Continue fighting brother! Iyh once you get married you won't need this site anymore.

The GYE main page featured a Email I sent them, called “The Broken Bochurim.”
You can check it out and let me know what u guys think. 
You can say whether u agree etc

Shkoyach

Chaval that you weren’t part of the technology panel at the aguda convention... I’m out of Yeshiva for some time now , and I’m surprised that the situation has seemingly not changed enough, I assumed most rabbeim Rosh Hayeshivos etc ,understand at this point what we’re dealing with , I guess unfortunately not ...
Maybe we could brainstorm a little ( this site does have the best & brightest after all

i-man wrote on 07 Dec 2020 02:42:

To quote a buchar in first year bais medrash “The problem in the Yeshivish community is getting worse and worse as time goes on”

I don’t think it’s as much as a problem with the Roshei Yeshiva as much as it is with the parents.
A guy told me he was exposed to pornography the moment his parents brought the Internet into his home and his mom got an IPhone.

Now imagine if that mother knew, if she truly chapped that her son is Not Yosef Hatzadik and has taivas even though he davens with Kavana, doesn’t talk to girls and shteigs all day. 

Many many parents simply don’t chap. I don’t understand.
They’ll only eat the best hechshereim, send to Yeshivas, and even give over Emesdik Torah Hashkafos to their children.
But for some reason the Internet thing remains a problem.

No one knows now because it’s a secret and they don’t tell anyone, but I can assure you, unless we make some big changes and truly understand that our own children, and the future of Klall Yisrael being a Mamleches Kohanim v’Goy Kadosh is at stake.

Again, I’m just a guy, I’m not בכלל a בר הכי, I’m just pointing out that thinking this is all “under control” is simply inaccurate.


I would recommend that GYE or Torah U’Mesorah go into all the mesivtas/Yeshivas and conduct an anonymous poll asking:
1.Do you struggle with zera levatala?
2.Do you struggle with watching  innapropriate material online?
3.Do you think your parents know what you are going through/exposed to?
4.Do you feel alone?
5.Do You think HaShem loves you or hates you?

Just basic questions to gage where we are holding.

I find that surprising as well , after all much today’s generation of parents probably grew up with internet and should be more aware of the dangers , or am I 5 years ahead of myself ?

i-man wrote on 07 Dec 2020 03:21:

The ages of many many parents 40 and above are clueless, that’s all I can say.
And even if they know of such taivas, they can’t imagine their child would be nichshal...

YeshivaGuy wrote on 06 Dec 2020 20:02:

Powerful!

Are you also saying that people are staying away from GYE because they think it's catering more towards addicts and that freaks them out? 

Maybe we need to focus more on making this struggle something normal that everyone goes through instead of blowing it up and labeling it an ADDICTION. While I understand the logic behind that as well, I think we need to split up the target audience. The average yeshiva bochur already knows that no matter what he does he will burn in hell for all eternity, that his learning is not the same and that he really needs to stop but just doesn't know how. What he needs to know is that what he is going through is normal and regular and that he is most likely NOT addicted. If he thinks he is normal, then there is a chance that he will get the help he needs to stop. 

Someone who is significantly further down the and this little habit of his is taking over his life, family, work and everything else important to him, he may need a wake up call that his behavior has addictive tendencies.  

But these are two separate audiences with different needs.

wilnevergiveup wrote on 07 Dec 2020 05:23:

That’s my suspicion.
A lot of the advertisements appear that way...

When I first joined I was sure this place is just for crazy porn addicts.
That’s why in my first post on this thread I made a point of saying I’m not addicted.
I didn’t think this place was for me, and I thought my decision to come here was maybe even abit too extreme.

But honestly, with the right chinuch (for children and parents) we won’t need this website so much.
The goal is not and should not be to simply have more people post about their problems here.

GYE must be more than a “website.” It must assume the role as being mechanech the parents and children through in person seminars, workshops etc etc about the dangers...

There needs to be a “chinuch revolution” in Klall Yisrael. 
Again, I’m not a Talmud Chacham and surely no where close to being a Baal Eitza or to know what Klall Yisrael truly needs.
Im just pointing out some ideas and thoughts as a 21 year old guy in Yeshiva who has been around the block, spoken to many guys, and thinks there’s a massive problem.

wilnevergiveup wrote on 07 Dec 2020 05:23:

Maskim 100%!
And there should be special ads targeting buchrim and videos targeting buchrim in Mesivta/Bais Medrash. 


But as I said above, besides the very real toeles in bringing more buchrim to this site. I beleive that’s just a bandaid.
And though a bandaid is needed, we also need to get to the root of the problem.
Buchrim aren’t magically having access to porn, there are people who are bringing these devices into their homes...

I agree, many pearnts are clueless in regards to the dangers of the internet the likes of viewing certain images or viewing porn as well as the strong desires of this generation.

But not to being nichshal Z"L.
This deed of being nichshal Z"l is known as "the known sin"


It's been going on for thousands of years. It's not new to the world

YeshivaGuy wrote on 07 Dec 2020 06:17:

I hear, yesh v'yesh, I didn't have any access to internet growing up until I got my own phone without permission (cuz I thought it must have been cool if it was against the rules). I started watching movies in high school because that's what all the cool kids did. I also started smoking around that time for the same reason (b"H stopped a few years later). I needed the attention and recognition and this is how I got it.

My point is, it's not only the parents fault. It may be true in cases like yours and people like you but there are many different stories that lead to the same place. 

Very good point.

I wonder if you had gotten “attention/recognition” at home or in Yeshiva, perhaps things would’ve been different...

This as well points us into the direction that there’s an issue in the chinuch system, we need to cultivate a society in which each guy feels choshuv/gets attention.
Because if they don’t get it at home or in Yeshiva, then chalila, they’ll look for it elsewhere.

This as well would be looking at the “root of the problem.”
Theres many causes, I’m just saying it would help to try fixing the “roots” besides looking to patch up the losses we’ve sustained up until now

YeshivaGuy wrote on 07 Dec 2020 12:22:

It could be that it is an issue but it's a different one. If we start trying to list all the issues with the chinuch system in place we will be here forever. 

Sitting in my room bored.
Yetzer pipes up with an idea!
Nope.
Gonna drag myself to the Beis.
Really really not in the mood.

Wanna keep strong though, especially cuz I’ll be visiting the מלכות יון הרשעה soon...

YeshivaGuy wrote on 08 Dec 2020 00:17:

You are literally my role model! Shteig away iron man!