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Re: Diary and thoughts 11 Jun 2020 22:49 #351082

Continuing in the HB 
TaPhSiC Method
So we came out that there are certain spiritual and non-spiritual repercussions that we know and believe will happen if we fall, but we still do it either way.
So what would stop us?
We know there are things which we would never violate. Spiritually speaking:
:pinch: Warning: Spoiler!
So we see there are spiritual repercussions we care about(albeit the extreme ones) and we do have yiras shmayim when we believe strong enough.
Theres also non spiritual repercussions that can stop us for example
:pinch: Warning: Spoiler!



So to sum up: Although the “normal” repercussions, both short term and long term, are not enough to stop me, there still do exist both spiritual and non-spiritual repercussions that WOULD stop me, if they were big enough and immediate enough.

the key to taphsic is to find the balance. 
The idea is you make a shavoua that if you fall there is a certain immediate and uncomfortable repercussion that you MUST do. What that is repercussion is can vary from person to person, it can be giving money to tzdaka, telling a rebbe, withholding a certain pleasure you normally have(sugar in coffee etc), or anything that will be a deterrent from falling. At first make it for a short time, then if it works, you can extend. And if it doesnt deter you from falling then you have to readjust. 
Disclaimer: Im no rav so IDK the hilchas of shavoua. Seems like a very serious inyan and you should ask some type of rabbinical authority before you make any. (It is kinda the whole point why your making the shavous that since its so serious to violate, basically all frum people will uphold it and follow thru with the repercussion)
"You will never be entirely comfortable. This is the truth behind the champion – he is always fighting something. To do otherwise is to settle."
Battle on, and I always take advice.
Last Edit: 11 Jun 2020 22:50 by battle-of-the-gen.

Re: Diary and thoughts 12 Jun 2020 03:59 #351088

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Re: Diary and thoughts 12 Jun 2020 05:16 #351092

BH another clean day. Finals are over and I went thru them without masturbating once. Pretty impressed. Def helped that my mind was preoccupied but until now I would fall a lot during finals.
However, now in search of  some down time to cool down from finals, Im feeling a little more of an urge, but for now its under control. 
"You will never be entirely comfortable. This is the truth behind the champion – he is always fighting something. To do otherwise is to settle."
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Re: Diary and thoughts 12 Jun 2020 13:52 #351107

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That is an amazing accomplishment. I'm also in finals now and it isn't easy. Getting through them without masturbating is reason for some serious celebration!
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Re: Diary and thoughts 12 Jun 2020 22:16 #351126

BH clean day.
Everyone have a great shabbos and be geshmak! Hashem loves you!
"You will never be entirely comfortable. This is the truth behind the champion – he is always fighting something. To do otherwise is to settle."
Battle on, and I always take advice.

Re: Diary and thoughts 14 Jun 2020 05:56 #351138

BH clean shabbos. Bzh I will soon be joining my yeshiva upstate on a rented grounds so I wont have access to unfiltered devices. Really looking forward and hopefully itll help accelerate this "detox" from porn and mast.
Continuing in the Taphsic tool
A more powerful version of the taphsic method is the "double fence". This basically means that you make a shavua that you must do something BEFORE and AFTER you fall. The idea piggybacks on the general inyan that if you fall theres a knas(and since you made a shavua its so chamir that you must pay up), but now theres another effective fence in play.
When we get the urge to JO it comes in this all encompassing manner that we must do it, nothing else in the world matters and nothing can stop us. Our mind LAZER focuses on masturbating. The double fence shavua is that we must do something BEFORE we JO(preferably a activity that gets your mind off masturbating, ex calling a GYE chaver, going on a run, speaking with your wife etc). If we do the activity before then the knas afterwards is less, but if we dont do the activity before then the knas is afterwards would be substantially greater.
This incentives us to do the activity before and which hopefully dies down our urge and we wont masturbate at all. It attacks the yetzers notation that you need to masturbate NOW. No you don't. Wait. Chill. The world isnt ending and it isnt going to if you don't masturbate. Just get over the initial hump and frenzy. Do the activity and with Hashems help you'll regain clarity of whats what.
The HB says that this is a very successful method for someone to break the habit of masturbating and many frum ppl have used it and overcame it. 
An example of a "double fence" is:
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The HB goes thru ideas and the exact nusach of how to make the shvua(ayin shom, check there).
If anyone does want to make a shvua speak to someone thats experienced with them, bec shavuas are intense and very chamir so do it with extreme caution.
"You will never be entirely comfortable. This is the truth behind the champion – he is always fighting something. To do otherwise is to settle."
Battle on, and I always take advice.
Last Edit: 14 Jun 2020 15:52 by battle-of-the-gen.

Re: Diary and thoughts 15 Jun 2020 04:57 #351214

BH clean day, it was a day where I usually would fall(home alone) but BH clean.
Chizuk, ppl its possible!  
"You will never be entirely comfortable. This is the truth behind the champion – he is always fighting something. To do otherwise is to settle."
Battle on, and I always take advice.

Re: Diary and thoughts 15 Jun 2020 05:22 #351215

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Your thread gives everyone chizuk!

