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Re: Shemiras Einayim- Non non-tznius 12 Aug 2012 13:13 #143495

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And another idea I just found from Bards
40004 wrote on 11 Jan 2011 20:09:

chani gets free galleh

cause she smiles

chaim yankel

like all men

fall for an innocent smile

Let's put the above quote into context, Bardichev wrote a story about Pretty Chani Friedstein and her messed up husband Heshy, titled Harry's Son. EBD wrote a story titled But No Green Elephants. Part of the plot in Harry's Son, gets the reader to imagine that Yanki[that's Harry's son]'s Rebbe is having an affair with Chani-Mrs. Friedstein [please keep in mind that the target audience is a buncha lust addicts], and then the reader sees that that's not what the rebbe was doing at all...
Here, EBD [combining characters and ideas from both stories] relates how the butcher always gives Mrs. Friedstein the finest cuts of meat and then masterfully imitates Reb Bardichev's technique, giving a different reason for the butcher's "chanifa".
Bardichev however, chooses to stress that, while the melamed-rebbe in his story was an exception, all men fall for innocent smiles, Chani walked into the butcher, smiled, said hello, and ordered and the butcher thought !#$%$^%& ..........

?דער באשעפער לאווט מיך אייביג. וויפיל לאוו איך עהם
My Creator loves me at all times. How great is my love for him?

Re: Shemiras Einayim- Non non-tznius 13 Aug 2012 16:03 #143558

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TehillimZugger wrote on 11 Aug 2012 21:47:

Reb MT: With all due respect. When I lust after "Malki" or "Chani" or "Esti", it's because my head is screwed on wrong, it's because I imagine that Malki is thinking...

You write:

I never chapped this inyan of "praying for her". Lemoshol, how does that work if I encounter an image on my computer (chas vesholom!) of an immodest female, but lemayseh it's not a real photo, but more like a Photoshop creation, i.e. a figment of somebody's imagination. So whom an I praying for? (The one whe concocted the image?)

MT

Exactly the point, Malki, Chani, Esti are also my imagination, if I step out of my imagination and am forced to pray for them as people, not as pixels I created in Photoshop...

ודי לחכימא ברמיזא

Dear TZ,

I guess I'm not a chakima, cuz' I don't get the remiza. In your scenario, Malki, Chani, Esti are real people (no?). Your imagination about them is fake. So you pray for them as the people that they actually are. But I'm asking about a beautiful artistic drawing of nobody in particular. Are you saying that I should make believe it is a real person and pray for 'it'? ???

Please (don't give up on me and) try again,

MT

Re: Shemiras Einayim- Non non-tznius 14 Aug 2012 18:15 #143683

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yechida wrote on 27 Oct 2009 18:06:

the "frum" yetzer harah is the worst

this tzaddekes,so tzniusdik,so much chein,so much yishuv hadaas,always calm,pleasant smile,soft-spoken,wise,everything about her is so well thought out,does chesed,with it,knows midrash,davens with kavannah but does so quietly and with dignity,and really really an anav.

this tzadekkes is more dangerous to you then the prostitute

happy that klall yisroel has such a tzadekkes but Hashem says never mind,put your mind to other things such as Yanky himself

?דער באשעפער לאווט מיך אייביג. וויפיל לאוו איך עהם
My Creator loves me at all times. How great is my love for him?

Re: Shemiras Einayim- Non non-tznius 19 Aug 2012 10:43 #143918

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Dr. wrote on 08 Feb 2010 13:18:

There are often idiosyncratic details added to the sexual fantasy or acting out that enhance the longed for emotional satisfaction for particular individuals. For example, one person was especially desirous of peeping on very frum girls caught in the act of self stimulation. In his mind, such girls are usually less involved in sexual matters and therefore, such an act would be considered especially intimate. Similarly, another person, suffering from same sex attraction (SSA) was especially attracted to "ultra-Orthodox" men, because he believed that they have little sexual interests and so the fact that such a person desires him was especially ego-enhancing.

?דער באשעפער לאווט מיך אייביג. וויפיל לאוו איך עהם
My Creator loves me at all times. How great is my love for him?

