Making barriers and safeguards such as filtering and accountability has been a huge help for me.

However there are a few paths i cant stop or or know how to create a barrier,

Please suggest any ideas!

1 Unfiltered devices in my home which are commonly left open and unlocked (pass code wouldn't help) laptop smartphone etc
2 Internet on TV/PS4 


All the other devices are protected with filtering and accountability.

Please suggest how i can protect myself from these!

Clarity26 wrote on 31 Oct 2021 16:23:

I find this to be a really tough question. The reason being is that we don't always have control over devices in our house that aren't ours. We might be inclined to put up a filtering on our device, but we can't force others to follow suit. We can encourage them to do so, but not by force.

By me at home, there is a laptop and Ipad which don't have filtration. They are from one of my parents who doesn't understand the need for filtering devices. My parent hardly uses those devices and it has posed some great challenges for me.

One of the ways I've tried to stay away from these devices, is not to have access to the charging cable of these devices. Once the device is out of battery, I don't really have access to it. I also try to keep the devices out of reach. Out of sight, out of mind.

Regarding smartphones that are not mine: I try not to use them at all. To me they are basically treif. (I will admit that there are rare occurrences that I do use them, but I try not to do so outside of the presence of it's owner.)

It really is a question of having a mental barrier, doing as much as you can to create that barrier. Even if the full barrier doesn't exist, but perhaps there is something more you can do to create distance between you and that device.

I'll admit that this is something personal and what has worked for me might not work for you. But if this resonates with you, why not give it a try?

I'm not entirely clear what the situation is with the TV/PS4 (i.e. is it yours and do you use it or is it from someone else in the household and is just something that can be a stumbling block for you?)

Can you put a filter/restrictions on the internet/router and just on the individual devices? 

Shmuel wrote on 31 Oct 2021 18:02:

Excellent idea!

I can't put a filter because of other family members won't allow...

But does anyone know of a simple way to add accountability to a wifi network?

Clarity26 wrote on 31 Oct 2021 23:52:

There’s a simple issue of yichud without a filter. It’s a no no. I would tell the family members that “I can’t enter that room until the filter is placed”.

Btw - Is a filter the real solution? Not necessarily, however it (i.e. webchaver) has definitely saved me until today, so it’s a good idea to consider. 

Webchaver is one option.

Another choice is to write up a contract that states "I will not use any unfiltered device even for kosher purposes. I view such devices as muktzeh. If i use such a device - even if i do not fall, i will rip up $20". "If an occasion arises that i must use such a device, i will notify a chaver that i am using it and then notify him when i am off and clean".

Webchaver works on the whole wifi??

I find that 2nd method works until it doesnt

Clarity26 wrote on 01 Nov 2021 15:09:

Meaning?