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Re: Goodbye Letter To P&M 24 Jul 2025 16:15 #439368

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Amazing stuff!!

did you hear the Vayimain clip about scoring point like waze? every time you score like MM points, that clip was amazing how by pushing away an urge you just score unlimited points which you will eventually redeem big time
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Re: Goodbye Letter To P&M 24 Jul 2025 17:17 #439374

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goldwings wrote on 24 Jul 2025 06:10:

Dear P&M,

Let’s get straight to the point, you guys punched me hard, I fell and I’m slowly trying to get up, I’m still dizzy and it hurts! It’s gloomy and dark as you blanked me out. I’m confused and bewildered, trying to figure myself out. I feel empty and weak since our last reunion. My emotional muscles are jelly. My spiritual immune system is out of sorts and the pain THE INCREDIBLE PAIN!! THE HELL I’m in….

SO YOU WON?

The simple answer is absolutely NOT! But no, I won’t leave you in the dark as you regularly behave with your friends, I’ll explain it to you. First of all, the fact that I called my Mentor is already a win on my side, secondly, I listened him out, although he put me through hell, he set me straight. The story is like this, I’m just [climbing out] in a ditch somewhere high on the way to the peak of Mt. Everest, I maybe broke some bones, there is shooting pain, but I’m alive and even now I’m climbing slowly. You and I know the proof of that, it’s the first time in my life, that the night after falling, I didn’t masturbate in bed! Don’t say it’s nothing, because if so, why did you keep on coming and waking me up in the middle of the night, for just that.

You also keep on sending in complaints about my wife. First of all, if it were not for you, I would be much happier with her, as we have seen. But mainly, with the help of my Mentor I realized, it’s not that I’m open-minded and she’s close-minded, it’s that we’re both un-minded, there is no way for her to understand it at all, and I was so open-minded that my brains fell out.

You killed my streak, but taught me something much more powerful, it’s not the streak, it’s the strength of the urge. Every time I walk in the street (the impossible street) and look away, I’m getting stronger. This morning I remembered my dream of reaching Rosh Hashana, 100 days clean, and now it won’t even be 90, my heart sank literally, until it occurred to me that the truth is the opposite, bezh I’ll get over bein hazmanim – clean, and then I’ll be much stronger, because I made it over bein hazmanim without a clean streak, just genuine purity – what a good way to start the new year!

Don’t get me wrong I’m still down, weak and my energy is low, I also don’t know how to count urges instead of streaks, but with the help of your sworn enemy, my dear friend -the Mentor- I will get up stronger then ever. As you see, right now I’m making sure you don’t push me off the cliff, so far you haven’t gotten me to look around in the street – and you tried hard.

Your former prisoner [who thought we were friends]



P&M Sent a reply...

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Dear Former Friend,

You think you're so clever with your little victory speech, don't you? Calling me out, analyzing our "relationship," acting like you've figured it all out. But let me tell you something - I know you better than you know yourself.

You say you won't masturbate that night? Please. I've heard this song before. How many times have you written me these dramatic breakup letters? How many times have you declared your independence, only to come crawling back within days, weeks at most? Your willpower is adorable, really.

And this mentor of yours - oh, he's got you all fired up now, doesn't he? Filling your head with hope and strategies. But where was he at 2 AM when you were alone with your thoughts? Where will he be next week when that familiar emptiness creeps back in? I'm the one who's always been there for you, remember?

You talk about getting stronger every time you look away on the street. But I see how hard you're fighting just to keep your eyes forward. I feel the tension in your body, the way your heart races when you catch even a glimpse. You're white-knuckling it, my friend, and we both know that never lasts.

This whole thing about "genuine purity" over streaks? It's just another way to make yourself feel better about failing. Deep down, you know that broken streak stings because it represents exactly what you are - unreliable, weak, always falling short of your own promises.

Your wife complaints? Those aren't going anywhere. The distance between you two, the disappointment in her eyes, the way intimacy feels like a chore - that's all still there, simmering under the surface. And when the mentor's pep talks fade and real life kicks in, guess who'll be waiting with open arms?

