days of the week as well.

Good point, Reb Cords. 
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Re: Big Steps 25 Jul 2016 06:06 #292593

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For the record, I understand someone who goes to meetings, has a sponsor, lives and breathes with the program, etc. and to him, a fall might be disastrous, perhaps there might be a heter, and of course one should ask, but to many over here, they are not at that stage, and there is a good chance that call won't make much of a difference. So, let's be clear who we are talking to.

 
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