thank you for your post i have something to give serious thought about,

1.my posts may have annoyed you, i apologize, but i have  recieved thanks for them from a nice amount of people who wouldnt do so publicly for personal reasons,my email is on my profile,

2.with all due respect  ,and i mean it, there are things that are posted by respectable people here who also annoy people,although it is deffinitly not their intention,how about all the people that find me annoying , take my permission  not to read them, i purposely skip over posts that in the past annoyed me,whats the problem do they have some kind of curiosity addiction or something?

3.the posts that i try to write on Torah are pretty much self evident to be true, but are just not reviewed too much and therefore forgotten and do give a boost in battleing this yetzer hara, i dont think one has to be  a 90 day clean person in order to say an encouraging vort,do you read the public chats or only the things on the forums?if someone is annoyed by someone saying a dvar torah ,who might be a sinner,but trying to get better , instead of saying an idea from sa, may be suffering from what chazal have foretold that before Moshiach comes yirei Hashem yimasu ,not that im saying that i am a yorei shamayim, but i am saying things from the mouths of yorei shamayim and people are disgusted with it, if i said a joke with a little leaning of dirt in it id be very not annoying and popular to some people, wont mention names but they post on gye and their cronies chuckle at it and its more than one, i wouldnt say there are many BH,but there are, and by the way ,sorry for a sinner like me to say this but i get annoyed by them.would anyone dare tell them to shutup?! only on words of yiras shamayim will you hear it. an off color joke from a luster whos trying to get clean , a chuckle, a true vort from a luster whos trying to get clean ,at best cold silence,sorry for the strong words.

4.id like to know, if i get banned if i post my posts , is it against gye rules to reregister under a different username?i havent seen that rule ,i might need it.not that im planning on posting anything that deserves banning but seeing the reaction im getting from some posts ,and seeing what happened to other posters ,i want to prepare,if you dont respond to this question ill assume that its permissible.

5.does the gye tech team have the capability to know  my  identity,and do they use it, i need to know before i consider  posting my private issues.

thank you.

ieeyc, in response to the 5 points:

Re: #1 Dov never gets insulted. You don't know him from a bar of dove.

Re: #4 You will unlikely get an answer to #4 which means that you're gonna be stuck in #5 with no clarity either and won't share on the forum - your bad

#2- You advise people to skip posts.

Bye bye, if you are ieeyc, you will have to admit that I have treated you in the past with decency and even respect. And I agree with you that there are others who have posted on the forums who insult, degrade, and attack people and their opinions, and unfortunately chase away potential success stories. Why you were banned and not them is beyond me. (In the little back and forth I have had with some here regarding this issue, i have come to realize that those insulting others usually are diehard chassidim of 12 steps who do not tolerate anyone who even slightly criticizes that mehalech, and for some reason there is some unspoken extra tolerance given to them, even when they act inappropriately towards non 12 steppers. I have heard this theory from others as well)  However, even with all that being said, why haven't you answered Dov's question - Where are you up to in all of this? Do you masturbate? Watch pornography? Both? Other things? What works or doesn't work for you? Answering these questions is what makes these forums great. It helps you by being honest. It inspires others to come forward. It opens up healthy conversations towards recovery. If you want to stay clean and help others, start by posting honest answers to these questions. That's what I and many others do. Take today . I had an extremely stressful day. I would have loved to escape and masturbate a few times and watch the stuff fly out of me. (Yes, even after bli ayin hora 530 days I can still "taste" that feeling of release that I craved so much.) That's the honest truth. But I didn't do it and BH didn't even come close thanks to the training I have received from GYE and the chevra here. It has BH become firmly embedded in my psyche that its not an option any more. How? Read my posts. Read how Dov (who you are so intimidated by) told me NOT to join SA and instead deal with my bad case of yetzer hora. Read how I connected with real and honest people here. Read about the ups and the downs. The milestones and the work one day at a time. The challenges, the withdrawal and the crying. And much much more. And yes, I use Torah as part of my arsenal. My oilam here receives from me any story, maamar chazal etc,  that gives chizuk, perspective, or advice, on this major challenge we all struggle with. So bye bye, sit down and write a new post - A true post - No advice - Just history. When did it start? What are the struggles? What have you tried? What are your feelings? And iyh you will be matzliach.