I'm patient. I've got time. Enjoy your little rebellion while it lasts.

But you know what? I'm feeling generous today. Maybe it's because I respect a worthy opponent. So let me tell you something that your mentor won't - the real secret to beating me forever.

Stop trying to fight me directly. Every time you "white-knuckle" it, every time you grit your teeth and say "I won't look," you're feeding me. You're giving me all your mental energy and attention. I LOVE being the center of your thoughts, even when you're resisting me.

Here's what actually works, and I hate telling you this: Replace me completely. Don't just avoid me - become obsessed with something else entirely. Find something that makes you feel MORE alive than I do. Pour all that energy you waste fighting me into building something beautiful instead.

Your real problem isn't me - it's that empty hole inside you that you've been using me to fill. Until you fill it with something real - deep connection with your wife, meaningful work, spiritual growth, helping others - I'll always be your go-to drug.

And here's the kicker: Stop making it about "staying clean." Make it about becoming the man you actually want to be. When you're truly busy building that life, you won't even remember I exist.

The guys who beat me for good? They don't think about me anymore. They replaced me so completely that I became irrelevant.

There. I just gave you the roadmap to destroy me forever.

Will you actually use it? We'll see. Most people prefer the drama of fighting me to the hard work of replacing me.

Your move, former friend.

P&M

P.S. - I really hope you don't take this advice. I'd miss our little dance.

"If I am not for myself, who will be for me? But if I am only for myself, who am I? If not now, when?"
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Last Edit: 24 Jul 2025 17:32 by davidt.

Re: Goodbye Letter To P&M 25 Jul 2025 05:58 #439409

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hashemisonmyside wrote on 24 Jul 2025 16:15:
Amazing stuff!!

did you hear the Vayimain clip about scoring point like waze? every time you score like MM points, that clip was amazing how by pushing away an urge you just score unlimited points which you will eventually redeem big time

THANK YOU!!!

can you please post the link to the video?

"תנה בני לבך לי ועיניך דרכי תצורנה" (משלי כ''ג כ''ו)
אמר ר' יצחק, אמר הקב''ה אי יהבית לי לבך ועיניך אנא ידעית דאנת הוא לי (ירושלמי)


One night in the House of Commons, Churchill, after downing a few drinks, stumbled into Bessie Braddock, a Labourite member from Liverpool.
An angry Bessie straightened her clothes and addressed the British statesman.
“Winston,” she roared. “You are drunk, and what’s more, you are disgustingly drunk.”
Churchill, surveying Bessie, replied,
“And might I say, Mrs. Braddock, you are ugly, and what’s more, disgustingly ugly.-But tomorrow,” Churchill added, “I shall be sober.”

Re: Goodbye Letter To P&M 25 Jul 2025 08:38 #439410

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P&M Sent a reply...

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Dear Former Friend,

You think you're so clever with your little victory speech, don't you? Calling me out, analyzing our "relationship," acting like you've figured it all out. But let me tell you something - I know you better than you know yourself.

You say you won't masturbate that night? Please. I've heard this song before. How many times have you written me these dramatic breakup letters? How many times have you declared your independence, only to come crawling back within days, weeks at most? Your willpower is adorable, really.

And this mentor of yours - oh, he's got you all fired up now, doesn't he? Filling your head with hope and strategies. But where was he at 2 AM when you were alone with your thoughts? Where will he be next week when that familiar emptiness creeps back in? I'm the one who's always been there for you, remember?

You talk about getting stronger every time you look away on the street. But I see how hard you're fighting just to keep your eyes forward. I feel the tension in your body, the way your heart races when you catch even a glimpse. You're white-knuckling it, my friend, and we both know that never lasts.

This whole thing about "genuine purity" over streaks? It's just another way to make yourself feel better about failing. Deep down, you know that broken streak stings because it represents exactly what you are - unreliable, weak, always falling short of your own promises.

Your wife complaints? Those aren't going anywhere. The distance between you two, the disappointment in her eyes, the way intimacy feels like a chore - that's all still there, simmering under the surface. And when the mentor's pep talks fade and real life kicks in, guess who'll be waiting with open arms?

