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TOPIC: LUST OR DISGUST?LETS DISCUSS! 30757 Views

LUST OR DISGUST?LETS DISCUSS! 25 Apr 2018 23:39 #330305

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I dont have the leshonos in front of me ,but here goes.

The Gemara says that an isha is like a untensil full of feces and blood,but nevertheless everyone is running after her ,how i this so? Gezeras Melech he! Which means,in order for there to be a continuation to mankind, Hashem decreed that men have to be attracted to women (and the decree is being obeyed pretty good!) eventhough in reality, its something to be disgusted/not lusted .

Does this mean that women dont or should not be respected?G-d forbid to suggest such a thing! A nonjew is Tzelem Elokim-Made in the Image of Hashem,and a Jew has that, plus a Neshama Kedosha,so respect upon respect is required(unless that person is a rasha meroosha).

Does this mean that i MUST lust after her?( hey a decree is a decree).G-d forbid to say that ,Viatah timshol bo! and you will/should conquer him ( the yetzer hara)!

So my main question is where does this leave us, regarding the temptations of the street? And in what practical way can we make use of this precious secret from Chazal?(and it is a secret because suggest this idea to someone who is not ma`amin in Chazal and ask if they agree to this ,or are they vehemently opposed.)

To be continued ,be`ezras Hashem.

לב טהור ברא לי אלקים , ורוח נכון חדש בקרבי

to all my friends who heeded my request to be so generous and give me a negative karma for the sake of me acquiring
. humility ,i humbly thank you

Last Edit: 25 Apr 2018 23:44 by ieeyc.

Re: LUST OR DISGUST?LETS DISCUSS! 26 Apr 2018 04:55 #330320

GrowStrong Current streak: 2153 days OFFLINE Platinum Boarder OMAAT Posts: 888 Karma: 89	Do you think if you get to the bottom of this you will be able to stop masturbating? Is masturbation an intellectual exercise for you?

Re: LUST OR DISGUST?LETS DISCUSS! 26 Apr 2018 05:47 #330328

lifebound OFFLINE Gold Boarder Posts: 225 Karma: 35	GrowStrong wrote on 26 Apr 2018 04:55: Do you think if you get to the bottom of this you will be able to stop masturbating? Is masturbation an intellectual exercise for you? To be fair, this is the "Torah & Chizuk Approach" board, which is, and I quote: A Board for Yidden who are not as addicted, and for whom Torah/Chizuk/Chassidus can still help them stop. Just pointing that out.
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Re: LUST OR DISGUST?LETS DISCUSS! 26 Apr 2018 05:51 #330329

ieeyc OFFLINE Banned Soaring to Har Sinai on the wings of an eagle! Posts: 572 Karma: -9	GrowStrong wrote on 26 Apr 2018 04:55: Do you think if you get to the bottom of this you will be able to stop masturbating? Is masturbation an intellectual exercise for you? nope, trying to figure how to get you out of this thread is.
	*לב טהור ברא לי אלקים , ורוח* *נכון חדש בקרבי* to all my friends who heeded my request to be so generous and give me a negative karma for the sake of me acquiring . humility ,i humbly thank you

Re: LUST OR DISGUST?LETS DISCUSS! 26 Apr 2018 05:57 #330330

lifebound OFFLINE Gold Boarder Posts: 225 Karma: 35	ieeyc wrote on 26 Apr 2018 05:51: GrowStrong wrote on 26 Apr 2018 04:55: Do you think if you get to the bottom of this you will be able to stop masturbating? Is masturbation an intellectual exercise for you? nope, trying to figure how to get you out of this thread is. Ok, I'm not taking sides here, but this made me laugh.
	My story so far

Re: LUST OR DISGUST?LETS DISCUSS! 26 Apr 2018 06:14 #330331

ieeyc OFFLINE Banned Soaring to Har Sinai on the wings of an eagle! Posts: 572 Karma: -9	my apologies to growstrong, after posting here , i read what you wrote in the I HAVE SINNED thread and you wrote very sincere,it sounded like you were being sharp here .my apologies.
	*לב טהור ברא לי אלקים , ורוח* *נכון חדש בקרבי* to all my friends who heeded my request to be so generous and give me a negative karma for the sake of me acquiring . humility ,i humbly thank you

