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Re: could DEALING with my EMOTIONS CORRECTLY be the.. 08 Sep 2017 11:14 #319992

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A large amount of my emotional issues stem from an unhealthy need of validation and acceptance from others causing me to be a people pleaser in an extreme fashion. Any perceived rejection kills me. I believe this is an issue of codependence. It may stem from an emotional issue of insecurity why i need that validation in the first place. Does that explain it?
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Re: could DEALING with my EMOTIONS CORRECTLY be the.. 08 Sep 2017 12:47 #319995

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acceptance wrote on 08 Sep 2017 11:05:
First things first.

I am not sure what you mean by "I would like to point out that what you are saying now is much different than what you were saying in the beginning."

In the beginning I was saying that I act out because of my inability to handle my emotions, I still stick to that.

Could be that other people when they feel fine and dandy they still feel a urge to act out, I personally don't relate to that because when I am feeling good, when I have serenity, I don't feel any inclination to drink poison, in the same way I don't feel any inclination to act out when I have serenity because I am enjoying life without it (acting out)!

I also don't understand in what way lust is different to any emotion, for example, anger.
here's an example as to how I see/experience it.

1)I don't feel good, 2)I try to change how I feel by willing myself to feel differently, does not work , 3)I start to feel angry, why I do I feel this way, 4)I get even more angry that about the fact that I feel angry, 5)I lash out, 6)I get more upset, 7)I break something - hurt someones feelings etc. Bottom line, my original negative feelings are still there and my attempts to change the way I feel lead to disaster. I need to give up trying to control how I feel. I need to let my HP do what ever He wants to do with out me getting in the way with my ego and self will.

now I will apply the above scenario lust:

1)I don't feel good, 2)I start to feel lust (as a means to feel better), why I do I feel this way, 3)I get even upset about the fact that I feel lust, 4)I act out, 5)I get more upset, 6)I act out more - feel more lustful etc. Bottom line, my original negative feelings are still there and my attempts to change the way I feel lead to disaster. I need to give up trying to control how I feel. I need to let my HP do what ever He wants to do with out me getting in the way with my ego and self will.

For me lust is an emotion like any negative emotion, yes, lust causes me to take action (act out) but so does any any negative emotion, think anger, jealousy, sadness etc. each in its own way. You might say that lust causes worse damage but I'm not convinced, I think sadness/depression can be just as damaging and devastating.

Lastly, I don't know much about Codependence Anonymous, but what I did see it seems that codependence anonymous deals with with unhealthy relationships with other people.

Emotions Anonymous deals with unhealthy emotions in ourselves and our inability to use just our will to change them.

There probably is a lot of similarities between CoDA & EA and I'm sure that a lot of the issues overlap but what I'm not clear about is, If you are having trouble with your own feelings and that they are causing you all sorts of problems, why would Codependence Anonymous be the answer? I would have thought that Emotions Anonymous would be a better match. 

Please feel free to set me straight about anything I've said, I'm not looking to be right, I'm only looking for emotional sobriety.

The truth is that just talking (typing) to you guys is tremendously helpful!

As an outsider to anonymous groups, I surmise that the benefit of AA and moreso SA is that in these groups by baring one's darkest secrets it firstly helps put ones ego in a better place and also engenders MUCH more openness and honesty. All relevant emotions can then come to light to when one works on resentment...  
Whereas a sexaholic keeping secrets and coming to a EA meeting saying I feel stress, or even "I feel lustful", when he's trying to stay in the driver seat figuring out his underlying emotions, I'm not sure sobriety will be found there as fast...

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Re: could DEALING with my EMOTIONS CORRECTLY be the.. 08 Sep 2017 19:23 #320005

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Markz wrote on 08 Sep 2017 12:47:

acceptance wrote on 08 Sep 2017 11:05:
First things first.

I am not sure what you mean by "I would like to point out that what you are saying now is much different than what you were saying in the beginning."

In the beginning I was saying that I act out because of my inability to handle my emotions, I still stick to that.

Could be that other people when they feel fine and dandy they still feel a urge to act out, I personally don't relate to that because when I am feeling good, when I have serenity, I don't feel any inclination to drink poison, in the same way I don't feel any inclination to act out when I have serenity because I am enjoying life without it (acting out)!

I also don't understand in what way lust is different to any emotion, for example, anger.
here's an example as to how I see/experience it.

