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Why The Hate 23 Aug 2024 00:09 #419816

There's been a lot going on the last few days on the forum, regarding people posting inappropriate things. The vibe I'm getting is if a guy used the forum to hook up with a guy for non good reasons HE IS A BAD PERSON but those who had falls like no-one could imagine gets a warm non-judgmental welcome. My question is why is that. I understand that such people are dangerous for what this site stands for but why do they get such hate. They also have a lust issue and they are pursuing after it, like many of us, though there's manifests a bit different.
I understand that such people have to be spoken out so no-one gets caught in them, but is that the "amkus" of the hate they get, or it's not so, and we should be also welcoming (I'm not sure how we can do this practically) to them. Most of such people deep down want to be good and want to change. Chances are they came to this site for help, and only afterward choped to use it to make "friends".
Waiting to hear back from you guys (and I hope I didn't make any enemies from this post).

Re: Why The Hate 23 Aug 2024 00:29 #419825

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Perhaps because they are predators. Safety is a priority or we lose the stability that allows GYE to persist.

They are exploiting people at their most vulnerable.
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Last Edit: 23 Aug 2024 00:30 by BenHashemBH.

Re: Why The Hate 23 Aug 2024 14:01 #419979

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Maybe it's cuz some of us have a lot of hate built up inside and this is the only way we can release it 

I've never met an evil person. I'm sure they exist but I haven't met any of them. I have met some really, deeply, screwed up or sick people. 

Someone who comes on GYE looking for a sexual partner (whether or not they know that's what they are doing) is pretty sick. They are definitely not going to get better from a warm and cheerful welcome and can't be allowed on the site for obvious safety reasons. 

If they get banned and keep coming back they're clearly acting deliberately. That riles people up. 

Re: Why The Hate 23 Aug 2024 17:00 #419997

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My friend, it is not hate at all. It is the practical way to keep everyone safe here. While we try to help others, the main priority of every person here should be themselves. Obviously anyone that is here, and that means EVERYONE, has some disposition to falling into lustful activity. And when someone, even if they are not evil, is making others not safe, in an area that they can easily fall prey (and I have spoken to more than one good guy here, that are currently doing well, that have on the way fallen into inappropriate conversations with others here). So, we gotta be safe. And the way we do that is by letting the person know that they are not welcome. Yes, they need help. And they probably can be helped. But not at the expense of anyone's safety
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Re: Why The Hate 23 Aug 2024 17:17 #420000

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I once heard of one rosh yeshiva that used to say to his talmidim; "I don't have any problem when I catch someone doing any mischief, as long as he is honest and willing to be helped. however, if he lies that means he isn't interested in getting better and he would tell him to leave.

I think the same may apply here. If someone would come up and be honest and saying; hey, iam struggling with trying to hoop up with other's, and I need help.. Iam sure he wouldn't get this hate
Last Edit: 23 Aug 2024 17:19 by willdoit.

Re: Why The Hate 23 Aug 2024 17:31 #420004

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As Eerie wrote safety comes first. I think it became pretty clear yesterday how things go when you try to be welcoming to someone who doesn't want to be helped. Someone told me a good rule of thumb. A therapist should never work harder than the client. Even in the therapist's office where there is no safety concern it is pointless to try to help someone who isn't looking for help.

I once had someone who wasn't taking care of his responsibilities as a parent and tried throwing them on me. My rov said that if a person doesn't take responsibility himself we aren't responsible for him. We aren't responsible to solve the problems of people who aren't looking for solutions. In our case where there is a safety concern this whole discussion is irrelevant as Eerie pointed out.

Re: Why The Hate 23 Aug 2024 18:46 #420013

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I don't think it would be good for people to post general advice on how to avoid dangerous people because the dangerous people can read it as well and learn new tactics. One thing that is extremely important is to never share your email address with someone until you know him very well and you are sure that he is safe. Also, when sharing an email address it should never be your personal email address. It should be an email address that has an anonymous name linked to it both in the address and in the profile. I didn't get harmed but I am concerned about everyone else's safety.
Last Edit: 23 Aug 2024 22:04 by yitzchokm.
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