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Re: Chaim's Oigen 07 Jun 2024 14:31 #414857

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chaimoigen wrote on 06 Jun 2024 22:21:

chosemyshem wrote on 06 Jun 2024 14:28:

Stopping the attitude that enables the desperate desirous dance on the edge of the precipice can keep a guy from falling off into the shadow. Not only because if he doesn’t take the first step he’ll therefore avoid the fall of a thousand miles.

But, it’s also because a guy who is growing and no longer feels comfortable assuming the posture we are discussing, might find himself changing.


Props for starting a paragraph with "But also". Bold and flavorful.
Great article, and great explanation of the article. 

I like amavekesh's categorization above, and let's assume this article is talking about anyone short of the true, desperate addict. Someone who's stepping out of shul on Rosh Hashana to masturbate in the bathroom is not suffering from an entertainment mindset. He's suffering from a lust sickness.
[This is pure ploppling since I don't know anything about treating addiction: Now, will even that guy benefit from living life actively? Sure. It's a healthy thing. It'll make the rest of his day better, and it might on occasion help him hold back. But he's gotta be aware of the problem is, and the problem is not an entertainment mindset. That might [i]also[/i] be a problem he has, but it's not why he's doing what he's doing.
But to contradict myself, also see my heroin response above. For all I know, getting involved in living life actively can be a cure for addiction.]

For everyone short of that level:

For sure when setting gedarim, you have to be self aware and honest about where the effective place for the geder is - even if that cuts off things that are pleasurable, muttar, and okay for most of the world. So the dance on the precipice point is well taken. But point 1 in the article, that aimless browsing easily leads to looking at triggering things and sliding into a fall, was not the chiddush of the article.

And the chiddush of the article is also not that staying busy and productive = not falling. That's well known and agreed to already. Nor is the chiddush that developing a deeper relationship with Hashem and actively relating to Him and His torah will help keep you clean. That's also agreed to.

The nekuda of the article that's a chiddush is that enjoying passive entertainment ever is a mindset that is more susceptible to falling into pornography (even at times when the person is not engaging in entertainment). I think that's a great point for people struggling with a certain flavor of the struggle (likely the most common flavor).

Re: Chaim's Oigen 11 Jun 2024 04:30 #415016

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Feeling Rachmanus For "Him"
By: Chaim Oigen

I think that the opposite of self-loathing is Rachmanus. 

Self-loathing, I feel, is one of the most destructive emotions that there is. If I can't live with myself, if I feel that my essence and core is detestable and fouled, broken and unworthy: how then can I ever hope to find the energy and the drive - the COURAGE - to pick myself up?

If, however, I take a compassionate and understanding look at the man who is suffering - if I can give him a hug with Rachmanus, then there is power and healing there.

Why? Because the part of me who looks with Rachmanus is the essential spark at my core that doesn't identify with the struggling, with the falling. Who is still above that. That part of me is the one who regrets, who is looking forward to a future without the errors, who hopes... who dreams. 

Therein is the compassionate adult who wants to pick up the kid who just fell in the mud, bawling. 
אשרי מי שלמעלה מחטאיו

It can be difficult to look at the "me" who has fallen today with Rachmanus. Because he ought to have known better. But it can be far easier to to look back at the struggling Bochur, or Yungerman that I once was and feel Rachmanus for his pain, for his loneliness and agony, for all that he was going through, to feel Rachmanus for the mistakes he was making...
There is healing there... 

Because the kid who fell in the mud is, so often, still bawling with skinned knees, somewhere in there. He still needs a hug. And someone to reach out and pick him up… 
If that someone can be me, I have found part of myself that has never been lost. 

Rachmanus is healing. 


Here is a powerful post I wrote a while ago that illustrates this point.
chaimoigen wrote on 19 Jul 2023 13:55:
Last night I visited a new Beis Medrash for a few minutes to meet with a friend. On the way out, about to get into my car, I looked across the parking lot and froze. Found myself standing, for the first time in years, directly across from a small parking lot behind a public building. 

I was flooded with a sense of sadness as the images rushed over me.

I saw the moon peeking out, through tattered clouds, over a darkened, quiet town, at 3 AM. Saw a conflicted, confused Yungerman, sitting in the backseat of his own car, parked among the shadows, trying to connect to public Wifi, a wan blankness on face. He paused for a moment to think on just going home, about his learning, and then chose to go into just-not-thinking. A mix of self-loathing and desire making a bitter, metallic, taste in his mouth.... 

Standing next to a brand new Beis Medrash, looking across the bridge of many years and tears - I felt so bad for him. I have so much Rachmanus on him. I don't really understand him so well anymore. I have so many things I want to tell him, so much I want to say. [I also want to do whatever I can to help others like him, too]. I want to free him from that self-loathing and pain.. But I felt so sad.... 

I left, called a friend, and went on and I spent the rest of the evening engaged in productivity and learning.