1)I don't feel good, 2)I try to change how I feel by willing myself to feel differently, does not work , 3)I start to feel angry, why I do I feel this way, 4)I get even more angry that about the fact that I feel angry, 5)I lash out, 6)I get more upset, 7)I break something - hurt someones feelings etc. Bottom line, my original negative feelings are still there and my attempts to change the way I feel lead to disaster. I need to give up trying to control how I feel. I need to let my HP do what ever He wants to do with out me getting in the way with my ego and self will.

now I will apply the above scenario lust:

1)I don't feel good, 2)I start to feel lust (as a means to feel better), why I do I feel this way, 3)I get even upset about the fact that I feel lust, 4)I act out, 5)I get more upset, 6)I act out more - feel more lustful etc. Bottom line, my original negative feelings are still there and my attempts to change the way I feel lead to disaster. I need to give up trying to control how I feel. I need to let my HP do what ever He wants to do with out me getting in the way with my ego and self will.

For me lust is an emotion like any negative emotion, yes, lust causes me to take action (act out) but so does any any negative emotion, think anger, jealousy, sadness etc. each in its own way. You might say that lust causes worse damage but I'm not convinced, I think sadness/depression can be just as damaging and devastating.

Lastly, I don't know much about Codependence Anonymous, but what I did see it seems that codependence anonymous deals with with unhealthy relationships with other people.

Emotions Anonymous deals with unhealthy emotions in ourselves and our inability to use just our will to change them.

There probably is a lot of similarities between CoDA & EA and I'm sure that a lot of the issues overlap but what I'm not clear about is, If you are having trouble with your own feelings and that they are causing you all sorts of problems, why would Codependence Anonymous be the answer? I would have thought that Emotions Anonymous would be a better match. 

Please feel free to set me straight about anything I've said, I'm not looking to be right, I'm only looking for emotional sobriety.

The truth is that just talking (typing) to you guys is tremendously helpful!

As an outsider to anonymous groups, I surmise that the benefit of AA and moreso SA is that in these groups by baring one's darkest secrets it firstly helps put ones ego in a better place and also engenders MUCH more openness and honesty. All relevant emotions can then come to light to when one works on resentment...  
Whereas a sexaholic keeping secrets and coming to a EA meeting saying I feel stress, or even "I feel lustful", when he's trying to stay in the driver seat figuring out his underlying emotions, I'm not sure sobriety will be found there as fast...

Make sense?

Makes damn sense!

What's with the new writin' style? (Not the sense part; this wasn't the first post where you made a ton of sense.)
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Re: could DEALING with my EMOTIONS CORRECTLY be the.. 08 Sep 2017 20:19 #320015

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cordnoy wrote on 08 Sep 2017 19:23:

Markz wrote on 08 Sep 2017 12:47:

acceptance wrote on 08 Sep 2017 11:05:
First things first.

I am not sure what you mean by "I would like to point out that what you are saying now is much different than what you were saying in the beginning."

In the beginning I was saying that I act out because of my inability to handle my emotions, I still stick to that.

Could be that other people when they feel fine and dandy they still feel a urge to act out, I personally don't relate to that because when I am feeling good, when I have serenity, I don't feel any inclination to drink poison, in the same way I don't feel any inclination to act out when I have serenity because I am enjoying life without it (acting out)!

I also don't understand in what way lust is different to any emotion, for example, anger.
here's an example as to how I see/experience it.

1)I don't feel good, 2)I try to change how I feel by willing myself to feel differently, does not work , 3)I start to feel angry, why I do I feel this way, 4)I get even more angry that about the fact that I feel angry, 5)I lash out, 6)I get more upset, 7)I break something - hurt someones feelings etc. Bottom line, my original negative feelings are still there and my attempts to change the way I feel lead to disaster. I need to give up trying to control how I feel. I need to let my HP do what ever He wants to do with out me getting in the way with my ego and self will.

now I will apply the above scenario lust:

1)I don't feel good, 2)I start to feel lust (as a means to feel better), why I do I feel this way, 3)I get even upset about the fact that I feel lust, 4)I act out, 5)I get more upset, 6)I act out more - feel more lustful etc. Bottom line, my original negative feelings are still there and my attempts to change the way I feel lead to disaster. I need to give up trying to control how I feel. I need to let my HP do what ever He wants to do with out me getting in the way with my ego and self will.

For me lust is an emotion like any negative emotion, yes, lust causes me to take action (act out) but so does any any negative emotion, think anger, jealousy, sadness etc. each in its own way. You might say that lust causes worse damage but I'm not convinced, I think sadness/depression can be just as damaging and devastating.

Lastly, I don't know much about Codependence Anonymous, but what I did see it seems that codependence anonymous deals with with unhealthy relationships with other people.

Emotions Anonymous deals with unhealthy emotions in ourselves and our inability to use just our will to change them.

There probably is a lot of similarities between CoDA & EA and I'm sure that a lot of the issues overlap but what I'm not clear about is, If you are having trouble with your own feelings and that they are causing you all sorts of problems, why would Codependence Anonymous be the answer? I would have thought that Emotions Anonymous would be a better match. 

