There are obviously many tools of recovery besides SA. Markz, Cordnoy, and many people whose stories are in Markz signature can attest to that.

For some, SA is a gift. For others, it’s not. For some, CBT is the answer. For others, it’s not. 

There are are so many possibilities and combinations, and believe it or not, some people just stop acting out and that’s it. Perhaps after many falls and tries, but they do. 

And it doesn’t matter if you’re an addict or not, because there are people here who aren’t addicts and can’t stop, and people here who would say they are and have stopped with SA.

You have to learn from everyone and see what they did, but then tweak that and take what works for you. 

Workingguy wrote on 17 Nov 2017 00:12:

Markz, stop wastin' your time on you know what and dedicate some effort to gettin' the "five star" system for each post into place.

This is gold.

I wish everyone (includin' me) would write like this.

In response to your comments:

Having a filter, besides the obvious benefits (accidental typos don't mistakenly access inappropriate sites.....) , is something Gedolei Yisroel have instructed us to do. This brings along with it added syatta d'shmaya we all can use. Of course some individuals may have been advised by rabbonim or professionals that in their specific case this policy does not apply.

Staying connected is one of the strongest forces in breaking addictive bad habits.

There are many people who have recovered without SA. Those who are successful in SA should continue, for that is the path working for them. And those who are successful through other means should continue with their mehalech. I am BH clean a little over 11 months. Back in the beginning I was ready to join a SA meeting and already met with a local sponsor. During one of my many calls to Dov during those beginning days I mentioned i was joining SA. He surprisingly told me "You don't belong in SA. Its not meant for guys like you. Your job is to work and fight the yetzer hora. For you SA will just be an easy way out when you can get really cured."  Bli ayin hora the rest is history, and we daven for continued success.

Here at GYE we respect the various opinions of all the people who graciously take out the time to post. We may sometimes disagree on method and approach. But we are all in this together to help each other successfully stay clean and live better healthier happier holier lives. Hatzlocha to all my brothers here.

Just to clarify
I was not saying he should join SA nor was i saying he should not have a filter.
I cant have a filter for my work. But he is not me.
I was saying that he should stop white knuckling.
Having said all that, I wonder if he ever spoke to Dov and heard Dov's opinion for himself.

Day #7 of 2nd round - Day #97

Today im passing one week 2nd round clean, i just don't have a computer today so ill do it short today... but hay guys, you are good, and keep it up this way..

Remember: One day at a time, why mess up the day when most of the day is almost over, stay positive, think and talk positive then everything will go your way, only with Simcha.

Thank you all!!! Im still clean all because of you, your support, your posts, your messages and what not.. keep it up.

Let’s Stay Strong! Let’s Stay Clean! And let’s be positive and happy, Yes! We can and we will do it! And Together....

Day #8 of 2nd round - Day #98

Today is day #8 of 2nd round clean, and im happy the way im heading too, its the way to Hashem, he loves me, and i love him, its the best thing in the world, to be clean, its freedom, its life, i feel great about it, and i will continue this way the rest of my life, why go back to the old muddy stuff? dosent pay.... 

i sew today in the ערוגת הבושם that the Torah says by Yakov: והיו כימים אחדים באהבתו אותה that Yakov was waiting 7 years to get his Kallah, and he loved her, so how did he managed to not have a fall? he managed by doing it "At One Day At A Time" והיו כימים אחדים באהבתו אותה, he says, that the Medrash says on the Passik ויהי ערב ויהי בוקר יום אחד, זה יום כיפור so he explains that in order to stay clean which thats the goal of every jew on yom kipur, to stay clean the entire day, is to deal with it as "One Day At A Time" יום אחד Gevaldig..... isnt it?

Remember: One day at a time, why mess up the day when most of the day is almost over, stay positive, think and talk positive then everything will go your way, only with Simcha.

Thank you all!!! Im still clean all because of you, your support, your posts, your messages and what not.. keep it up.

Let’s Stay Strong! Let’s Stay Clean! And let’s be positive and happy, Yes! We can and we will do it! And Together....

Day #9 of 2nd round - Day #99

Today is day #9 of 2nd round clean, i'm the luckiest person in the world, i'm reaching tomorrow 100 days since i fall last time, hay, i love it.. who want to dance with me???? i'm really Besimcha, i'm clean i'm sober... and yes if i did it, you can too, just be positive, think positive, talk positive, and everything will change, don't believe me, just do it your self and you will experience the same. when you are positive, all around you will turn positive, and when you are positive you are guaranteed not to fall.....

Remember: One day at a time, why mess up the day when most of the day is almost over, stay positive, think and talk positive then everything will go your way, only with Simcha.