Re: LUST OR DISGUST?LETS DISCUSS! 26 Apr 2018 06:31 #330332

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lifebound wrote on 26 Apr 2018 05:57:

ieeyc wrote on 26 Apr 2018 05:51:

GrowStrong wrote on 26 Apr 2018 04:55:

Do you think if you get to the bottom of this you will be able to stop masturbating?
Is masturbation an intellectual exercise for you?

nope, trying to figure how to get you out of this thread is.

Ok, I'm not taking sides here, but this made me laugh.

so i guess this made you laughbound

לב טהור ברא לי אלקים , ורוח נכון חדש בקרבי

to all my friends who heeded my request to be so generous and give me a negative karma for the sake of me acquiring
. humility ,i humbly thank you

Last Edit: 26 Apr 2018 06:43 by ieeyc.

Re: LUST OR DISGUST?LETS DISCUSS! 26 Apr 2018 08:33 #330335

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lifebound wrote on 26 Apr 2018 05:47:

GrowStrong wrote on 26 Apr 2018 04:55:

Do you think if you get to the bottom of this you will be able to stop masturbating?
Is masturbation an intellectual exercise for you?

To be fair, this is the "Torah & Chizuk Approach" board, which is, and I quote:

A Board for Yidden who are not as addicted, and for whom Torah/Chizuk/Chassidus can still help them stop.

Just pointing that out.

Yup I totally get that... I just felt that after what must be nearly a year of posting and 5 days clean, that ieeyc is not going to get clean from Torah and Chizuk..
Hence my question.

Re: LUST OR DISGUST?LETS DISCUSS! 26 Apr 2018 08:35 #330336

GrowStrong Current streak: 2153 days OFFLINE Platinum Boarder OMAAT Posts: 888 Karma: 89	As for me leaving this thread - in the SA rooms when someone is triggered by what someone else is talking about, they raise their hands and the speaker can then be silent while the person who got triggered can leave the room. :-)

Re: LUST OR DISGUST?LETS DISCUSS! 26 Apr 2018 12:49 #330338

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GrowStrong wrote on 26 Apr 2018 08:33:

lifebound wrote on 26 Apr 2018 05:47:

GrowStrong wrote on 26 Apr 2018 04:55:

Do you think if you get to the bottom of this you will be able to stop masturbating?
Is masturbation an intellectual exercise for you?

To be fair, this is the "Torah & Chizuk Approach" board, which is, and I quote:

A Board for Yidden who are not as addicted, and for whom Torah/Chizuk/Chassidus can still help them stop.

Just pointing that out.

Yup I totally get that... I just felt that after what must be nearly a year of posting and 5 days clean, that ieeyc is not going to get clean from Torah and Chizuk..
Hence my question.

Ahem...thats BH 7 days clean,but whos counting...

לב טהור ברא לי אלקים , ורוח נכון חדש בקרבי

to all my friends who heeded my request to be so generous and give me a negative karma for the sake of me acquiring
. humility ,i humbly thank you

Re: LUST OR DISGUST?LETS DISCUSS! 26 Apr 2018 13:39 #330339

ieeyc OFFLINE Banned Soaring to Har Sinai on the wings of an eagle! Posts: 572 Karma: -9	GrowStrong wrote on 26 Apr 2018 08:35: As for me leaving this thread - in the SA rooms when someone is triggered by what someone else is talking about, they raise their hands and the speaker can then be silent while the person who got triggered can leave the room. :-) tsk tsk, gye is not sa :waggingindexfinger:
	*לב טהור ברא לי אלקים , ורוח* *נכון חדש בקרבי* to all my friends who heeded my request to be so generous and give me a negative karma for the sake of me acquiring . humility ,i humbly thank you Last Edit: 26 Apr 2018 13:54 by ieeyc.