Re: Shemiras Einayim- Non non-tznius 13 Mar 2013 00:14 #203470

mr. emunah Current streak: 121 days OFFLINE Platinum Boarder Posts: 1139 Karma: 43	can we get this thread going a gain, I have so much what to say I don't know where to begin... one starting point, during one of my sinning sprees I was viciously searching for Frum Heimish shmutz, and I discovered that one of the images had been photoshopped to look jewish... I wanted to KILL THEM I only wanted frum and heimish not goyisha and shmutzig

Re: Shemiras Einayim- Non non-tznius 13 Mar 2013 00:57 #203484

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the picture is shimshon hagibor. not st. mary....
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this topic is also a particular problem of mine.i can see a goyta unless shes really pretty and not tzniusdig i usually wont think twice but a frum girl even when she isn't that attractive i still have to battle with myself not to look or think about her.
but interestingly enough when i would look for shmutz on the internet i wouldn't think of looking for frum shmutz.I think its because i felt that it wasn't right to her to do it but a goy who has no respect for herself as a person and only thinks of her body then i'm not wronging her by lusting through her because that's who she made herself into.(But the truth is that its the men who made them do that by making society into the mess it is today in order to satisfy their tayvos but i guess that that is for another topic..)

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Re: Shemiras Einayim- Non non-tznius 13 Mar 2013 01:01 #203485

mr. emunah Current streak: 121 days OFFLINE Platinum Boarder Posts: 1139 Karma: 43	yup I was also ashamed and still am that I persued them, but then I got this special feeling... it's more than just p*** or excitement.. it's like a connection thing... LORD SAVE US ALL BTW baruch Hashem the Frum shmutz stuff is pretty limited...

Re: Shemiras Einayim- Non non-tznius 15 Mar 2013 02:35 #203584

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mifatfait wrote:

Eye.nonymous wrote on 15 Nov 2012 13:05:

Later on I took the subway home, and couldn’t stop staring at a particular lady. What got me most was that she was modestly dressed, “so it’s not so bad!” That sick rationalization again.

It's always those tznius girls that get me the worst.
So modest and beautifull.
Feel that it is God's will to lust after them.
He made lust to bring me happiness and soothe my rough edges.
Not with porn and ichy bad stuff,
but with those nice dressed up from ladies.
I am sick.

Someone told me more,
that the most attractive is that which is covered,
the fantasies can imagine anything and everything.
Lust doesn't leave me alone on busses.
Is very hard.
Lust after every frum well shaped object that I can see.
Dont feel bad that makes them object,
cause I am sick and think that's what they really are.

?דער באשעפער לאווט מיך אייביג. וויפיל לאוו איך עהם
My Creator loves me at all times. How great is my love for him?

Re: Shemiras Einayim- Non non-tznius 15 Mar 2013 18:31 #203615

mr. emunah Current streak: 121 days OFFLINE Platinum Boarder Posts: 1139 Karma: 43	yes I know

Re: Shemiras Einayim- Non non-tznius 13 Aug 2017 02:40 #318697

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Mr mudechai with darkened eyeglasses pls check the end of this post

tehillimzugger wrote on 18 Oct 2011 05:00:

kidushashem wrote on 18 Oct 2011 00:29:

I know what you're talking about. I'm finding though that it's becoming easier to treat them as people and not lust after them.

SHE's not a GIRL she's a person
SHE's not a GIRL she's a person
SHE's not a GIRL she's a person

it's not working, any tips? ???

kidushashem wrote on 18 Oct 2011 00:29:

stop imagining that there's something there, you'll be fine.

but there IS something there :-[

kidushashem wrote on 18 Oct 2011 00:29:

Say hello when you need to, be polite, done. Don't bump into trees because you don't want to look at the shaina meidel.

i'm not bumping into trees- don't worry about me ;D

[besides for once when i was on a major "up" and in the corner of my eye i saw a girl approaching so i veered off course a bit to avoid her, but then she imitated me, putting us on a straight collision course
with my eyes almost stuck to the sidewalk i attempted to move even further- but there she was again almost bumping into me. and then....
she spoke- she spoke to me and told me "good shabbos" which is when i realized that it was my sister ;D we had a good laugh on that one, but i was a bit embarrassed at having treated her as a pink elephant]

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