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Re: Anyone tried this and succeeded? 19 Aug 2024 17:20 #419427

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So while the idea of not trying to stop cold turkey, is certainly an option for some, the general feeling from the responses is that simply "minimizing the pleasure' isn't necessarily the best way. I would take this to heart as the folks here have been there and done that, they tried everything and know all of the yetzer hara's tricks.

It could be that minimizing pleasure can be an additional factor, as you mentioned that it helps with your identity, but to be effective the main baby step changes should probably be in terms of how long you can avoid the temptation. In other words, strengthening your ability to say "no". So if until now you wouldn't make past Monday, now push till Tuesday and so forth.

As far as changing the stimuli I would suggest making it less convenient than it is now. So for example if it's on your phone now, then only make it available on a device that's less convenient, such as the family computer. Ideally where you sometimes would have to wait it out just because it's not practical to access the shmutz. Making the temptation less available is key to eventually beating this thing. Which is why everyone here will tell you that a filter is mandatory. 

I guess the conclusion is that to be successful we want to limit the amount of control this has over us as apposed to getting our regular fix and just changing the way we get it.

Re: Anyone tried this and succeeded? 22 Aug 2024 11:47 #419678

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yeshivabachur1 wrote on 22 Aug 2024 11:16:
Trying to stop the masterbation. It’s a struggle 

Shalom Brother,
What have you tried so far? 
What about it didn't work?
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Re: Anyone tried this and succeeded? 22 Aug 2024 12:25 #419682

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yeshivabachur1 wrote on 22 Aug 2024 12:19:
I was advised to try edging without actually releasing. But it doesn’t work. 

Can I ask who advised that and why?
In general, I'd think that's a very poor idea.
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Re: Anyone tried this and succeeded? 22 Aug 2024 12:26 #419683

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Re: Anyone tried this and succeeded? 22 Aug 2024 12:35 #419686

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yeshivabachur1 wrote on 22 Aug 2024 12:32:
My therapist 

The same therapist who suggested a boyfriend?

I think you need to talk to a Rav about yoir therapist.

Sorry to be blunt, but I mean to help you.
Today is yesterday's tomorrow.
The yetzarim a person has the most trouble dealing with are his most powerful God-given tools for developing his potential and achieving shleimus.
In order to love who you are, you cannot hate the experiences that shaped you.
It doesn't matter how big the number is, only that today it is going up by one.

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Re: Anyone tried this and succeeded? 22 Aug 2024 14:38 #419705

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Did the mods nuke that account?

He needed help. While we can provide encouragement, support, and advice - this isn't a place to be someone's Rav or therapist. Nor would it be good to actively/consistently be arguing with one when we don't really know him or his situation.

Hope he finds his way.
Today is yesterday's tomorrow.
The yetzarim a person has the most trouble dealing with are his most powerful God-given tools for developing his potential and achieving shleimus.
In order to love who you are, you cannot hate the experiences that shaped you.
It doesn't matter how big the number is, only that today it is going up by one.

A little about what I'm doing here: guardyoureyes.com/forum/19-Introduce-Yourself/412971-I-Want-to-Help-Others
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Re: Anyone tried this and succeeded? 22 Aug 2024 22:24 #419791

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Hi @imagibor, I love your question, and many of the responses here.

My initial feeling is that you don't realize how easy it is to stop. You tried many paths already, and you're working with your therapist on it, great! 

Did you ever read The Battle of the Generation? Did you get a good filter? You will shock yourself when you finally break free, how easy it is. Like the Gemara about the future, seeing the yh, reshaim gemurim will see it was like a thin string.

From such a perspective, it is silly to keep looking at p... pix, and ma.... Just stop fully! 

What is your longest streak to stay clean?

When you vaped, if you felt it was bad, dangerous or whatever, why did you not lower the nic level every 2 or 3 weeks? Why wait so many years? Same question here. Don't keep looking at p...

Full respect for you, someone who cares so much!
frank.lee 

Ps. Read TBOTG ..