Disquiet persists.
I am happy that that yungerman is doing so much better. I am glad he has found healing. Sad for what was lost. Proud of what has been gained. This I also know: There, but for the grace of Hashem and His undeserved Rachamim and Chessed go I. 
Gotta go make today count now.   
Please feel free to reach out anytime at chaim.oigen@gmail.com
Last Edit: 11 Jun 2024 12:46 by chaimoigen. Reason: עי׳ ספר נאות הדשא לבעל האבנ״ז בעניני ר״ה אשר בכיית השופר היא בכיית נקודה פנימית של הנשמה שלא נתלכלך מעולם בחטא בוכה ומרחם על נפשו שנפל בכל מי

Re: Chaim's Oigen 14 Jun 2024 05:58 #415087

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Like any שטיקל ר' חיים, this one too, needs to be pondered, contemplated, dissected and sourced in order to be properly understood. 

On the first night of שבועות, I was learning 'דף ח in מס' ב"ב. The 'גמ there brings the פסוק that says "והמשכילים יזהירו כזוהר הרקיע" And those that are wise, will illuminate like the glow of the sky. The 'גמ interprets this to be referring to a דיין that judges a דין that is אמת לאמיתו. There's a question that 'תוס is bothered by, the double לשון, why does it say אמת לאמיתו? If it’s true, then it’s 100% percent true, what can the word לאמיתו possibly be coming to add? 'תוס explains that it’s coming to exclude a דין מרומה. Meaning that sometimes a case will come before a דיין, and if he were to judge it based on the testimony of the עדים and the dry facts of the case, he would reach a certain conclusion. However, the דיין has a feeling that something is off, it smells fishy, his sixth sense doesn’t allow him to just פסק'ן the דין based on facts alone, that is what the 'גמ means אמת לאמיתו. If he would have gone with the way the case was presented to him, that would only have been אמת. אמת לאמיתו is when he seeks to uncover the truth beyond the “facts” that are being presented.

There is a fascinating מהרש"א that brings out a beautiful point. He explains that according to תוס'’s פשט, there is an added dimension to the פסוק that the 'גמ brought. The sky, when viewed from planet earth, can be seen in an array of colors and hues, based on the weather and the position of the sun. During a cloudy day, it’ll appear as white, during a thunderstorm, an angry grey, at sunset, a mix of purples pink and orange.  Nevertheless, the essence of the sky’s color and glow is an unchanging brilliant sapphire blue. One only needs to break through the facade that is this world to see the sky for what is really is - sapphire blue that reflects the כסא הכבוד. So too, the דיין that is able to see the real truth, beyond the mirage of facts being presented as truth, he will shine like the radiance of the sky without any of the optical illusions that sometimes mar its glow.

The מהרש"א then adds a telling insight into the words of חז"ל in מס' שבת. It says "כל דיין שדן דין אמת לאמיתו נעשה שותף להקב"ה", based on his previous explanation he explains this to mean as follows. When one looks beyond that which seems to be true and arrives at the real truth, he is emulating 'ה who is the ultimate דיין אמת. The מהרש"א then adds "כי הוא יראה ללבב", he sees into the heart beyond the external act. Even an act that from any human vantage point would be perceived as a sin, 'ה in his ultimate kindness, sees the “truth” behind it. How much pain lies behind the act, what were the circumstances that led him to do this, then and only then, after considering all of the unseen factors, does he pass judgement.

'ה created many different types of personalities in this world. Some are rooted in מדת החסד, others in מדת הגבורה, some are a blend of both, there is a spectrum and most people fall somewhere between the two extremes. Generally people from the חסד personalities are more emotional, while people from גבורה are more logical. Each מדה comes with its own challenges. Someone that is closer to "חסד" won’t struggle as much with being judgmental because of his easygoing nature, he lets things slide, doesn’t bear a grudge as much as one who’s rooted in מדת הגבורה. On the flip side, someone who is naturally a גבור, will generally be much more disciplined, punctual, and not as prone to the swinging emotions of someone who’s rooted in מדת החסד.

Being that מדת החסד people are more expansive and less disciplined, they are far more likely to stumble in ares of קדושה than those from מדת הגבורה. Indeed, the תורה describes one of the עריות with "חסד היא". These people are also usually blessed with a gift of an עין טובה. They are more forgiving of other people’s faults and are able to see past the factual deed that was done. They’ll have an easier time uncovering the truth that lies beyond the dry, cold, logical facts than their גבורה counterparts.

