I just realized that the word עבירה comes from the
root עבר (past). The lust and "הנאה" from the aveira is transient. 
It will be gone with the past faster than you can say 
"Shalom Aleica Rabbi." 
The word מצוה is similar to the word מצוי (found). The sechar 
and happiness of a mitsvah, on the other hand, will not 
fade as quickly and will stay with you both in this world 
and the next. 
Hope this gives chizuk to someone!

I just realized that the word עבירה comes from the root עברה (pregnant/expand). The lust and "הנאה" from the aveira will be even greater than you initially intended. 

The word מצוה is similar to the word מצוי (squeeze). The sechar and happiness of a mitsvah, on the other hand, will be less than expected and it will squeeze the life out of you.

The above (which I wrote) is wrong, stupid and silly. 

I don't get it. What was your intention in your post?

Trouble wrote:

The extrapolation is silly and 'trouble'some, but the thought is great and whoever gives the right nimshal gets a free virtual KAR... wash 

Trouble, 
Maybe I can twist you words to be Emet instead of Sheker. 

The word Avera is similar to the word עברה (pregnant). 
Every sin is pregnant with another that awaits the sinner. 
This fits in with Chazal's words עבירה גוררת עבירה! 
(One sin leads to another)

In fact the first sin was done by Chava when she ate from 
the tree of knowledge. What was her punishment? Pregnancy! 
Do you see the connection? hmmm... 
The word חוה is similar to the word חיה (beast). Every person 
has a wild beast within them to do averot, but we have to realize 
that if we fall to the snake (yetser hara) then we will be punished
with pregnancy - even more sins and challenges down the road. 

The word Mitsvah is similar to the word מצוי (squeeze). 
When a person is under stress it helps to squeeze a 
stress ball. The Mitvot are a person's stressball. When 
you are feeling under stress bc of the yetser hara grab 
onto the mitsvot and squeeze. 
The word מצוי can also mean expand. What is the one 
mitsvah that is boundless and expands infintely? Yup,
the Torah! Chazal say Hashem created the yetser hara 
(the חיה) and he created the Tavlin (Talmud Torah). 

No matter how much Torah you learn there will always  
be more to learn. Do you know the reason why? Chazal 
say that a person should not feel safe from his yetser 
hara until the day he dies. There is a constant war! So 
therefore, we need a medicine that will always be there 
to counter our yester hara and help us win the nisayon!

The above (which I wrote is) Emet - my own Chiddush!
Hope this gives someone chizuk! Again!

Trouble wrote on 03 Jan 2017 04:38:

Looks like "Trouble" is trying to stir up some trouble 

But I will also try to twist his words into emes, and combine the two ideas.

The word עבירה comes from the root עברה (pregnant/expand). The Yetzer Hara tells us that the lust and "הנאה" from the aveira will be even greater than you initially intended. However, the word עבירה also comes from the root עבר (past). The lust and "הנאה" from the aveira is transient. It will be gone with the past faster than you can say "Shalom Aleicha Rabbi." 

The word מצוה is similar to the word מצוי (squeeze). The Yetzer Hara tries to convince us that the sechar and happiness of a mitsvah will be far less than expected and it will squeeze the life out of you. But the word מצוה is similar to the word מצוי (found). The sechar and happiness of a mitsvah will stay with you both in this world and the next!

I like the short dvar Torah, Guard.
You simply made Everchange's first post the reality of how it is,
(how our unclouded yetzer tov sees it),
and Trouble's post into how the yetzer hara tries to convince us is reality.

I guess this is even hinted at from their user names. 

(nothing personal Trouble...but maybe choose a different name )

everchange wrote on 03 Jan 2017 05:21:

To show that when you use your own thinking, you can come up with anything.

Try quoting from a sefer.

All of my posts so far are from my own thinking.
If you have a problem with it then you don't have 
read them. I am simply trying to give chizuk in 
new ways that people haven't heard of before. 
If my posts aren't material that give chizuk than I 
can remove them. 

everchange wrote on 03 Jan 2017 17:01:

This is true indeed. One is not obligated to read them. I pointed out that if one uses his own thinking of two similar words, he can come up with anything, hence nothing.

There is a reason why Hashem created that the words 
should fall upon each other's lashon. No?
If you are true to yourself then you can find the connection. 
Some people are not true themselves or are occupied 
with the yetser hara so they need to read the truth from 
a sefer. It's two different madregot. Just because you are 
not on one doesn't make the other false chas veshalom. 

Edit: by true to yourself I mean by looking for the positive 
or good instead of the corrupted; your extrapolation of the 
words was intended as the corrupted version the yetser hara 
would tell you. I am simply trying to tell you what the yester 
hatov can tell you. 

Christians are experts at twisting words to fit their arguments. 
They are not true to themselves. The person of truth can 
recognize this right away but the person who is not on that madrega 
needs someone to tell him so. Now I am not saying that my 
vorts are any where close to the vorts you can find in a sefer 
but I am being true to myself when I write them. I only want 
to see how people can see the connection so they can be 
inspired or strengthened.
I understand that you have an argument 
that I am noone to make the connections and I am not saying 
I am. Just please respect the thoughts of others and if you 
don't like other's posts then don't make rude comments questioning 
the validity or legitimacy of their posts.

