Day #2

finally, im at the second time TODAY in my new cycle.... and i will hopefully not be anymore at day #2, im so excited that im still part of GYE, after falling there is big chances to give up, but that's not me, i keep on marching (marks doesn't like to march, only trucking....) im not giving up, im still a fathers a child, i still love hashem, and i will always try to do what he likes, 

Hashem, thank you, for helping me to survive, thank you all of you on GYE, I’m clean only because of you, it has nothing to do with me… I’m powerless, I wouldn’t be clean today without your help, I’m very happy that I’m part of this chevrah, without you, I wouldn’t be where I’m today.

Thank you all!!!

Let’s Stay Strong! Let’s Stay Clean! And let’s be positive and happy, Yes! We can! And Together!

cordnoy wrote on 17 Aug 2017 19:37:

thank you for the clarification, but i think "lust" is interchangeable...

cordnoy wrote on 17 Aug 2017 19:37:

Great post, but...
Lust (defined as desire out of control) is definitely a part of creation, or at least the capability for one to choose to lust. But it's not inevitable or necessary for the world to function. Desire, on the other hand, is a necessary part of the functioning of the world.

Shivisi_Hashem wrote on 17 Aug 2017 19:46:

I don't.

The reason I'm being persistent is because the definition of "powerless" is completely different based on your understandin' of the word lust, and then the whole relyin' on God changes, and that my friend is why some people white knuckle and some people recover.

B'hatzlachah to all

cordnoy wrote on 17 Aug 2017 19:37:

very clear and articulate distinction between desire and lust. Thank you! 

Gevura Shebyesod wrote on 17 Aug 2017 20:04:

Yep.

For me lust is taking something out of it's intended purpose and using it to fulfill selfish desires. It could be sex, alcohol, other people, intimacy, food, anything. Wanting to have sex with someone is not lust unless I'm using that to make me feel good or fill a need.

Shlomo24 wrote on 18 Aug 2017 03:10:

So lust = X (whatever the desire is) + letting the animalistic part of us be in control.

Using sexual lust as an example,
This color = desire | This color = lust
I see someone walking & instinctively look at her. Then I realize that I'm looking at what I shouldn't be looking at. But my desire is so strong, so I allow myself to continue looking.
After a minute, I start to feel guilty (or I feel that I love Hashem so much & he doesn't want me to look), so I decide to look away. It's so difficult, because the desire is so strong, so I tell Hashem: I would really like to stop, but it's nearly impossible to stop myself. I did all I can, now it's your turn, please take care of this for me, fight the fight for me, because there's no way that I'll win myself.

bb0212 wrote on 18 Aug 2017 05:38:

Very clear and very well said.
can you or anyone please tell me in לשון הקודש what desire and lust is called?

Shivisi_Hashem wrote on 20 Aug 2017 04:01:

Shivisi_Hashem wrote on 20 Aug 2017 04:01:

Firstly, if I remember correctly, at the end of my post, I meant to ask if I got that straight.

Secondly, I don't know the complete answer to your question, but there are multiple words that are similar. Some that I came up with, are
חשק
חפץ
תאווה

 In בראשית ל''ד ח, it discusses שכם & דינה and רש"י translates חשק as חפץ.

דברים ז ז
"חשק ה' בכם"
 if Hashem desired us it would make sense, if he lusted us, I don't think it does.

דברים י ט''ו
 has very similar connotations

דברים כ''א: י''א & י''ד
 uses the word חשק by אשת יפת תואר.


no idea if this helps at all, but I'm too tired to continue right now.

This whole discussion is great but it does get confusing when dealing with two different languages.

You see in Hebrew SA they actually call lust תַאֲוָה.

Then you go to google and you find out there are many words all discussing this concept of desire.

GS: I love the reason for the edit. And yes, it is confusing. The white book definition of lust (and the one I've adopted also) is an amazing concept. I'm not 100% into the White Book (Roy K was a devout Christian who's writings were influenced by that) I love the part about lust.

I seem to recall one of meforshim discussing the order of the words used in the Parsha of Dinah and also in the Parsha of Yefas Toar where the words appear in the reverse order. 

Day #6

day #6 Hashem created the human, he created us in a very perfect way, and lets try to keep it perfect, and everybody has a different meaning of perfect, no one is born alike, and by me perfect means clean of porn, clean of looking after women, clean of acting out, and i will try to accomplish that. not an easy one, but thats my goal, and thats for sure what hashem wants from me, 

its not a different what the terms of lust and desire is, what ever it means, we need to overpower it, and we cant, its impossible, only with hashems help we can be on top of it, and im praying daily and begging hashem he should help me stay clean, i sew this week somewhere, i dont remember where, that in any Tefilah we want hashem should listen to it sooner, we should ask for it as a Klal not for myself, but for the entire Klal Yisroel, so im keep on Davening for the entire klal Yisroel and GYE Bifrat we should be able to stay clean.

Hashem, thank you, for helping me to survive, thank you all of you on GYE, I’m clean only because of you, it has nothing to do with me… I’m powerless, I wouldn’t be clean today without your help, I’m very happy that I’m part of this chevrah, without you, I wouldn’t be where I’m today.

Thank you all!!!

Let’s Stay Strong! Let’s Stay Clean! And let’s be positive and happy, Yes! We can! And Together!

Day #7

Today is #7 i'm clean for a week, isn't that great? i wish you all this great feeling, not acting out, no porn watching, no looking at opposite gender, its such a good feeling, so why act out and feel good about it for just a moment and then feel horrible, then not acting out and feel GREAT all the time???? 

Today is Rosh Chodesh Elul, what a great month, we are much closer to hashem, so we can ask him in much an easier way to stay clean, he should help us, because this test is not an easy one, and only with his help we can pass it, lets have each other in mind, Tefilas Rabim is a very big tool...

Hashem, thank you, for helping me to survive, thank you all of you on GYE, I’m clean only because of you, it has nothing to do with me… I’m powerless, I wouldn’t be clean today without your help, I’m very happy that I’m part of this chevrah, without you, I wouldn’t be where I’m today.

Thank you all!!!

Let’s Stay Strong! Let’s Stay Clean! And let’s be positive and happy, Yes! We can! And Together!