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how our generation came to this ? 26 Jun 2017 06:32 #316061

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Re: how our generation came to this ? 26 Jun 2017 08:37 #316065

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Welcome to this site, which has helped many people like you before. 
But please read through the forum and previous posts for a while before writing on any ones forum, this will help you understand what your problem is and how to handle it best.

Re: how our generation came to this ? 26 Jun 2017 11:15 #316070

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sheleg wrote on 26 Jun 2017 06:32:
Traditionaly a frum Jewish pervert (manivil) was made into a pariah and tossed out of every institution.
never in my lifetime did I see anyone lifting a finger to help us until now.
the frum Jewish pervert is very secretive( for good reason)so no one will ever know the extant of the problem.
according to the torah everyone must marry no latter then 18 years of age this is to prevent keri ( wasting of seed)the ones who advocate latter marriage seem to be ignorant and evil. 
I am a single middle aged yeshiva high school graduate.
I Never married or had much sex because I was shy among women.
When I was very young I started playing with my penis like a toy and couldn't stop until I was an adult.
When I was a teenager I saw my first porno movie in an adult theatre.
Then I stopped until the advent of the internet .
Now I am  addicted to it.
I Have decided to do everything in my power to quit.


Perhaps there's a version in the sources that requires guy's like you (us) to get married at age 5...

Besides Keri, this would save a lot of time and money and heartache, and of course gye could shut down too...
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Re: how our generation came to this ? 26 Jun 2017 11:53 #316074

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sheleg wrote on 26 Jun 2017 06:32:
Traditionaly a frum Jewish pervert (manivil) was made into a pariah and tossed out of every institution.
never in my lifetime did I see anyone lifting a finger to help us until now.
the frum Jewish pervert is very secretive( for good reason)so no one will ever know the extant of the problem.
according to the torah everyone must marry no latter then 18 years of age this is to prevent keri ( wasting of seed)the ones who advocate latter marriage seem to be ignorant and evil. 
I am a single middle aged yeshiva high school graduate.
I Never married or had much sex because I was shy among women.
When I was very young I started playing with my penis like a toy and couldn't stop until I was an adult.
When I was a teenager I saw my first porno movie in an adult theatre.
Then I stopped until the advent of the internet .
Now I am  addicted to it.
I Have decided to do everything in my power to quit.

I am a grateful recovering pervert.
Im recovering from an addiction to lusting
My addiction is a sickness of the mind and body.
In my fellowship of likeminded perverts who are working to free themselves from this addiction we do our best to lay all our secrets out hiding nothing, for the more we hide, the more we isolate, the more we are in shame, and the more we act out our addiction again.
Marriage didn't fix us. 
Marriage doesn't fix lustaholics.
Only working a spiritual program of recovery fixes the ones who cant stop.

Re: how our generation came to this ? 26 Jun 2017 12:26 #316078

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Markz the mishna in avos say 18 for chupa .
This is not Purim Torah !

Re: how our generation came to this ? 26 Jun 2017 12:29 #316079

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sheleg wrote on 26 Jun 2017 12:26:
Markz the mishna in avos say 18 for chupa .
This is not Purim Torah !

And the Ben Ish Chai says 13...
If it was up to me I would have gone with 13...
It wouldnt have stopped me from acting out though

Re: how our generation came to this ? 26 Jun 2017 12:42 #316080

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I Am skeptical about your spiritual program working.
Lust is in every human being ever since Adam and eve ate from the forbidden fruit.
When it appears it needs an outlet.
Your wife was designated to be your outlet.
the fact that you lust for other women besides your wife is because your wife isn't doing her job well enough.

Re: how our generation came to this ? 26 Jun 2017 12:48 #316081

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welcome to the forums. 
It's nice to have a marriage expert on hand. 

Re: how our generation came to this ? 26 Jun 2017 13:12 #316085

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sheleg wrote on 26 Jun 2017 12:42:
I Am skeptical about your spiritual program working.
Lust is in every human being ever since Adam and eve ate from the forbidden fruit.
When it appears it needs an outlet.
Your wife was designated to be your outlet.
the fact that you lust for other women besides your wife is because your wife isn't doing her job well enough.

I lust for my wife.
I also used to masturbate after sex with her.
Often before also.
I don't masturbate anymore, nor do i lust after other women.
So because Adam ate the forbidden fruit am i doing something wrong? Should i go back to lusting?
I stopped lusting and i am learning to love.
When it appears I surrender it.
God wouldn't have given me the tools to surrender it if he thought i should be giving it an outlet.
My wife was designated to be my partner and I was designated to be her partner. 
Outlet doesn't sound very loving. It kind of makes her into an object.
I am working on not objectifying.
It seems that you think that women were put into this world to be an outlet for men's sexual needs.

If i was to follow your advice and recovery program I should be telling my wife to just give me sex whenever i want it and I will be recovered.
Is this accurate?

Re: how our generation came to this ? 26 Jun 2017 13:15 #316089

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sheleg wrote on 26 Jun 2017 06:32:
Traditionaly a frum Jewish pervert (manivil) was made into a pariah and tossed out of every institution.
never in my lifetime did I see anyone lifting a finger to help us until now.
the frum Jewish pervert is very secretive( for good reason)so no one will ever know the extant of the problem.
according to the torah everyone must marry no latter then 18 years of age this is to prevent keri ( wasting of seed)the ones who advocate latter marriage seem to be ignorant and evil. 
I am a single middle aged yeshiva high school graduate.
I Never married or had much sex because I was shy among women.
When I was very young I started playing with my penis like a toy and couldn't stop until I was an adult.
When I was a teenager I saw my first porno movie in an adult theatre.
Then I stopped until the advent of the internet .
Now I am  addicted to it.
I Have decided to do everything in my power to quit.


STOP WORK ORDER

WHY IN THE WORLD DO YOU WANT TO QUIT?
WHAT MEANS QUIT?

PLEASE DO NOT PROCEED UNTIL YOU CAN FIND THE TIME AND ENERGY TO ANSWER THIS SIMPLE QUESTION
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Re: how our generation came to this ? 26 Jun 2017 13:28 #316092

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I want to stop my addiction becouse I am Orthodox and its out of character for me to act this way.

Re: how our generation came to this ? 26 Jun 2017 13:41 #316093

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sheleg wrote on 26 Jun 2017 13:28:
I want to stop my addiction becouse I am Orthodox and its out of character for me to act this way.


So in essence it's because Gd commands you to, but doesn't bother you personally too much, does it?

Brother, You didn't answer the other question.
What means stop masturbating?
Getting married and using ones wife is not considered stopped masturbating

Please define - and it will help you - what do you consider "quiting" and what do you want to quit from?
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Re: how our generation came to this ? 26 Jun 2017 13:46 #316094

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Quit simply means stop.

Re: how our generation came to this ? 26 Jun 2017 13:54 #316096

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It doesn't bother me personaly.
I enjoy what I am doing.
I no longer mastrubate.
Meaning I no longer touch my genitals.

"Getting married and using ones wife is not considered stopped masturbating"
SAYS WHO ?

I want to quit from watching porn.

Re: how our generation came to this ? 26 Jun 2017 14:00 #316097

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Yes its accurate your wife must be your outlet.
That is why the Torah says  a man must leave his parents and cling to his wife.
The word cling means intimacy.
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