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Re: Tryin' 15 May 2017 08:34 #313090

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cordnoy wrote on 15 May 2017 02:13:
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"So in the mood now. my life in terms of healthness kind of stinks. I need to work harder on myself and for myself. My main issue that is blocking me from reaching that goal is my self hatred. I simply don't love myself enough to work so hard for me. For anyone else I would do it . But for me, no way."

MakesMakes me wonder: what motivmotivated me? It wasn't my love for self. T'was more the unbearability of a life that sucked. 

Isn't that step 1?

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Re: Tryin' 15 May 2017 10:18 #313100

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Singularity wrote on 15 May 2017 08:34:

cordnoy wrote on 15 May 2017 02:13:
II saw the followin':

"So in the mood now. my life in terms of healthness kind of stinks. I need to work harder on myself and for myself. My main issue that is blocking me from reaching that goal is my self hatred. I simply don't love myself enough to work so hard for me. For anyone else I would do it . But for me, no way."

MakesMakes me wonder: what motivmotivated me? It wasn't my love for self. T'was more the unbearability of a life that sucked. 

Isn't that step 1?

Does it matter where the motivation comes from?

No.

NotNot sure.
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Re: Tryin' 15 May 2017 15:34 #313149

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Re: Tryin' 15 May 2017 16:13 #313162

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cordnoy wrote on 15 May 2017 02:13:
II saw the followin':

I simply don't love myself enough to work so hard for me. For anyone else I would do it . But for me, no way."

MakesMakes me wonder: what motivmotivated me? It wasn't my love for self. T'was more the unbearability of a life that sucked. 

Disagree on the first. If you ask any psychologist they will tell you that you cannot love someone else unless you love yourself. You cannot give that what you do not have.

What will you do if your current life starts to suck, will you revert back to the old life that sucked? Both suck, might as well enjoy it.
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Re: Tryin' 15 May 2017 18:48 #313207

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Mesayin wrote on 15 May 2017 16:13:

cordnoy wrote on 15 May 2017 02:13:
II saw the followin':

I simply don't love myself enough to work so hard for me. For anyone else I would do it . But for me, no way."

MakesMakes me wonder: what motivmotivated me? It wasn't my love for self. T'was more the unbearability of a life that sucked. 

Disagree on the first. If you ask any psychologist they will tell you that you cannot love someone else unless you love yourself. You cannot give that what you do not have.

What will you do if your current life starts to suck, will you revert back to the old life that sucked? Both suck, might as well enjoy it.

II don't understand your comment.

How can you disagree with someone's feelin's? That's what they wrote? Are you sayin' that someone can't love someone else if they don't love themself?
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Re: Tryin' 15 May 2017 18:57 #313209

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cordnoy wrote on 15 May 2017 18:48:

Mesayin wrote on 15 May 2017 16:13:

cordnoy wrote on 15 May 2017 02:13:
II saw the followin':

I simply don't love myself enough to work so hard for me. For anyone else I would do it . But for me, no way."

MakesMakes me wonder: what motivmotivated me? It wasn't my love for self. T'was more the unbearability of a life that sucked. 

Disagree on the first. If you ask any psychologist they will tell you that you cannot love someone else unless you love yourself. You cannot give that what you do not have.

What will you do if your current life starts to suck, will you revert back to the old life that sucked? Both suck, might as well enjoy it.

II don't understand your comment.

How can you disagree with someone's feelin's? That's what they wrote? Are you sayin' that someone can't love someone else if they don't love themself?

Yes sir, that is exactly what I am saying, should I bring sources for that?
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Re: Tryin' 15 May 2017 19:02 #313211

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Sure.

Please.
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Re: Tryin' 15 May 2017 19:12 #313213

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Alright right now I don't have the source in front of me, I'll need to do some digging.

I heard it from Dr. Dovid lieberman and I am mostly sure that I also heard it from Rabbi Dr. A.J Twerski.

Perhaps you can do some digging yourself.

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Re: Tryin' 16 May 2017 01:28 #313239

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One who does not love himself because he has low self esteem will have difficulties lovin' others; the relationship might not work. However, one who does not love himself because of his actions and behavior, can quite possibly love another.
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Re: Tryin' 16 May 2017 14:50 #313301

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cordnoy wrote on 16 May 2017 01:28:
One who does not love himself because he has low self esteem will have difficulties lovin' others; the relationship might not work. However, one who does not love himself because of his actions and behavior, can quite possibly love another.

Would you say someone suffering deeply from addiction has low self esteem or a high self esteem?
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Re: Tryin' 16 May 2017 14:55 #313302

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Mesayin wrote on 16 May 2017 14:50:

cordnoy wrote on 16 May 2017 01:28:
One who does not love himself because he has low self esteem will have difficulties lovin' others; the relationship might not work. However, one who does not love himself because of his actions and behavior, can quite possibly love another.

Would you say someone suffering deeply from addiction has low self esteem or a high self esteem?

II would not know.

I'm assumin' you think the answer is low self esteem. By me, however, it was and is high self esteem. I know others with similar tendencies. I know addicts who have low self esteem as well.

Bottom line, I don't think they are necessary related.
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Re: Tryin' 16 May 2017 15:09 #313304

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cordnoy wrote on 16 May 2017 14:55:

Mesayin wrote on 16 May 2017 14:50:

cordnoy wrote on 16 May 2017 01:28:
One who does not love himself because he has low self esteem will have difficulties lovin' others; the relationship might not work. However, one who does not love himself because of his actions and behavior, can quite possibly love another.

Would you say someone suffering deeply from addiction has low self esteem or a high self esteem?

II would not know.

I'm assumin' you think the answer is low self esteem. By me, however, it was and is high self esteem. I know others with similar tendencies. I know addicts who have low self esteem as well.

Bottom line, I don't think they are necessary related.

Actually, I think to answer my question, one would need a degree in addiction and in mental health and no one here I know has either.
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Re: Tryin' 16 May 2017 21:52 #313361

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Self-esteem is overrated.
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Re: Tryin' 16 May 2017 21:54 #313362

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Shlomo24 wrote on 16 May 2017 21:52:
Self-esteem is overrated.

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Re: Tryin' 16 May 2017 21:56 #313364

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Shlomo24 wrote on 16 May 2017 21:52:
Self-esteem is overrated.

And your evidence for that?
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