Re: Anyone tried this and succeeded? 24 Sep 2024 15:55 #422224

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I’d like to share an update on where things stand with my new mehalach. 
BH I haven’t watched porn in 57 days!! I don’t think I’ve ever gone that long with the amount of access that I have. 
i thank everyone for their insights and opinions, really really. A bunch of people thought this mehalach wasn’t a good idea in the long run. And yes, it’s only been a few months. But for the first time in my life, I can honestly say “I don’t watch porn”. For 10 years, I would watch prom, think that I’d hit rock bottom, and then go through the same thing again after a day or a week or a month. I never was able to break out of the “identity” of “someone who watches porn”. Internally, I never got out of that. I always knew I would go back to it one day. 
with this new mehalach that I made for myself, I truly feel like I’m not a guy who watches porn anymore. I can’t say anything for sure, but I really see a reality inside of me that I will never go back into the world of watching porn. 
some people were scared that I would take a step back in my self control of watching pictures. I can say that that’s true. I did take a step back with that. But in my moments of weakness, I proved to myself that I can still excessive self control. And I convinced myself 100 percent. I am a changed person. 
man’s while this is not the end of the road, I feel like I have something that works for me . Maybe this isn’t a good idea for everyone, but for me this worked. I was able to grow with my weaknesses. I was able to break out of something that I thought I would never ever be able to do. 
i think we all need to do what works for us individually. Sometimes that may be unconventional. But if we are really seeing true growth and change of perspective, then we should go with it even if people think it won’t work in the long run

Re: Anyone tried this and succeeded? 24 Sep 2024 16:46 #422229

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There is such a thing as doing partial Teshuva but we should never loose sight of the end goal that we want to attain. With nicotine you wrote that you lowered the levels until it reached zero. I am not sure about how to do such a thing here but I assume that your end goal is not to look at porn images either. The way to go about that is probably going to be different than lowering the frequency of looking at them.

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Re: Anyone tried this and succeeded? 24 Sep 2024 18:34 #422245

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imagibbor wrote on 24 Sep 2024 15:55:
I’d like to share an update on where things stand with my new mehalach. 
BH I haven’t watched porn in 57 days!! I don’t think I’ve ever gone that long with the amount of access that I have. 
i thank everyone for their insights and opinions, really really. A bunch of people thought this mehalach wasn’t a good idea in the long run. And yes, it’s only been a few months. But for the first time in my life, I can honestly say “I don’t watch porn”. For 10 years, I would watch prom, think that I’d hit rock bottom, and then go through the same thing again after a day or a week or a month. I never was able to break out of the “identity” of “someone who watches porn”. Internally, I never got out of that. I always knew I would go back to it one day. 
with this new mehalach that I made for myself, I truly feel like I’m not a guy who watches porn anymore. I can’t say anything for sure, but I really see a reality inside of me that I will never go back into the world of watching porn. 
some people were scared that I would take a step back in my self control of watching pictures. I can say that that’s true. I did take a step back with that. But in my moments of weakness, I proved to myself that I can still excessive self control. And I convinced myself 100 percent. I am a changed person. 
man’s while this is not the end of the road, I feel like I have something that works for me . Maybe this isn’t a good idea for everyone, but for me this worked. I was able to grow with my weaknesses. I was able to break out of something that I thought I would never ever be able to do. 
i think we all need to do what works for us individually. Sometimes that may be unconventional. But if we are really seeing true growth and change of perspective, then we should go with it even if people think it won’t work in the long run

Fascinating. Glad to hear it worked for you!

Can you share more about how this worked? Are you still looking at images or is it 57 days free from images? Are you still masturbating with the same frequency or has that gotten better with being porn free?

