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Re: Not given up yet 07 Oct 2022 13:13 #386348

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jackthejew wrote on 07 Oct 2022 09:36:
If I can restate the question:
How can I honestly say I want to come closer to hashem while involved in Lashon Harah that makes such a big spiritual distancing? How can I honestly say I want to come closer to hashem while involved in Bittul Toirah that makes such a big spiritual distancing?
How can I honestly say I want to come closer to hashem while involved in something that makes such a big spiritual distancing?
How can I honestly say I want to come closer to hashem while I don't spend every waking moment thinking about Hashem and his glory and that makes such a big spiritual distancing?
I think the answer may be that becoming closer to Hashem is a life's work. Nobody is perfect, and the ultimate closeness to Hashem can actually only be achieved when Moshiach comes. Our job is to do what we have to do in order to better ourselves, and even though it's not perfect, if we're giving the effort, that's what will bring us closer. Anything done B'oines (without choice; addiction and obsession fall into this category according to most Gedoilim of this generation and of previous ones) Is not something to fret over now. The job we have now is to get closer by giving sincere effort and having the desire to change.

I don't think you fully understood my question. I do indeed work on not speaking Loshon Hora and on trying to think about Hashem. On Yom Kippur I was full of remorse for having failed to use my mouth propeolr etc, and I promised to try harder. In the area of Pegam Habris however, I couldn't honestly tell myself that I would change because I don't believe that I really have much to do about it. Therefore I can't really regret something that I'm not doing anything to change (because I don't believe that I can, assuming its an illness.) Have I clarified my question?
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Re: Not given up yet 07 Oct 2022 14:17 #386353

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Goldfish wrote on 07 Oct 2022 13:13:

jackthejew wrote on 07 Oct 2022 09:36:
If I can restate the question:
How can I honestly say I want to come closer to hashem while involved in Lashon Harah that makes such a big spiritual distancing? How can I honestly say I want to come closer to hashem while involved in Bittul Toirah that makes such a big spiritual distancing?
How can I honestly say I want to come closer to hashem while involved in something that makes such a big spiritual distancing?
How can I honestly say I want to come closer to hashem while I don't spend every waking moment thinking about Hashem and his glory and that makes such a big spiritual distancing?
I think the answer may be that becoming closer to Hashem is a life's work. Nobody is perfect, and the ultimate closeness to Hashem can actually only be achieved when Moshiach comes. Our job is to do what we have to do in order to better ourselves, and even though it's not perfect, if we're giving the effort, that's what will bring us closer. Anything done B'oines (without choice; addiction and obsession fall into this category according to most Gedoilim of this generation and of previous ones) Is not something to fret over now. The job we have now is to get closer by giving sincere effort and having the desire to change.

I don't think you fully understood my question. I do indeed work on not speaking Loshon Hora and on trying to think about Hashem. On Yom Kippur I was full of remorse for having failed to use my mouth propeolr etc, and I promised to try harder. In the area of Pegam Habris however, I couldn't honestly tell myself that I would change because I don't believe that I really have much to do about it. Therefore I can't really regret something that I'm not doing anything to change (because I don't believe that I can, assuming its an illness.) Have I clarified my question?

i would suggest that it is not your job to "guarantee" change.  your job may be to keep trying....
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Re: Not given up yet 04 Jan 2023 14:32 #390526

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Haven't posted in ages and probably won't again for some time. Quite depressed. Wanted to pose a question. My Mashgiach, who is widely acclaimed and very qualified, thinks that I shouldn't think too much into my problem, trying to annalyze them. I should just live life and have some falls and some good times without trying to use my intelligent mind to annalyze everything. What are your thoughts? Thanks.
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Re: Not given up yet 04 Jan 2023 14:48 #390528

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Goldfish wrote on 04 Jan 2023 14:32:
Haven't posted in ages and probably won't again for some time. Quite depressed. Wanted to pose a question. My Mashgiach, who is widely acclaimed and very qualified, thinks that I shouldn't think too much into my problem, trying to annalyze them. I should just live life and have some falls and some good times without trying to use my intelligent mind to annalyze everything. What are your thoughts? Thanks.

I'm sorry to hear that you're depressed. I hope things become better for you and Hashem should help you be happy and satisfied. 
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The way I understand your Mashgiach is that usually, if a person is faced with a challenge, the strategy to overcome it is by working hard to get it under control. However, in this area, such a strategy does not always work. In fact, the opposite is true: When a person tries to control a thought, he is essentially bringing to mind the very topic that he was trying to rid himself of, which causes his mind to explore it further. For example, if someone tells himself not to think about an elephant, then just mentioning those words will bring the image of an elephant to mind. This idea holds true both with regards to inappropriate thoughts, as well as improper sights. A person should always remember the Golden Rule: Any time you think about not thinking or seeing it, then “it” is already in your mind.

How, then, should one deal with inappropriate thoughts and sights? They should be treated as if they are a bag of garbage, waiting for the garbage collector to come. Just as you wouldn’t open the garbage bag to investigate if there’s something good there, so, too, a person should work on himself to consider these thoughts and sights as if they are nothing and just continue on his way. The focus should be to continue on with ‘business as usual’ without even analyzing what just happened.
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Re: Not given up yet 05 Jan 2023 01:54 #390556

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Hi, my friend. I'm so sorry for your pain. May Hashem give you strength and clarity. When you have a mashgiach that you say is highly qualified, and he knows you, he knows your situation, he knows the difficulties you face, take what he tells you to the bank. There is much that subjectivity doesn't allow us to see, follow his advice to the t. Hatzlacha in all that you do! Keep trucking!
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Re: Not given up yet 05 Jan 2023 03:21 #390560

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Goldfish wrote on 04 Jan 2023 14:32:
Haven't posted in ages and probably won't again for some time. Quite depressed. Wanted to pose a question. My Mashgiach, who is widely acclaimed and very qualified, thinks that I shouldn't think too much into my problem, trying to annalyze them. I should just live life and have some falls and some good times without trying to use my intelligent mind to annalyze everything. What are your thoughts? Thanks.

I hear. 
What did he suggest for treating your depression?
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Re: Not given up yet 05 Jan 2023 22:17 #390592

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Goldfish wrote on 04 Jan 2023 14:32:
Haven't posted in ages and probably won't again for some time. Quite depressed. Wanted to pose a question. My Mashgiach, who is widely acclaimed and very qualified, thinks that I shouldn't think too much into my problem, trying to annalyze them. I should just live life and have some falls and some good times without trying to use my intelligent mind to annalyze everything. What are your thoughts? Thanks.

My opinion is, so long as you are making progress on the depression, that is what Hashem wants from you now, and there is no reason to fret and feel guilty over your falls.
I'm sick of the Un-scientific approach of today's medical and social environment. 
we will never heal and become a better society unless we realize that all people are addicts. Any thing we do that we aren't interested in is "addiction" and medicine doesn't fix addictions. 

Pain causes addiction and medicine cant fix pain. 

Unless we heal our pain, and become truama conscious so as not to cause others pain, we will never be living in a functioning human society.
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