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Re: Make it to Yeshiva 05 Nov 2020 06:13 #357105

In short the answer is, that giving in might bring you to slip even more, making it much harder to even start back to "one day at a time".

But mainly, giving in makes it much harder to teach yourself to stay clean for good which is the end goal. 
Joined as a single bochur, Bh broke free (but still on watch) by using the tools on this website, therapy but mainly through getting married. 

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Re: Make it to Yeshiva 05 Nov 2020 14:27 #357111

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"Just one day at a time" is a technique to deal with urges so it doesn't feel overwhelming. It's not an excuse to do what you so desperately wanted not to do just because tomorrow you can do "one day at a time." Plus the focus of one day at a time is not on tomorrow. It's exactly the opposite: it's on today, that you will fight strong today and not worry about tomorrow.

In professional sports, you always hear the coach say when his team is behind 3-0 in a best-of-seven playoff series that the team is going to take it one game at a time. I don't think the coach means that he doesn't care if they lose game 4 because they could win game 5 and win that one game (which wouldn't even happen if they lose game four, but you get the point). And I don't think the coach means that he would sign up for winning game 4 and losing game 5, because "one game at a time" is just a way of focus and motivation but isn't what he really wants.
In the place where ba’alei teshuva stand, even pure tzaddikim who never sinned cannot stand. (Rabbi Avohu, Brachos 34b)

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My favorite book for breaking free: The Battle of the Generation 
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Rabbi Shafier's incredible lectures on breaking free: The Fight. Download here: 
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https://guardyoureyes.com/forum/4-On-the-Way-to-90-Days/378128-Captain—Shtarkemotionals-Secret90Day-Challenge

Re: Make it to Yeshiva 05 Nov 2020 15:19 #357116

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YeshivaGuy wrote on 05 Nov 2020 03:28:
Thinkin now like what’s the big deal? So I’ll be nichshal now and then will resume being clean.
After all y’all always say “One Day At A Time”-
Is there actually any significance to cumulative clean days?

I suspect these thoughts come from the Yetzer...
Its just hard to always see things straight.

Its just such an easy way to get pleasure, and after a hard day it’s hard to pass up...

The fight is hard.  but I'H if you keep fighting and doing what you need to do to protect yourself from nisyonos, eventually it will get easier.  Be proud that you are working on this as a bachur.  G-d willing you will make it. 

Re: Make it to Yeshiva 05 Nov 2020 18:27 #357126

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wilnevergiveup wrote on 03 Nov 2020 05:13:

Here is a very important yesod; the "bechira point" doesn't change our nisyonos, just how we react to then. The nisyonos will always be there the question is whether or not it's an option.


Really? I thought Rav Dessler says that once you’ve “conquered” a madreiga/nisayon then you move on to other greater nisyonos.
Like my nisayon could be to make it to shachris whereas someone else won’t have that nisayon and his is having kavana

Re: Make it to Yeshiva 05 Nov 2020 19:35 #357127

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YeshivaGuy wrote on 05 Nov 2020 18:27:

wilnevergiveup wrote on 03 Nov 2020 05:13:

Here is a very important yesod; the "bechira point" doesn't change our nisyonos, just how we react to then. The nisyonos will always be there the question is whether or not it's an option.






Really? I thought Rav Dessler says that once you’ve “conquered” a madreiga/nisayon then you move on to other greater nisyonos.
Like my nisayon could be to make it to shachris whereas someone else won’t have that nisayon and his is having kavana

What Rav Dessler writes is that bechira only takes place in the place where we are confused between emes and sheker. As we grow, the things that we previously though to be for sure emes take on the possibility of being the sheker and some of the things that we previously confused as being emes we realize are really sheker.

This means that what surrounds us doesn't change, we do. 

For example, anyone can obtain non kosher food, for some people, it's not even a thought, for some people it never occurred to them not to, and then there are those who struggle with it. This is the concept, there are three levels, the area where you struggle is the area where bechira is taking place.
When a person grows and has no struggle for non kosher food anymore, this doesn't mean that he is never challenged with the temptation, rather when he is, it is not an option for him.

In our journey, as we grow, the challenges are still present, women don't suddenly stay at home and women don't suddenly become unattractive. This is not the goal, the goal is to grow to a point where we have the clarity to understand that when the challenge presents itself, it doesn't affect us.

Every step closer, every inch less of an option, every time you are able to say no and realize that this is just not something that you do, your bechira point moves along with. The same is true the opposite way, every time we willingly give in, it moves in the opposite direction. This is why it's important to always be fighting because we want to constantly be pushing it in the right direction. When we keep on fighting, the fight becomes easier, previous unwinnable battles become winnable and previous fights become easy wins.

It helps to reflect on how far you have come. Now the Y"H is throwing his best punches, it may feel the same but you have to realize that in the passed it may have only taken a flick to cause the same feeling.
This means that this "flick" and perhaps much more have no affect on you and now you struggle with some of the things that weren't even a battle.

The yesod is, the battle always feels the same, it's always tough, the question is what are you fighting for, who are you fighting against.

Just one mashsul some people who work out have a goal to "max out" to push until you cant go anymore. 
When I started lifting weights I would max out at about 150 lbs and after a few years I could do more then double that. Now that's a lot more weight but maxing out still feels the same. Today, I could lift 150 lbs and hardly feel it (okay, not anymore...), but back then, that was my max, 300 lbs wasn't even a thought. As you get stronger the numbers move up and up but the workout still feels the same.

I hope this is clear, I would be happy to clarify further.

