if you don't mind, please let us know how do you plan to take the plunge?

How's bout you post a biur on the long shach b'inyan chukikoi ilb'soif chibroi?
That should give you something to do...

TehillimZugger wrote:


i don't have to suggest anything for you to do. your name says it all. gy zoog a poor kapitlach in loz mir uup

lavi wrote:


As far as I know, there is only one secret to doing something.

Get ready!!

Get set!!

It's gonna shock you!!



I know, it's not that easy, but it is that simple.

I've had a stomach bug since last week, which had two effects. One was that I'm in the bathroom more and longer, the other is that it really takes energy out of me.

In the bathroom I've made the wrong choice and started watching an awesome series, Band of Brothers. It's really addictive (or rather I'm addicted to it) and last night I stayed up late watching, so I got up late, and even then I still watched more before I left the house.

On the other hand, I have BH taken the plunge (i just took this "life vest" with me).

That's all for now. More to come.

Do you know the secret to stop watching TV and Movies....

gibbor120 wrote:


look fellows, i really don't mean to be difficult, but the question i asked isn't a klutz kasher:huh: (at least i don't think so, but you never know)
i mean if someone is used to movies or anything kinda of time consuming habit, just saying "ok, i had enough", is that gonna do the trick? granted we may feel disgusted with it after a few times, but after, lets say, a week or so, the emotional push may wear off, k'yoduah l'hamavinim. but if you get some good philosophy and other barriers between you and a movie, i think you stand a higher chance.
just my thinking.

This mehalech (one that happens to work, by the way), may be simple, but at the same time it's also actually very deep. It's not superficial at all.

Imagine a smoker for thirty five years. He hears it's gonna kill him, he feels it's gonna kill him, he KNOWS it very well may kill him!
And he keeps smoking, two packs a day.

Why? Obviously, he hasn't really internalized that metzios. If  he spoke with dying lung cancer patients daily for an hour, about all their pain, about that the Dr doesn't think he'll make it to the end of the year to be at his son's bar mitzvah r"l, etc., we understand the chances of him quitting are so much higher.

Why? He knew the same info before visiting the sick people?
Of course, the answer is that there's knowing, and there's knowing!

Yes, many here on the forum DO spend most of the time affirming what they probably 'knew' a long time ago. Guess what? IT WORKS! Is it simple? Yes. But people are doing what works for them! Eventually, it actually seeps in, and has a lasting effect. It's an avoda called  והשבות אל לבבך .

One of the terms the Ramcha"l uses when he tries to 'define' the Rbsh"o is 'פשוט'. Apparently, פשטות is not so פשוט.

thanks pal, but r.yankel didn't mention anything about what you said,
he referred to some kind of plunge, which i'm still trying to understand,

i think he meant the

agreed. most movies ARE difficult to watch in a cold mikva

Pidaini wrote:


The question was: how are you gonna snap out of it and move on?
The (too simplistic?) solution the oilam is repeatedly rehashing is 'just do it'.

But not with the Nike niggun. More like the niggun you hear at a good mussar seder.

Kapeesh?

I think the answer is, "With Hashem's help."

skeptical wrote:


(אמונה פשוטה ain't that פשוט either!)

Sorry guys, been holing up in myself, a few serious decisions to make that are really getting to me.

A little bit about my experience with taking the plunge (I haven't yet read INC response, so if I just repeat what he said please forgive me).

What I have found in my journey with lust is that I first knew that I needed to stop, but didn't really want to and didn't even see why (besides for it being assur). After that came a period where I felt that I wanted to, but I couldn't, finally when I came to GYE I found something.

What I was missing before coming to GYE was the realization that this was a decision that I have to make. The decision isn't easy, deciding whether to be uncomfortably comfortable of comfortably uncomfortable is a very difficult one, but before coming here I didn't realize that there was an option of being comfortable with discomfort!! Before GYE I was waiting for the path that would take me away from this comfortably, without "pain" without discomfort, after GYE I learned that nobody has yet found that way, rather they have found that the way out may be uncomfortable, but it was out.

Getting to know reality, realizing that that is a choice I have was a prerequisite to getting anywhere, but even once I'm there, at the end of the day, it's a decision that I have to make, a plunge that I have to take.

I won't take a plunge into the unknown, into something that I don't really think is possible. It's only when I see that it is possible, just not "ideal" for me, that's the point of decision making and that's when I need to just take the plunge, to face the discomfort.

I hope that was understandable, my mind is more in mush than coherent signals right now, but I am posting as a first step towards clearing the smoke.

Thanks everyone!!

Please KIT!!

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Helicopter has no gas left.
Parachuter peerin' out of the open door.
He made the decision that he needs to 'plunge,' but the end is unknown.
The flight will be rocky.
Can he see the safe ground?
No.
Can he feel it?
No.
Will the strong winds make it uncomfortable for him?
Yes.
Will he rest comfortably upon landin' on bottom?
Perhaps.
Will he feel good?
Maybe.
Will he get snagged on a tree?
There is such a possibility.
Will he be exposed to enemy fire on the flight down?
Good chance.

What should he do?
Any advice?