Giving others chizuk can be very powerful in being mechazek ourselves. Keep on being mechazek us!
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Re: Diary and thoughts 17 Jun 2020 05:12 #351370

Hey sorry for being a little offline recently. BH my yeshiva kinda opened up on rented grounds so I have less time and access to the internet. BH so far its been amazing and Ive been clean. 
If anyone wants to reach me Ill check the forum here and there but I can arrange some better method of communication, so just let me know your interested and we'll figure it out.
Ill try to keep up with my tidbits from the handbook, but Idk if I can do daily, so well see.
Tool #11 Accountability (my personal favorite so far)
Time to take it up a notch. This is where it gets real. You wanna stop but by yourself its too hard. SO hard. Theres this part you that more than anything wants to stop. And theres this other part of you that more than anything wants to do it. THATS OK. This battle is (usually) too hard for one person carry on his own.
Thats where accountability comes in. Open up. Speak with rebbe, GYE mentor, or GYE fellow-struggler(me). Go thru ALL your struggles(bec whats the point of holding back) . Every nook and cranny. Be SO honest with your partner that youll be shocked the words are coming out of your mouth, bec in essence it's being honest with yourself. 
Youd be surprised how exhilarating it feels. To finally open up and lift that weight off your shoulder. A message, a forum, a phone call(Yes I just went there). Just speaking about, putting it out in the open, makes the struggle easier.
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"You will never be entirely comfortable. This is the truth behind the champion – he is always fighting something. To do otherwise is to settle."
Battle on, and I always take advice.

Re: Diary and thoughts 17 Jun 2020 05:14 #351371

wilnevergiveup wrote on 15 Jun 2020 05:22:
Your thread gives everyone chizuk!

Giving others chizuk can be very powerful in being mechazek ourselves. Keep on being mechazek us!

Thanks for the feedback! Really appreciate hearing I can help other people while helping myself! 
"You will never be entirely comfortable. This is the truth behind the champion – he is always fighting something. To do otherwise is to settle."
Battle on, and I always take advice.

Re: Diary and thoughts 17 Jun 2020 12:54 #351393

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Dont worry if you miss posting here for the summer, we all have lives to attend to as well and we all understand.



We'll miss you though!!
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Re: Diary and thoughts 18 Jun 2020 04:16 #351452

BH another clean day. Starting to consider starting to date soon, gonna speak to some rebbiem and see what happens... definitely excited  
Bzh ill post a HB piece tomorrow
"You will never be entirely comfortable. This is the truth behind the champion – he is always fighting something. To do otherwise is to settle."
Battle on, and I always take advice.
Last Edit: 18 Jun 2020 04:18 by battle-of-the-gen.

Re: Diary and thoughts 18 Jun 2020 18:18 #351473

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That's so amazing, we're all so excited for you. Just make sure it's with someone you trust and you tell them everything. Keep it up your on an amazing path. 
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Re: Diary and thoughts 19 Jun 2020 05:22 #351512

yosef10 wrote on 18 Jun 2020 18:18:
That's so amazing, we're all so excited for you. Just make sure it's with someone you trust and you tell them everything. Keep it up your on an amazing path. 

So I havent decided if im gonna bring up this inyan or not.. still unsure but Im leaning towards not mentioning it. 
Idk maybe if he mentions something Ill mention it... just dont know
"You will never be entirely comfortable. This is the truth behind the champion – he is always fighting something. To do otherwise is to settle."
Battle on, and I always take advice.

Re: Diary and thoughts 19 Jun 2020 05:57 #351515

Wow BH what a week. Some normalcy here, in terms of back to regular yeshiva with in person chavrusas(and its in bet semesters so I can really sit and plug). BH another clean week. Bchasdei Hashem TYH.
Continuing in Tool #11 Accountability
We can and should try to reach out to someone we respect, someone who we value their opinion. We have to be open and honest about our struggles and keep them updated with "real time" updates. The major key is to be honest. Bec if were not, then theres no shame, and that kills the whole tool. You wanna feel that shame so itll be an incentive not to fall next time.
Another person thats also working on himself can also be a huge partner. Even though he may fall here and there he can give you a clarity that you may not have in the moment and to a certain degree can be extremely motivating cause its coming from someone who is battling almost exactly what you are.
You can start in the beginning being in touch more frequently and as time goes on(and your getting clean) you can tone it down a bit.
Letting your wife in can be a huge accountability partner but needs to be done with much much seichel and hadracha. Let an experienced GYEer/therapist/rebbe guide you thru it. 
Obv the more personal the person you open up to is, the stronger the sense of commitment is, and therefore more effective. So a Rebbe or someone close to you is a great option. But if your not up to it yet(like me) you can find amazing partners/mentors on this site. Thru forums or the "partner program" you can email, google hangout, call, or just chat on GYE regularly.
​Just to finish with a powerful quote on the power of accountability

I have had enough of the silent suffering, the hiding, the lying and the living a double life. Today, I talk to people in my program every day, besides going to meetings twice a week. The whole truth about me needs to be on the outside, with safe people.


I have mentioned that Im a big fan of this tool and think thats its something which has been really beneficial to me. Hatzlacha! 

(PS I am willing to make myself available to anyone that wants to shmuss, just lemme know, you can send a private message)
"You will never be entirely comfortable. This is the truth behind the champion – he is always fighting something. To do otherwise is to settle."
Battle on, and I always take advice.
Last Edit: 19 Jun 2020 06:17 by battle-of-the-gen.
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