HHM, Thanks! You are great!
I can vouch about the torah's I get from you on a steady basis, how much I appreciate it.

And more importantly, you have shown me that I can trust you by respecting my decisions not to call you, even when you felt it would be beneficial for me. You backed off and didn't pressure me, but you haven't forsaken me either. It is that silent encouragement which has given me the courage to speak to people.

Thanks for all your support!

thank you Hashem Help Me , for reaching out,i enjoy  your posts very much, its a pleasure to post a response  ,i really appreciate your validation ,cant believe you wrote what you wrote,you gave me chizuk .i hate to bring this up, but if question #5  that i asked cant be answered,im afraid that i cant disclose my private challenges,a pity(for me),one of the things my Rebbi ztl, ,when i disclosed to him a personal challenge, told me was to be VERY CAREFUL to who i tell things to in these inyanim,my Rebbi ztl was a big pikeach,Tzadik, and Talmid Chacham, and he heard alot of stories,even though someone  has a mistake about me , it still got me thinking,is it safe to post here?who knows what people who are more computer  savy then me could figure out about me, im not ready to come out in the open like dov or others, i wish i had the confidence, but unfortunately i am lacking in it. so what am i doing here on gye if im not posting my issues?
1.im getting tremendous chizuk from those who were/are posting and are amazingly saying no to themselves time after time.
2.chatting things out  with others  ,in a more private way is very therapeutic.
3.there are a ton of great suggestions here given by the chevra.
4.posting a chizuk and have a give and take with posters in an unintimidating way.
so for me gye is still a great resource in recovery.
looking foward to reading additional posts from you,hatzlacha and kol tov!

i think we are overstaying our stay on iyeec`s thread,have to figure out where else to have these discussions.

Markz wrote on 06 Jun 2018 04:53:

why do names  and cases have to be said over and cuase  personal friction  where there is a  getting along.if its not true what Hashem Help Me said, why do so many of us get that feeling?

People here are big boys, I hope. I don't agree with a lot of things goin' on here, but I'm extremely busy and this has gotten way outta hand.

If there's a post that someone thinks should be deleted or moderated, click the button, explain yourself and I'll take care of it. Otherwise, you're on your own.

God speed!

Markz wrote on 06 Jun 2018 04:53:

Why do you think he means you? I think I know whom he was referring too. And I think I know why he wrote that paragraph. Perhaps I'll text you my theory. Trust me he means well.

cordnoy wrote on 06 Jun 2018 05:08:

Where is the Moderator button???!

Sorry, meant to ask where is the 5 star widget button?!!!

Thanks for the wake up call, it is time to grow up.

I have no interest in debating this issue again. During my stay here at GYE I have brought it up with Dov and with the administration and in private emails with some of the chevra here. As i mentioned, many agree that some here step over the line of acceptability a drop too freely. If as you say, you respect me, then respect my right to formulate an opinion and share it in what I believe was a respectable manner. Secondly, I didn't know that anyone here has a right to refer to anyone else as an underclass. I am a yid among yidden. We are all in this together. I stand in awe of many of the members here, and definitely I don't have the ability to classify people other than to say I think they are all b'geder "v'ameich kulom tsaddikim".

byebye wrote on 05 Jun 2018 17:10:


I cannot respond for the GYE Tech team since I do not have that info. As a tech savvy user with a little experience how sites work I can tell what information they probably have of you. I can not confirm this list to be true.
1: Your email address used to sign up.
2: Any info you entered when signing up.
3: The phone number you used to verify chat.
4: The IP addresses used to access this site.
5: All posted info including private chats and pm's.

This type of info is pretty standard for all sites on the internet. Definitely much less than what Google, Facebook, Twitter, Amazon, etc... know about you.
Regarding number 4, IP addresses don't directly infer who you are, unless some one has law enforcement capabilities. It does provide info on who your internet provider is and your approximate location. Not like GPS, More like which region you live in.

HHM Underclass = Bandana member. ieeyc is not a bad guy, but needs to play elsewhere
Go figure why he was banned previously, don't ask me