Re: LUST OR DISGUST?LETS DISCUSS! 26 Apr 2018 16:18 #330346

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The purpose of a forum is to allow people to express their opinions. From time to time an individual finds something upsetting or inappropriate on a specific thread. When and if that happens, then by all means that individual is advised to leave the thread while the moderators decide if the specific posts should bedeleted for the various reasons that exist - be it explicit content, bullying, lashon hora, etc... That being said, it would be most reasonable that the host of a specific thread not be advised to leave his own thread. Mentshlechkeit, not SA policies, should dictate that all guests to another person's thread keep in line with the host's requests to a reasonable level. I feel comfortable writing this because i have had to put this into practice myself and have apologized for "bullying" on another person's thread. I have also chosen not to comment on certain threads where i came to realize that what i had to say would be found to be offensive or close to that. Many people here have agendas - well intentioned - but very specific to that person. We all must be careful in our sometimes overly excited effort to assist and advise others not to step over the "red line" of decency. Wishing everyone continued hatzlocha, and with apologies if my words here upset anyone.

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Re: LUST OR DISGUST?LETS DISCUSS! 26 Apr 2018 16:56 #330347

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Hashem Help Me wrote on 26 Apr 2018 16:18:

"The purpose of a forum is to allow people to express their opinions. From time to time an individual finds something upsetting or inappropriate on a specific thread. When and if that happens, then by all means that individual is advised to leave the thread ..."

but not without leaving a message on the karma machine

,you could always do it anonymously .

Thank you ,HHM.

לב טהור ברא לי אלקים , ורוח נכון חדש בקרבי

to all my friends who heeded my request to be so generous and give me a negative karma for the sake of me acquiring
. humility ,i humbly thank you

Re: LUST OR DISGUST?LETS DISCUSS! 26 Apr 2018 18:34 #330350

GrowStrong Current streak: 2153 days OFFLINE Platinum Boarder OMAAT Posts: 888 Karma: 89	Ok I’ll join the topic in discussion why do you think desire means to lust?

Re: LUST OR DISGUST?LETS DISCUSS! 27 Apr 2018 09:17 #330374

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hello everybody, im sorry to disappoint the Ribono shel olam ,myself , and anyone else that was rooting for me, but i just had a fall ,shucks,i know what i fell over and i know how to take care of it through the help of others who are specialists in a certain field,i personaly did not want to publicize my fall , due to 2 things
1. im always afraid that a fall could weaken others C"V ,and i dont want anyone to be affected by my stupid mistake , but i chatted with the peole on the ASK US ANYTHING box about this worry, (they really help me out alot of times and i reccommend that if anyone has a question in these areas , they should take advantage of that box.) and they said that honesty is the best policy,so thats the story .
2.it seems that i sound like a big talker about saying vidui, and Torah and chizuk is the way to go,and i really felt like hiding the fall ,so others should not get weakened and mainly to be merciful to my hurt ego,but i was thinking that i cant continue posting on these things with hiding my fall, and people should think hey, vidui and chizuk really work , look at ieeyc, hes going strong..,id feel like a hypocryte and of course gonav da`as habriyos, and a thought from Reb Yisroel Salanter ZTL once said , that we dont sell emes(i think he was refering to limud hamusar) with sheker.
one thing i would like to say is ,as i was falling ,you guys were in front of my eyes alot this time since due to the forum i was speaking to a lot of you,and i was thinking what will everyone say , ill be so embarresed,you know what, i ll keep it a secret thats all who has to tell...well after the fall i was thinking the same thing, but then BH, i think i made the right choice by disclosing.and being connected to you guys hopefuly will pull me through next time.,i hope to see you motzei Shabbos with 1 day under my count ,t.g.i.f. BH its friday , and BH Shabbos for me is always a good day to start a reset, and ive seen from past experience that the hardest days are the first 2,3, days, but after that it gets easier, so kol tuv. and sorry for such a long post.Gut Shabbos.

לב טהור ברא לי אלקים , ורוח נכון חדש בקרבי

to all my friends who heeded my request to be so generous and give me a negative karma for the sake of me acquiring
. humility ,i humbly thank you

Last Edit: 27 Apr 2018 11:57 by ieeyc.