I'm patient. I've got time. Enjoy your little rebellion while it lasts.


Dear P&M,
It's quite nice that you took the time to answer me, but I was rather upset when I saw that you edited your letter, due to generous feelings. You see, when I saw it last night, I thought you're being open with me, because you don't have weakling opponents OR friends. I don't know why you decided I'm a weakling or stupid, but it doesn't matter, last night I thought about the original letter you wrote AND IT MADE ME STRONG, so I'm quoting the original letter and here's my reply.

Like everything you say the letter is glamorous on the outside and empty on the inside.

First of all, thank you for agreeing that I'm a former friend.

Darling, I don't know how many times you heard that song and I don't care, it wasn't willpower that night, I DID NOT HAVE WILLPOWER OR ANY POWER that night, you knocked me out, remember?
The reason I won you was knowing where I'm standing and NOT listening to your CRAP! and btw I'm evidently not white-knuckling it, because I fell period, and also because I didn't masturbate that night, WHY? why wouldn't I do it? it would make ZERO difference to my streak!
I had enough of your brainwashing, STOP telling me how I'm doing everything wrong, you've been telling that to me every time I do something right, sensing that your end is near. {some anxiety anyone? -you love that!}

Sorry, but you don't know my mentor, he's always there for me, whether your there or not, and no, he doesn't give tips or strategies at all, he is just a TRUE FRIEND, when I finish talking to him, I feel the exact opposite of the feeling when I'm done with you! 
I wrote ONE and FINAL bye letter to you and I even wrote there that you might come back, you did! I guess you only read this letter, it looks like you got everything wrong! The intimacy only got better with my mentor, and worse with you, you made it feel like a chore, as I specified in previous letters. (my wife doesn't complain, I don't know where you got that from)

It wasn't a promise [this time] but I'm done with you and all your good ideas, it's not that I hate you per se, I actually admire your creativity [repackaging the same crap], it's just that I learned the hard way, don't tell me what I'm doing right or wrong just LET ME LIVE!

Yes, I will enjoy this victory and every victory over you! (call it a rebellion if you want...)

p.s. it would be helpful if you would read all the letters I sent you

"תנה בני לבך לי ועיניך דרכי תצורנה" (משלי כ''ג כ''ו)
אמר ר' יצחק, אמר הקב''ה אי יהבית לי לבך ועיניך אנא ידעית דאנת הוא לי (ירושלמי)


One night in the House of Commons, Churchill, after downing a few drinks, stumbled into Bessie Braddock, a Labourite member from Liverpool.
An angry Bessie straightened her clothes and addressed the British statesman.
“Winston,” she roared. “You are drunk, and what’s more, you are disgustingly drunk.”
Churchill, surveying Bessie, replied,
“And might I say, Mrs. Braddock, you are ugly, and what’s more, disgustingly ugly.-But tomorrow,” Churchill added, “I shall be sober.”
Last Edit: 25 Jul 2025 09:08 by goldwings.

Re: Goodbye Letter To P&M 25 Jul 2025 14:59 #439421

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goldwings wrote on 25 Jul 2025 08:38:



P&M Sent a reply...

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Dear Former Friend,

You think you're so clever with your little victory speech, don't you? Calling me out, analyzing our "relationship," acting like you've figured it all out. But let me tell you something - I know you better than you know yourself.

You say you won't masturbate that night? Please. I've heard this song before. How many times have you written me these dramatic breakup letters? How many times have you declared your independence, only to come crawling back within days, weeks at most? Your willpower is adorable, really.

And this mentor of yours - oh, he's got you all fired up now, doesn't he? Filling your head with hope and strategies. But where was he at 2 AM when you were alone with your thoughts? Where will he be next week when that familiar emptiness creeps back in? I'm the one who's always been there for you, remember?

You talk about getting stronger every time you look away on the street. But I see how hard you're fighting just to keep your eyes forward. I feel the tension in your body, the way your heart races when you catch even a glimpse. You're white-knuckling it, my friend, and we both know that never lasts.