Please feel free to set me straight about anything I've said, I'm not looking to be right, I'm only looking for emotional sobriety.

The truth is that just talking (typing) to you guys is tremendously helpful!

As an outsider to anonymous groups, I surmise that the benefit of AA and moreso SA is that in these groups by baring one's darkest secrets it firstly helps put ones ego in a better place and also engenders MUCH more openness and honesty. All relevant emotions can then come to light to when one works on resentment...  
Whereas a sexaholic keeping secrets and coming to a EA meeting saying I feel stress, or even "I feel lustful", when he's trying to stay in the driver seat figuring out his underlying emotions, I'm not sure sobriety will be found there as fast...

Make sense?

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Re: could DEALING with my EMOTIONS CORRECTLY be the.. 11 Sep 2017 14:09 #320094

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Markz wrote on 08 Sep 2017 12:47:

acceptance wrote on 08 Sep 2017 11:05:
First things first.

I am not sure what you mean by "I would like to point out that what you are saying now is much different than what you were saying in the beginning."

In the beginning I was saying that I act out because of my inability to handle my emotions, I still stick to that.

Could be that other people when they feel fine and dandy they still feel a urge to act out, I personally don't relate to that because when I am feeling good, when I have serenity, I don't feel any inclination to drink poison, in the same way I don't feel any inclination to act out when I have serenity because I am enjoying life without it (acting out)!

I also don't understand in what way lust is different to any emotion, for example, anger.
here's an example as to how I see/experience it.

1)I don't feel good, 2)I try to change how I feel by willing myself to feel differently, does not work , 3)I start to feel angry, why I do I feel this way, 4)I get even more angry that about the fact that I feel angry, 5)I lash out, 6)I get more upset, 7)I break something - hurt someones feelings etc. Bottom line, my original negative feelings are still there and my attempts to change the way I feel lead to disaster. I need to give up trying to control how I feel. I need to let my HP do what ever He wants to do with out me getting in the way with my ego and self will.

now I will apply the above scenario lust:

1)I don't feel good, 2)I start to feel lust (as a means to feel better), why I do I feel this way, 3)I get even upset about the fact that I feel lust, 4)I act out, 5)I get more upset, 6)I act out more - feel more lustful etc. Bottom line, my original negative feelings are still there and my attempts to change the way I feel lead to disaster. I need to give up trying to control how I feel. I need to let my HP do what ever He wants to do with out me getting in the way with my ego and self will.

For me lust is an emotion like any negative emotion, yes, lust causes me to take action (act out) but so does any any negative emotion, think anger, jealousy, sadness etc. each in its own way. You might say that lust causes worse damage but I'm not convinced, I think sadness/depression can be just as damaging and devastating.

Lastly, I don't know much about Codependence Anonymous, but what I did see it seems that codependence anonymous deals with with unhealthy relationships with other people.

Emotions Anonymous deals with unhealthy emotions in ourselves and our inability to use just our will to change them.

There probably is a lot of similarities between CoDA & EA and I'm sure that a lot of the issues overlap but what I'm not clear about is, If you are having trouble with your own feelings and that they are causing you all sorts of problems, why would Codependence Anonymous be the answer? I would have thought that Emotions Anonymous would be a better match. 

Please feel free to set me straight about anything I've said, I'm not looking to be right, I'm only looking for emotional sobriety.

The truth is that just talking (typing) to you guys is tremendously helpful!

As an outsider to anonymous groups, I surmise that the benefit of AA and moreso SA is that in these groups by baring one's darkest secrets it firstly helps put ones ego in a better place and also engenders MUCH more openness and honesty. All relevant emotions can then come to light to when one works on resentment...  
Whereas a sexaholic keeping secrets and coming to a EA meeting saying I feel stress, or even "I feel lustful", when he's trying to stay in the driver seat figuring out his underlying emotions, I'm not sure sobriety will be found there as fast...

Make sense?

Unfortunately not.

I'm not clear exactly what you are trying to say.

Re: could DEALING with my EMOTIONS CORRECTLY be the.. 11 Sep 2017 14:17 #320095

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Furthermore, I'm not advocating changing SA for something else. I'm suggesting that perhaps, seeing as this is a 'mokom' for people who struggle with lust and perhaps life in general as well, that perhaps we could add another tool (EA or perhaps a different anonymous group) to help the relevant people.

No 1 tool is for everyone so maybe we could have some more options?

Personally I'm looking for more support/group for my emotions which are a direct cause for my acting out. I don't know of any other place to that has so many like minded frum men in one place so I would like to see if there is any interest for another tool to help bring more serenity in  your life.
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