Trouble wrote:

1) Everchange - please keep on Trucking and disregard the hecklers
2) Trouble, our thinking is what brought many of us onto this forum, and we are still stuck in our own thinking and therefore getting nowhere with breaking free

Trouble has a great fake name and I feel that he is making a valid point, naughty as it may be. 

Once we step into unbridled imagination, drushos can be made any way we want - for good or ill. And what might start out seeming very frum and proper-sounding may end up messing another person up terribly. Our good intentions are not always the best guide to goodness or good drushos.

That having been said, I read something deeper in Trouble's comment - a thing I know may not be there at all - but may be. So it might be worth recognizing and accepting without criticism:

He may have been burned by his failure to stay fully 'kosher' (that's why we are here, right?). He might be sensitive to drushos that people say to give us 'chizzuk' and convince us that "we can really finally stop if only we become good-enough yidden!". Naturally, many of us come here rather tired of yet another 'great vort', or another mussar schmooze. Those who really are at this stage need to be helped to give up and get real help, rather than 'pass the ammunition and keep fighting what is for them a silly, ego-based and losing fight that Hashem can't possibly really want them to fight any more. Enough already!

It is possible that he is a battle-worn loser, as I was for about 20 years (before recovery) and is coming to terms with that nasty-sounding fact. It hurts, and chizzuk is just teasing. especially if it appears joyfully oblivious and fanciful. Everchange is not to blame an iota, of course! He may be one of those people for whom the chizzuk is precisely what he needs! But here on the forum we have a collision of many different vehicles, so to speak.

On the other hand, Trouble might be none of that at all. He may be perfectly fine (besides the schmutz he is here for getting help with, I assume) and just likes to be a bit cynical or critical of the playful drusha tendency some people have. Nothing horrible about that. Nu.

Many drushos have been made and Toiros taught that did not help the struggling Jew. I was given very bad advice many times by very good rabbonim who I hold to be great yidden. They just didn't know better. They did not have a clue about addiction, I did not really clearly tell them all the dirty truth about what I was doing anyhow, and so all they did was confuse me further. My bad choice of following their advice (and I know that the choice was my responsibility, not theirs) was motivated by my deep commitment to keep right on doing what I felt I needed to do (sex and lust), at the time. I made many drushos back then, and some were technically true! But all were worthless to me, and so, BS. Like brochos levatolos. They are all true sh'vachos of Hashem! But worthless, and so, better not said al pi Halocha.

With all that having been said, believe it or not, I have a drusho I would like to make on the two words that everchange mentioned, too! :laughing:And (I think) they are based on B'nei Y'soschar, and I like them:  

It seems to me that the word Aveiro is a remez to the ikkar word of selichos: vaya'avor. See the same sefer for that word and how he interprets that word in relation to kaporas avonos and why it keeps coming up in the Torah related to it. Mesilas Yeshorim says Hashem's mechila comes from His changing history to make it as though it never happened. This time-travel thing is what the word vaya'avor is about. Now, we say brochos 'oiver la'asiyoson', right? "Oiver" means before in time and place...correct? But have you seen the gemoras that are the mekor for that din? They quote pesukim that make it virtually impossible to tell if the word 'oiver' actually means 'in front of' (before) or 'after' the thing...check it out.

This is because the word 'oiver' - ayin, veis, reish, is a time-travel word. It also relates to both time and place and itself means 'avar' - 'past tense'. Hey...I thought we make brochos oiver la'asiyoson and there, oiver means before! Why does the word itself then mean past tense?!

Weird, no?

Also, Hashem refers to that word in His main posuk about kapora (the 13 middos) where it says 'vaya'avor al ponov vayikroh...[13 middos]' and he changes TIME - as Mesillas Yeshorim says kapora works - because in mechilas and kaporas avonos He interprets vaya'avor the way He chooses: either referring to the past or referring to the future, and changes history with kaporas avonos. He is the Master over Time (and the existence of what we relate to as Time is davka shayich to the oilam of Teshuva - Binah, correct?). 

Have some fun with that one.

So that is one drusha that one might be able to say about the word 'aveira' referring to a sin.

And as far as a drusha on the word 'Mitzvah', all I have is a sweet thing the Mahara"l says: it is from the shoresh 'tzava' meaning 'connecting things' or deveikus (Chaza"l use that word [tzavsa] to mean a tweezers, that pinches together). I like that drusha, for the Zohar calls the taryag mitzvos. "taryag ittin (eitzos) to connect with Hashem." Mitzvos are connectors.

Are any of these drushos the Emes? I surely do not know. But they work for me and seem to have the ring of truth to me, personally. So I like them. And thanks for letting me share them here on your thread, everchange!

And I hope the oilem goes easy on Trouble...we are all well-aware that we have been in more real trouble than his naughty drusha was  and I bet he is a really nice fellow.

- Dov

Dov did you see the thread title?
You're trespassing...

Or maybe that's one of your shorter ones??

You are right, of course, but at least I apologized in the end of the post, no? Hope that makes it not as great a no-no.

Besides, that wasn't nice...aren't you afraid I'll mess with your karma rating chas vesholom?

Mwahahahahahahahah!!!!!!!