I think I understand your brilliant post. But one point, those are not real pleasure. It is just some electrons firing through nerves which give a message of pleasure. Not the real thing, when comparing to s'char ve'onesh, for example.

frank.lee wrote on 08 Aug 2024 22:30:

You're 100% right.
But still.. let's be real... its a real pleasure here in our עולם החומרי.. and when fighting it with imaginary ideas of who Hashem is etc it's a lost case...
Who doesn't enjoy watching porn and masturbating? It's an amazing and thrilling real pleasure!! It's exactly those "nerves that give a message of pleasure" that are desired!! The entire world is after it!
Yes, if you think about it sensibly you'll realise that it's bad, fantasies, momentary, low, depressing and is against everything a Yid stands for but as soon as you're in a very uninspired, "human" moment, then you'll just go for the real pleasure...

But I must admit, I a shtikel regretted writing my last post, because poor m111 was trying to get a chizzuk by making Hashem more real and then I was discouraging the idea... I'm sorry m111, please forgive me. Maybe you can share with the oilem your plan of action, like how you will do it. We all need chizzuk. I myself am having a very tough day... my YH is like mount everest today!

upanddown wrote on 09 Aug 2024 00:15:

Emotions are real, horemone rush of porn is real,
it's real feelings,
but not, real emotions,
emotions are
connection,
inner desires,
deepest wishes.

this translates "real" in the urge for porn, really a need for relaxation and/or and/or release and/or pleasure.
Hashem can give me those, when he is real in my consciousness and emotions.