הנוגע לענינינו. My assumption is (and I could very well be wrong), that most people that ended up on this site are closer on the spectrum to the חסד side. The YH has a tool at his disposal. Even though we are able to give others the benefit of the doubt, we view them  with compassion, and are very understanding of their shortcomings, when it comes to ourselves, we have a very hard time applying that same generous judgment. My understanding of ר' חיים is, that he’s pleading with us to see the truth in ourselves, the same way we see it in others. Don’t let the con artist convince you that you’re a terrible person. The acts we may have done might be terrible, but let’s remember the words of the holy מהרש"א that , "כי הוא יראה ללבב", he sees into the heart beyond the external act. Our hearts never wanted to rebel against Him, even when be sinned we were filled with remorse. If we can find it in our hearts to forgive ourselves for our past misdeeds, it will infuse us with the confidence we need, to look the YH in the eye and tell him, I’m a terrific person that has made some mistakes and starting now I will do all I can to rectify them. Hope this made sense.

Re: Chaim's Oigen 14 Jun 2024 13:37 #415095

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Thank you, Reb Chaim, for starting this brilliant thread, and A Mevakesh for your compelling response. This point of being דן לכף זכות even on ourselves is something that hit me a few weeks ago when I first started out on this journey (I'm still new to this journey - but was much newer then!). Self-perception - Read: self-hate is extraordinarily damaging and causes us to fall counterintuitive as it may sound. As soon as I was able to look in the mirror and see a good guy (albeit with challenges and failings) looking back, self-control became interminably easier. מאמרי חז"ל are replete with references to seeing ourselves as an "other" (e.g. Rebbi doing chessed with his body in bathing) and judging favorably is no different. 

It's amazing how good ideas, and support from this היליגער חברה changes everything and makes winning this challenge possible.

Thank you to all for your chelek in helping me get to where I am today (and I thank you all for your future help), and my tefilla to Hashem:
אפרוש כנפי למרומים,
לבקש מאבינו רחמים,
שיגיע כל א' מחבורתנו למעלת קדושים,
!בקרוב ממש

מתוך אהבה עמוקה ולב גדושה,
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Last Edit: 14 Jun 2024 13:45 by Muttel.

Re: Chaim's Oigen 16 Jun 2024 12:23 #415145

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Wow! Lots of amazing thoughts! Love it! What really resounds with me is the fact that its so easy for me in regard to this inyan to see others and be like its not them, they were gripped by the yetzer hara, it doesn't define them, they are being overcome by their lusts. Its the battle of the generation, sometimes we win sometimes (hopefully less often) we lose. But when it comes to myself, forget it, Im a horrible person!!! Why cant I just get a hold of myself!
Thank you for these beautiful thoughts!
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You are a great person with lots of positives, don't let your challenge define you.

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Re: Chaim's Oigen 16 Jun 2024 15:17 #415151

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amevakesh wrote on 14 Jun 2024 05:58:
Like any שטיקל ר' חיים, this one too, needs to be pondered, contemplated, dissected and sourced in order to be properly understood. 


'ה created many different types of personalities in this world. Some are rooted in מדת החסד, others in מדת הגבורה, some are a blend of both, there is a spectrum and most people fall somewhere between the two extremes. Generally people from the חסד personalities are more emotional, while people from גבורה are more logical. Each מדה comes with its own challenges. Someone that is closer to "חסד" won’t struggle as much with being judgmental because of his easygoing nature, he lets things slide, doesn’t bear a grudge as much as one who’s rooted in מדת הגבורה. On the flip side, someone who is naturally a גבור, will generally be much more disciplined, punctual, and not as prone to the swinging emotions of someone who’s rooted in מדת החסד.

Being that מדת החסד people are more expansive and less disciplined, they are far more likely to stumble in ares of קדושה than those from מדת הגבורה. Indeed, the תורה describes one of the עריות with "חסד היא". These people are also usually blessed with a gift of an עין טובה. They are more forgiving of other people’s faults and are able to see past the factual deed that was done. They’ll have an easier time uncovering the truth that lies beyond the dry, cold, logical facts than their גבורה counterparts.

הנוגע לענינינו. My assumption is (and I could very well be wrong), that most people that ended up on this site are closer on the spectrum to the חסד side. 

Amevakesh, this is truly enlightening and very cathartic for me. What's interesting, is that as a Rebbi, the Rosh Yeshiva I work for, regularly tells me "Muttel, you have too much of an עין טובה!" We need to be able to come down hard on the boys sometimes and can't let that get in the way....

Through your שטיקל here, I'm seeing myself more as a חסד leaning נשמה with the benefits and challenges that come with it. 
The more I think about the מלאכים I've come to know on this forum, the more I see your observation is spot on.....

Thank you!

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Last Edit: 16 Jun 2024 15:17 by Muttel.

Re: Chaim's Oigen 23 Jun 2024 23:09 #415693

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Rabbeinu! Your Talmidim eagerly await the next installment of Reb Chaim's wisdom

Re: Chaim's Oigen 01 Aug 2024 00:40 #418228

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R' Chaim, it has been a while since you shared with us another one of your Oigen...
You can win the fight, but I'll have to live with the loser.

Any excuse you use for yourself, you must be willing to use for your wife.

Not Always can I understand others, but I can always respect their wishes.

You're human, it's okay.

One half of the world cannot understand the pleasures of the other.
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