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Re: Solutions for Tonight 15 Dec 2015 19:44 #271414

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I am not sure I would say one can cheat on his lust although I certainly think if one falls its doesn't mean all is over. What I did say was that one can work out a diet plan in which during special times like during a Shabbos seuda he is not on a diet or only on a semi diet whereas the rest of the times its a strict diet. Perhaps so too with lust during more loser times ike when with ones wife some lust otherwise no lust.

Re: Solutions for Tonight 15 Dec 2015 19:50 #271416

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Waydown your assumption is that regular eating is lust, and dieting is by special regulations
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Re: Solutions for Tonight 15 Dec 2015 20:22 #271423

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Look Markz,

Its not an exact moshol the point is that one on a diet must alter his eating habits but that doesn't mean never give into his unhealthy way within reason.

Re: Solutions for Tonight 15 Dec 2015 22:30 #271438

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waydown wrote:
"Hashivalisesonyishecho'

Yes very true I am here because I have problems with lust. but who says its has to do with how it manifests with my wife? Its has t with my bad habits which are maybe an addiction and maybe not. If its an addiction then I must stay far away from lust including me wife. However, if its not an addiction so then perhaps challenging my lust towards my wife well help as it has helped recently?


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Re: Solutions for Tonight 16 Dec 2015 01:15 #271466

waydown wrote:

Re "maybe we are mechuyav to strive for it by moving the needle bit by bit. "
Yes I totally agree that an ultimate goal can be no lust even with one's wife. And I think BenTorah.BaalHabayis did allude to the fact that he is a kollel guy or at least learned. As such I think its wise to learn shulcah arauch orach chaim siman kuf mem (I tihink its kuf mem) where he discusses hilchos tashmish. I found this to be one of the most challenging halachos in Shulchan aruch. It gives us an eye opener where a yid should be holding in life. That being said, people as myself who have serious lust problems, here is how I would like to move the needle bit by bit. First stay clean for whatever 90 days ,100 days etc.. In the interim continue lusting for my wife whom its "normal" to lust for. Once I have reached a goal of controlling my lust, then I can say ok let move the needle up and now try not to lust for my wife. But when I am on day 2 or day 3 of my clean streak that thought is off the charts.


In case you're wondering, I'm still in Kollel half day. That doesn't mean I'm learned...
Anyway, I have gone though Siman Kuf Mem in the past and I feel like it's wayyyy above me. I actually sometimes resent the fact that the lights have to be off be'shas tashmish, but I guess I've caused it to myself because of all my lusting and porn viewing. There's no halacha that one must view porn in the dark...
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1 day may be too long for me, but I take it OWAAT = One wave at a time, cause the lust comes and goes like a wave which rises and crashes.

Re: Solutions for Tonight 16 Dec 2015 02:14 #271476

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waydown wrote:
But it does circle back to my original question a while back.


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Re: Solutions for Tonight 17 Dec 2015 18:05 #271635

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This topic has been going round and round for a while on this and other threads.

Waydown, I agree with some of what you wrote so I want to tweak what I wrote above, and it's actually something I read on another thread.
The progress we aim for is to move the needle, but there is an attitude that is indeed binary, and that is we commit not to lust at all.
This is also the balance to ODAAT.

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Re: Solutions for Tonight 17 Dec 2015 20:24 #271641

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Firstly, a correction, I meant siman Resh mem not kuf mem.

Yes I am in the same boat as you. I also feel its way above me and also don't like the lights off thing and many other halachohs. Like I said its one of the hardest halachos to keep. But my feeling is even if its above us its important to know what the true torah way is. We should at-least know what's expected of us.

Anyhow doesn't it say put on black and go into hiding when one sins? I guess that's sort of like watching porn in the dark?

Re: Solutions for Tonight 17 Dec 2015 20:32 #271644

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waydown wrote:
Firstly, a correction, I meant siman Resh mem not kuf mem.

Yes I am in the same boat as you. I also feel its way above me and also don't like the lights off thing and many other halachohs. Like I said its one of the hardest halachos to keep. But my feeling is even if its above us its important to know what the true torah way is. We should at-least know what's expected of us.

PLEASE don't take this the wrong way but my chosson teacher who knew me better than anyone else in the world gave me specific guidelines which details in that siman were not meant for me to observe.
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Anyhow doesn't it say put on black and go into hiding when one sins? I guess that's sort of like watching porn in the dark?

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Re: Solutions for Tonight 17 Dec 2015 21:04 #271649

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waydown wrote:
Here is how I perceive selfish. Selfish is about satisfying ones need's while causing harm to another individual. I am not convinced that lust always causes harm to someone else.
Here's how I perceive selfish. Doing something for the sole purpose of satisfying ones self.

Also, many people come here and think their lusting doesn't harm anyone else. Many came to realize that they were wrong (even if their wife never "found out").

This was one of my breakthrough realizations. I did not understand it at first, and had no idea that my addiction had anything to do with selfishness.

Re: Solutions for Tonight 17 Dec 2015 21:15 #271650

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Here's how I perceive selfish: Doing something primarily to satisfy oneself.
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Re: Solutions for Tonight 17 Dec 2015 21:21 #271652

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Maybe "primarily" is a better word. Either way, it does not necessarily hurt another, although it often unwittingly does.

Re: Solutions for Tonight 17 Dec 2015 21:21 #271653

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One may be the most generous person in the world, but if you even want the feel-good feelin' of givin', you are selfish.
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Re: Solutions for Tonight 17 Dec 2015 21:57 #271662

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cordnoy wrote:
One may be the most generous person in the world, but if you even want the feel-good feelin' of givin', you are selfish.
Pirush (let me know if I'm way off mark. Btw I'm only replying to Cord, I don't know what it says previously. Cos I have a thick head and as a policy do not read long drashas, especially if there are posts swinging around and around and around the thread

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If you want that feeling you're selfish
If you enjoy sex you're normal
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Re: Solutions for Tonight 17 Dec 2015 21:59 #271663

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Nice.
However, since normal and selfish are not contradictory I'm still waiting for the other shoe to drop.
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