This whole thing about "genuine purity" over streaks? It's just another way to make yourself feel better about failing. Deep down, you know that broken streak stings because it represents exactly what you are - unreliable, weak, always falling short of your own promises.

Your wife complaints? Those aren't going anywhere. The distance between you two, the disappointment in her eyes, the way intimacy feels like a chore - that's all still there, simmering under the surface. And when the mentor's pep talks fade and real life kicks in, guess who'll be waiting with open arms?

I'm patient. I've got time. Enjoy your little rebellion while it lasts.


Dear P&M,
It's quite nice that you took the time to answer me, but I was rather upset when I saw that you edited your letter, due to generous feelings. You see, when I saw it last night, I thought you're being open with me, because you don't have weakling opponents OR friends. I don't know why you decided I'm a weakling or stupid, but it doesn't matter, last night I thought about the original letter you wrote AND IT MADE ME STRONG, so I'm quoting the original letter and here's my reply.

Like everything you say the letter is glamorous on the outside and empty on the inside.

First of all, thank you for agreeing that I'm a former friend.

Darling, I don't know how many times you heard that song and I don't care, it wasn't willpower that night, I DID NOT HAVE WILLPOWER OR ANY POWER that night, you knocked me out, remember?
The reason I won you was knowing where I'm standing and NOT listening to your CRAP! and btw I'm evidently not white-knuckling it, because I fell period, and also because I didn't masturbate that night, WHY? why wouldn't I do it? it would make ZERO difference to my streak!
I had enough of your brainwashing, STOP telling me how I'm doing everything wrong, you've been telling that to me every time I do something right, sensing that your end is near. {some anxiety anyone? -you love that!}

Sorry, but you don't know my mentor, he's always there for me, whether your there or not, and no, he doesn't give tips or strategies at all, he is just a TRUE FRIEND, when I finish talking to him, I feel the exact opposite of the feeling when I'm done with you! 
I wrote ONE and FINAL bye letter to you and I even wrote there that you might come back, you did! I guess you only read this letter, it looks like you got everything wrong! The intimacy only got better with my mentor, and worse with you, you made it feel like a chore, as I specified in previous letters. (my wife doesn't complain, I don't know where you got that from)

It wasn't a promise [this time] but I'm done with you and all your good ideas, it's not that I hate you per se, I actually admire your creativity [repackaging the same crap], it's just that I learned the hard way, don't tell me what I'm doing right or wrong just LET ME LIVE!

Yes, I will enjoy this victory and every victory over you! (call it a rebellion if you want...)

p.s. it would be helpful if you would read all the letters I sent you

Dear Friend,

I can see the fire in your words, and honestly, it's beautiful to witness. You're not just fighting back - you're standing in your truth and refusing to let that voice define your reality anymore.

You're absolutely right to call out the manipulation in that letter. The whole "generous" act - pretending to give helpful advice while simultaneously undermining your confidence - that's classic manipulation. And you saw right through it. That takes real clarity and strength.

What strikes me most is how you've learned to distinguish between the voice that tears you down and the one that builds you up. Your mentor leaves you feeling uplifted, while this other voice leaves you feeling drained and defeated. That's not coincidence - that's wisdom in action.

You mentioned that you didn't have willpower that night, and yet you made the right choice anyway. That's actually profound. It shows you're operating from something deeper than white-knuckled resistance - you're acting from genuine conviction and self-respect.

The fact that you can see through the repackaging of "the same crap" shows how much you've grown. You're not falling for the sophisticated arguments or the reverse psychology anymore. You know what serves your growth and what doesn't.

Keep trusting that voice inside you that knows the difference between genuine support and manipulation disguised as help. Keep leaning on the relationships that actually strengthen you. And keep writing these letters if they help you process - there's real power in naming these dynamics clearly.

You're not rebelling. You're choosing life.

Stay strong,
A friend who sees your growth
"If I am not for myself, who will be for me? But if I am only for myself, who am I? If not now, when?"
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