Thank you all!!! Im still clean all because of you, your support, your posts, your messages and what not.. keep it up.

Let’s Stay Strong! Let’s Stay Clean! And let’s be positive and happy, Yes! We can and we will do it! And Together....

Day #10 of 2nd round - Day #100
im Super excited today, 100 days, what a milestone.... even i have my tough moments here and there, but i show them my back right after approaching me, i dont have time for that, and i wont mess with success, and its usually takes just a few moments, and its much much easier it used to be.. 

Question is: am i an addict? no clue, was i? i dont care, but maybe i should care, so someone else can learn from me, that there is a way out even as an edict??? i don't know, will leave that to others to figure that out. 

bottom line!!! im free from this monster/YH, im having a grand time with out being his partner, from time to time he comes to me, in a friendly manner, we should get back together, and playing together, and im just ignoring him, i know he is mad on me, i just dont care, i hate him, he should go to hell, and he should leave me alone, i dont want to know him, he ruined my first 30+ years, and im not interested of being friends again with him.... and i have a good advise for all of you, just get rid of him ASAP, he is not your friend, he is your enemy... 

Remember: One day at a time, why mess up the day when most of the day is almost over, stay positive, think and talk positive then everything will go your way, only with Simcha.

Thank you all!!! Im still clean all because of you, your support, your posts, your messages and what not.. keep it up.

Let’s Stay Strong! Let’s Stay Clean! And let’s be positive and happy, Yes! We can and we will do it! And Together....

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Day #11 of 2nd round - Day #101

Today is Day #11, its Friday, and i hope and pray for an easy shabbes, for me and for all of you, BH its not that long afternoon, which its the toughest time of the week, so i hope not to have any struggles, there is no time to play with kids, acting out, and afternoon nap, so i think i will leave out the acting out... its much better without that, i wont give up playing and shmuzing with my kids and my nap, so i will leave out the acting out......

may you all have a clean and joyful shabbes, best and toughest day of the week. 

Remember: One day at a time, why mess up the day when most of the day is almost over, stay positive, think and talk positive then everything will go your way, only with Simcha.

Thank you all!!! Im still clean all because of you, your support, your posts, your messages and what not.. keep it up.

Let’s Stay Strong! Let’s Stay Clean! And let’s be positive and happy, Yes! We can and we will do it! And Together....

אינו דומה שונה פרקו מאה פעמים לשונה פרקו מאה ואחת

KUTGW!!

Gevura Shebyesod wrote on 24 Nov 2017 16:22:

Gevura! you are good, but i still dont believe in myself, i can still have a massive fall, which will get me only stronger, Hashem! please dont test me with that test...

Day #14 of 2nd round - Day #104

Today is 2 weeks of my second round, will i make it again to 90 days? hope yes, im asking hashem that i should, and he will definitely help me getting there, he loves me, and i love him, he did in the past and keeps on doing for me so much good, which i dont deserve it, Thank you hashem, im really thankful to you, and please help me stay lean, i dont want to fall, i cant alone only with your help.

shabbes was super great, every Motze Shabbes, which passes clean im soo soo soo happy, im petrified about shabbes, used to be crazy, but now, its my best day, but i still have that Pachad about it, in the past, there were no shabbes without a fall, but now, its only with joy and family time, learning and shmusing... thank you all..... your credit.... 

Remember: One day at a time, why mess up the day when most of the day is almost over, stay positive, think and talk positive then everything will go your way, only with Simcha.

Thank you all!!! Im still clean all because of you, your support, your posts, your messages and what not.. keep it up.

Let’s Stay Strong! Let’s Stay Clean! And let’s be positive and happy, Yes! We can and we will do it! And Together....

Day #17 of 2nd round - Day #107

today is day #17, and its a great day, no lust so far, last few days was easy once, no struggles and its just getting easier by the day. i wouldn't dream that i will be at this point one day, im a man, i have my own life, and not hostage by lust, porn and ladys..... its the best feeling ever, and i hope to stay like that ever.... 

​i had an interesting story yesterday, i was in mid new jersey, middle of a small town, probably no Jews in that area, so i went to that gas station to full up my car, and that fellow was assisting me, after he was done i gave him a dollar for a tip, so he got that huge smile, he was thanking me, and he told me, "you guys are the best, only you guys from your community are giving tips and doing all kind of favors, i had once a problem, and one of your guys helped me out for no charge, you guys are the best" what a Kidush Hashem, i loved that, it gave me that good feeling...

All the Best! and remember, One Day At A Time, thats the way, and yes, with a positive Smile......

Let’s Stay Strong! Let’s Stay Clean! And let’s be positive and happy, Yes! We can and we will do it! And Together....