Yosef Tikun HaYesod wrote on 26 Dec 2016 21:35:

Why a shidduch?! I would say he's more like a teacher. If you don't understand something, ask.

Thanks for the action tonight guys, I see this place can have some!

Markz wrote on 26 Dec 2016 18:06:

Seems you are confusing his "Desperadoes call" with the new morning call. The new call doesn't require getting "real" and calling Dov before hand. You can just listen in, or send in your questions before hand.

cordnoy wrote on 26 Dec 2016 20:26:

Dov and I play "good cop, bad cop". But we're both on the same team . You see, we want people to come to GYE, play around while staying in hiding, get slowly comfortable, learn about recovery, and then start getting real.

You can't play a game without having someone play against you. But we're both playing the same game.

Woops. I just gave out the secret. 

Yosef Tikun HaYesod wrote on 26 Dec 2016 20:54:


LOL. We fooled you guys good.

unanumun wrote on 26 Dec 2016 21:30:

Unanumun, please forgive me. You are right, I shouldn't have used such language. I was just a little shocked when Dov called me today that no one called in.

You are a wonderful GYE success story, and we all salute you. The whole GYE would have been worth it for you alone! Halevai more of our members should be like you. Keep up the good work! 

Rebbe you are the Jug of lightheartedNess which is why I plussed your Karma and is now גימטריא of פח שמן!

Unanuman was justifiably shaken up

Imagine if GYE would be disbanded... 

Actually please don't!

the.guard wrote on 26 Dec 2016 22:59:

II clicked "thank you" here, for I think it is a nice mehalech. Personally, I don't think that is your real intention though. Call me skeptical....oops, that name is taken already.

Workingguy wrote on 26 Dec 2016 18:30:

OOr supposed to be driving kids to school time if I'd actually be up on time which never happens.

Watson wrote on 26 Dec 2016 22:02:

watson don't you think that by a shidduch you should also ask when you don't understand:stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:
personally the time doesn't work for me as I'm in israel and running to shiur then

i was so excited when the first email about the call when out and had it at 9. but 8 is impossible. my wife leaves to work before i do and i get to do breakfast and getting the kids out. but i love GYE as a whole and its helping change my life

By the way, another point:

TheseI calls are recorded.
People on GYE are in hidin'.
They don't want their voice recorded forI the public and for posterity.

cordnoy wrote on 27 Dec 2016 13:58:

Clarification: the first ten minutes are not recorded. Additionally, you can ask questions via email.

the.guard wrote on 26 Dec 2016 22:59:


A good-cop bad-cop scenario can get the offender to spill the beans, but the criminal does not then talk to the 'bad-cop', they run from him. In the example of GYE, Dov is the 'bad-cop'. If that's the strategy, then the call makes no sense. 

personally, I've been helped tremendously by gye, and my entire life has been changed, which is why I've been very offended whenever I hear Dov putting down this site and those who use it. It would be hard to open up and accept advice from someone who tells me that all of my recovery work for the last two years on gye and those connected with it is fake.
Its not.

I saw the chizuk email and I really can't believe that Guard put in that GYE is on the verge of closing down (unless it is).

It's really crying wolf, and I'd add that maybe you have to ask yourself- if not enough people are taking to the call- is it THEM or is it ME? Was it the wrong time, wrong guy, wrong format- what about this aren't my subscribers/members taking to?

I love Dov and spoke to him for an hour once, and I don't want to talk about him in a specific way, but let's just say this- he has a style. A specific style and way of speaking. And while many people love it and learn tons from it, we've also seen people who don't understand him, don't get it, or are too shocked by his very forward style.

I don't think that, for people who can't handle it, it's just that they can't handle truth or that they aren't willing to do enough to get sober. For some people-even people who DO end up going to live groups-the style is just not one they can get used to.

But I don't personally think that's what it is. I haven't heard one person say- oh 8 am, I'm perfectly available then. And I know you have to make yourself available, but that may be one of the worst times for a lot of people.