bardichev wrote on 03 Nov 2011 15:44:


Lorem Ipsum comes from sections 1.10.32 and 1.10.33 of "de Finibus Bonorum et Malorum" (The Extremes of Good and Evil) by Cicero, written in 45 BC. This book is a treatise on the theory of ethics, very popular during the Renaissance. The first line of Lorem Ipsum, "Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet..", comes from a line in section 1.10.32. _{(Source: lipsum.com)}

so is anteater cholint wrap extreme good or extreme evil?

ZemirosShabbos wrote on 03 Nov 2011 16:05:

Take a bite and let us know .

The actual passage that Lorem Ipsum comes from is interesting in it's own right. Here is the translation (from the same website).

"But I must explain to you how all this mistaken idea of denouncing pleasure and praising pain was born and I will give you a complete account of the system, and expound the actual teachings of the great explorer of the truth, the master-builder of human happiness. No one rejects, dislikes, or avoids pleasure itself, because it is pleasure, but because those who do not know how to pursue pleasure rationally encounter consequences that are extremely painful. Nor again is there anyone who loves or pursues or desires to obtain pain of itself, because it is pain, but because occasionally circumstances occur in which toil and pain can procure him some great pleasure. To take a trivial example, which of us ever undertakes laborious physical exercise, except to obtain some advantage from it? But who has any right to find fault with a man who chooses to enjoy a pleasure that has no annoying consequences, or one who avoids a pain that produces no resultant pleasure?"

"On the other hand, we denounce with righteous indignation and dislike men who are so beguiled and demoralized by the charms of pleasure of the moment, so blinded by desire, that they cannot foresee the pain and trouble that are bound to ensue; and equal blame belongs to those who fail in their duty through weakness of will, which is the same as saying through shrinking from toil and pain. These cases are perfectly simple and easy to distinguish. In a free hour, when our power of choice is untrammelled and when nothing prevents our being able to do what we like best, every pleasure is to be welcomed and every pain avoided. But in certain circumstances and owing to the claims of duty or the obligations of business it will frequently occur that pleasures have to be repudiated and annoyances accepted. The wise man therefore always holds in these matters to this principle of selection: he rejects pleasures to secure other greater pleasures, or else he endures pains to avoid worse pains."

ZemirosShabbos wrote on 03 Nov 2011 16:05:


I guess it would depend if you are a chossid or a misnagid, since that would determine whether you eat them hot or cold.  You know, as I'm sure what Reb Nosson said:  "The difference between a Chassid and a Misnaged is the difference between a hot knish and a cold knish."

This also may be an old maaseh, and someone here can probably tell it better, but this is how I remember it.

A misnaged asked a chossid why he drinks shnapps after davening.  The chossid replied,  you learn mishnayos after davening because your davening is dead. (mishnayos are learned for a niftar)  We drink a lechayim because our tefillos are alive!

Here I was, wanting to boast my gaonus on the wrap issue, and anteaters and lorem ipsum stole my thunder! >
I just gave a class last night on second perek of Hilchos Hanehenin from Shulchon Oruch HaRav, which deals exactly with lechem sh'eino gomur and kvius seudo, and shiur sviyo etc
But now I'm too wrapped up (get it?) in the Atrocities and Whinings of Cicero to even remember what the original question was....

Mottel, please share

and btw, my 3 yr old son has his own opinion. he says "shehakol minei mezonos" (i kid you not).

don't you dare correct a 3 yr old!

ZemirosShabbos wrote on 03 Nov 2011 17:01:

He's already paskening, how cute, he's saying that everything is a type of mezonos and therefore mezonos, like shahakol, covers everything! Brilliant! Call Art Scroll and have them start following him.  Make sure to take note at what very young age exactly he finishes shas!

anteater cholint??

bardichev wrote on 31 Oct 2011 18:00:

ZemirosShabbos wrote on 03 Nov 2011 17:22:


Seems like the answer to all questions.

Just like "shehakol minei mezonos" is the answer to all brachos .