Re: Anyone tried this and succeeded? 24 Sep 2024 20:18 #422251

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imagibbor wrote on 24 Sep 2024 15:55:
I’d like to share an update on where things stand with my new mehalach. 
BH I haven’t watched porn in 57 days!! I don’t think I’ve ever gone that long with the amount of access that I have. 
i thank everyone for their insights and opinions, really really. A bunch of people thought this mehalach wasn’t a good idea in the long run. And yes, it’s only been a few months. But for the first time in my life, I can honestly say “I don’t watch porn”. For 10 years, I would watch prom, think that I’d hit rock bottom, and then go through the same thing again after a day or a week or a month. I never was able to break out of the “identity” of “someone who watches porn”. Internally, I never got out of that. I always knew I would go back to it one day. 
with this new mehalach that I made for myself, I truly feel like I’m not a guy who watches porn anymore. I can’t say anything for sure, but I really see a reality inside of me that I will never go back into the world of watching porn. 
some people were scared that I would take a step back in my self control of watching pictures. I can say that that’s true. I did take a step back with that. But in my moments of weakness, I proved to myself that I can still excessive self control. And I convinced myself 100 percent. I am a changed person. 
man’s while this is not the end of the road, I feel like I have something that works for me . Maybe this isn’t a good idea for everyone, but for me this worked. I was able to grow with my weaknesses. I was able to break out of something that I thought I would never ever be able to do. 
i think we all need to do what works for us individually. Sometimes that may be unconventional. But if we are really seeing true growth and change of perspective, then we should go with it even if people think it won’t work in the long run

FIFTY SEVEN DAYS. 
Amazing. What an achievement. I'm sure it wasn't easy to go through all those days with all those urges and not fall. 

Have you reached out to some of the Malachim here who can help you? 
HHM, Eerie, Chaim Oigen are just some of the truly greats of this world. 

Re: Anyone tried this and succeeded? 25 Sep 2024 18:03 #422324

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It’s 57 (now 58) days free from watching. I’m still viewing images. Masturbating has slowed down, but I still have a ways to go. Again, the difference for me in this mehalach is that I finally was able to break out of the identity that I had for myself. I was never truly able to tell myself that I am not a guy who watches porn. Now, with this small but significant step, I can truly say that I’m not a guy who watches porn. For right now, I still identify as a guy who looks at porn images, and that identification of myself allows me to go there whenever the urge is strong, but since I don’t identify as someone who watches porn, no matter how strong the desire is for me to view sexual content, I will never allow myself back into that world of watching porn 

Re: Anyone tried this and succeeded? 25 Sep 2024 18:29 #422328

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imagibbor wrote on 25 Sep 2024 18:03:
It’s 57 (now 58) days free from watching. I’m still viewing images. Masturbating has slowed down, but I still have a ways to go. Again, the difference for me in this mehalach is that I finally was able to break out of the identity that I had for myself. I was never truly able to tell myself that I am not a guy who watches porn. Now, with this small but significant step, I can truly say that I’m not a guy who watches porn. For right now, I still identify as a guy who looks at porn images, and that identification of myself allows me to go there whenever the urge is strong, but since I don’t identify as someone who watches porn, no matter how strong the desire is for me to view sexual content, I will never allow myself back into that world of watching porn 

Hi imagibbor!

I don't remember if I've ever formally introduced myself, but I have been reading your thread with interest. Because, although no two people are the same, it does seem that I tried something pretty similar to what you are doing now. Please allow me to share some of what I experienced, in the hope that perhaps you or others may find within it a grain of insight. 

When I joined GYE, watching porn/cam sites was definitely the number one thing I was desperate to stop. And I had sufficiently hit rock bottom emotionally, as well as having seen a clearly dangerous progression. So, I went ahead and stopped porn cold turkey. Easy Peasy Method helped a lot, and I really did not feel much of a struggle. 

But I still occasionally indulged in inappropriate imagery, albeit non-pornographic. 

What happened was, (and again, this is just me, lav davka it will happen to you, I sure hope it doesn't!) that while I was clean from porn for almost a year, I slowly slid back. 

First, it was images, (less than a k'zayis)
Than, some more images (less than k'day achilas prass)
Than it started with pornogrphic audio (still nothing visual)
And then, a big crack...my first tiny porn clip. But it mammash wasn’t anything, I managed to quickly close it and tell myself, "blech, this is horrible, don't need it or want it. I am not a porn watcher".

Fast forward a few more months to the present. I am no longer a non porn-watcher. It's kind of geshmak, too. I think for me personally, I've learned that the only way forward is to really get serious about guarding my eyes...as much as I hate to say it. 

Am I ready for it? A painful question that depends on how miserable I am feeling. Hopefully, with the tools and friendship's I have gained here, I can get there too. 

This is, once again, just a personal share, something I have been thinking about recently and wanted to share it with you. 