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Re: Make it to Yeshiva 06 Nov 2020 07:05 #357146

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Taiva to masterbate. Not overwhelming, but def gotta actively not focus on it.
Made a few off color jokes today with a friend of mine.
Def not good for me and certainly beneath me.

Anyway, gn goin to sleep.
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Re: Make it to Yeshiva 06 Nov 2020 13:55 #357151

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Made a few off color jokes today with a friend of mine.
Def not good for me and certainly beneath me.


Something I've found is that such jokes and comments really hurt me. Even though it seems not to do things at the moment I make them, it somehow sends ideas of taivah into my subconscious at least a little. And that sometimes causes challenges to be stronger later on. So I admire your resolve in trying to avoid them, and I hope that will reduce the strength of your challenges at least a little. (In a way this is similar to any taivah involvement that we do that's not porn or masturbation, but it leads us in the wrong direction and riles up our temptations at least a little beneath the scenes, or perhaps a lot and in the open. Here it's more subtle but on that subtle level a similar thing happens inside us.)

In the place where ba’alei teshuva stand, even pure tzaddikim who never sinned cannot stand. (Rabbi Avohu, Brachos 34b)

Great free resources:
My favorite book for breaking free: The Battle of the Generation 
https://guardyoureyes.com/ebooks/item/the-battle-of-the-generation. Change your attitude and change your life!

Rabbi Shafier's incredible lectures on breaking free: The Fight. Download here: 
https://theshmuz.com/series/the-fight/

If you're only ready to try something small, check out an easier way to do self-talk here:
https://guardyoureyes.com/forum/4-On-the-Way-to-90-Days/378128-Captain—Shtarkemotionals-Secret90Day-Challenge
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Re: Make it to Yeshiva 07 Nov 2020 23:58 #357159

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Gut vuch,
Shabbos afternoon nap kept waking up “stiff” and taiva to masterbate, didn’t, but not sure why it kept happening..,

Anyway now bored motzei Shabbos, taiva to masterbate etc.
Always rough this time of week, gotta hold strong

Re: Make it to Yeshiva 08 Nov 2020 04:44 #357162

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Captain wrote on 06 Nov 2020 13:55:


Made a few off color jokes today with a friend of mine.
Def not good for me and certainly beneath me.


Something I've found is that such jokes and comments really hurt me. Even though it seems not to do things at the moment I make them, it somehow sends ideas of taivah into my subconscious at least a little. And that sometimes causes challenges to be stronger later on. So I admire your resolve in trying to avoid them, and I hope that will reduce the strength of your challenges at least a little. (In a way this is similar to any taivah involvement that we do that's not porn or masturbation, but it leads us in the wrong direction and riles up our temptations at least a little beneath the scenes, or perhaps a lot and in the open. Here it's more subtle but on that subtle level a similar thing happens inside us.)


The sforim tell us that the bris halashon is mechuvan k'neged (parallel) the bris ha'maor (the eiver). When we keep our mouths clean, we indirectly keep the bris clean too.
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Re: Make it to Yeshiva 08 Nov 2020 05:25 #357164

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My friend used my phone for a moment so unlocked the internet for himself (has my code), and forgot to put back on the restrictions code...
Later had my phone, chapped was internet.
Insane nisayon.
Slipped abit but pulled back.
Anyway gn

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My apologies for being so blunt, but maybe that's why unless absolutely necessary we should have internet free phones........
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Re: Make it to Yeshiva 08 Nov 2020 05:43 #357166

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Re: Make it to Yeshiva 08 Nov 2020 05:52 #357167

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Wow! That's incredible! Ashrecha!

Seeing your intense yearning and mighty resolve for a life of kedusha is heartwarming.

Just to repeat R'HHM's point. You are a person who brutally fights for Hashem every minute. Obviously you want to remove all obstacles, because all it does is make it harder for you to be successful in the mission you strive to accomplish. So maybe it's time to realize that all these games we play with filters and codes and friends is just an unnecessary impediment and risk. If its required then we have no choice but if not...why torture ourselves? Yes it's an extremely hard decision but the outcome will lead to a much easier and more peaceful journey.

                                   Grant

P.S. Are you sure your friend is able to have your code and "use" the internet safely? Even if yes, why place him in a position of temptation?

Re: Make it to Yeshiva 08 Nov 2020 06:14 #357169

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I guess my response was too blunt. So let me first say that you are a hero. You passed a very difficult nisayon, which i don't know that i would have been able to withstand. To be caught off guard with the "open cookie jar" is challenging - extremely challenging. Being that you did an action "she'lo k'derech ha'teva, ask Hashem to help someone you know she'lo k'deredch ha'teva with children, a shidduch, parnassa, refua......

Now that i gave some honest "chizuk", now read the previous post
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Re: Make it to Yeshiva 08 Nov 2020 06:21 #357170

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Let’s have a heart to heart:

I gotta stop using this stupid phone.
I already stopped using it 2 years ago, and only resumed while being home during corona.
And have kept using it.

Ill be blunt:

I’m weak. Ok?
I was advised to get rid of this phone and I didn’t.
Why?
Because I was scared and afraid to take that step.
But I’m not afraid to admit it.
Im weak and scared to take that step.
I know that what I’m doing is wrong.

I know that though I usually don’t have nisyonos, it’s still not worth it to have this thing.

I know. And I’m scared. I’m not afraid to admit that I’m human and I have struggles. And I don’t always make the right decisions.

The truth hurts. It’s uncomfortable. It’s painful.
But I don’t believe in excuses.
I will never lie to myself.
Truth and honesty is the sole pathway to genuine succes.

I know what I must do.
And I hope to summon the strength to take this step.

The aspiring,

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