If you manage to use this mehalich to grow with a steady upwards trajectory, that's amazing! And even if, chalilah you don't...there will still be a lot of gains, because you are proving to yourself that you have what it takes to do the right thing. 

With hope for you and for all of us, may we merit to achieve our goals and dreams, bs''d!

-YKW
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Re: Anyone tried this and succeeded? 25 Sep 2024 18:32 #422331

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youknowwho wrote on 25 Sep 2024 18:29:

imagibbor wrote on 25 Sep 2024 18:03:
It’s 57 (now 58) days free from watching. I’m still viewing images. Masturbating has slowed down, but I still have a ways to go. Again, the difference for me in this mehalach is that I finally was able to break out of the identity that I had for myself. I was never truly able to tell myself that I am not a guy who watches porn. Now, with this small but significant step, I can truly say that I’m not a guy who watches porn. For right now, I still identify as a guy who looks at porn images, and that identification of myself allows me to go there whenever the urge is strong, but since I don’t identify as someone who watches porn, no matter how strong the desire is for me to view sexual content, I will never allow myself back into that world of watching porn 

Hi imagibbor!

I don't remember if I've ever formally introduced myself, but I have been reading your thread with some interest. Because, although no two people are the same, it does seem that I tried something pretty similar to what you are doing now. Please allow me to share some of what I experienced, in the hope that perhaps you or others may find within it a grain of insight. 

When I joined GYE, watching porn/cam sites was definitely the number one thing I was desperate to stop. And I had sufficiently hit rock bottom emotionally, as well as having seen a clearly dangerous progression. So, I went ahead and stopped porn cold turkey. Easy Peasy Method helped a lot, and I really did not feel much of a struggle. 

But I still occasionally indulged in inappropriate imagery, albiet non-porngrphic. 

What happened was, (and again, this is just me, lav davka it will happen to you, I sure hope it doesn't!) that while I was clean from porn for almost a year, it slowly slid back. 

First, it was images, (less than a k'zayis)
Than, some more images (less than k'day achilas prass)
Than it started with pornogrphic audio (still nothing visual)
And than, a big crack...my first tiny porn clip. But it wasn't mammash anything, I managed to quickly close it and tell myself, "blech, this is horrible, don't need it or want it. I am not a porn watcher".

Fast forward a few more months to the present. I am no longer a non porn-watcher. It's kind of geshmak, too. I think for me personally, I've learned that the only way forward is to really get serious about guarding my eyes...as much as I hate to say it. 

Am I ready for it? A painful, seering question that depends on how miserable I am feeling. Hopefully, with the tools and friendship's I have gained from here, I can get there too. 

This is, once again, just a personal share, something I have been thinking about recently and wanted to share it with you. 

If you manage to use this mehalich to grow with a steady upwards trajectory, that's amazing! And even if, chalilah you don't...there will still be a lot of gains, because you are proving to yourself that you have what it takes to do the right thing. 

With hope for you and for all of us, may we merit to achieve our goals and dreams, bs''d!

-YKW

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Re: Anyone tried this and succeeded? 25 Sep 2024 18:37 #422334

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imagibbor wrote on 25 Sep 2024 18:03:
It’s 57 (now 58) days free from watching. I’m still viewing images. Masturbating has slowed down, but I still have a ways to go. Again, the difference for me in this mehalach is that I finally was able to break out of the identity that I had for myself. I was never truly able to tell myself that I am not a guy who watches porn. Now, with this small but significant step, I can truly say that I’m not a guy who watches porn. For right now, I still identify as a guy who looks at porn images, and that identification of myself allows me to go there whenever the urge is strong, but since I don’t identify as someone who watches porn, no matter how strong the desire is for me to view sexual content, I will never allow myself back into that world of watching porn 

Shalom Brother Gibbor,
I don't want to comment on the specifics of your mehalach. It's your cheshbon. Everyone has things they do/don't even though they should/shouldn't. The fact that you are able to mitigate your exposure to exclude videos is a big step in the right direction. As you said, there is an exercise of self-control there. Your statement "for right now" implies that you plan to continue working on not looking at images either.

You repeatedly mention your identity as something very important to you. While they are part of us, our sins don't define us. Even though you are looking at pornographic images - why do you choose to state that as part of your identity? 

Continued hatzlacha
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