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Re: My path to sanity... chevrah, help me with the way 10 Jan 2017 17:31 #302732

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yes! defiantly! I wish I can dedicate my life to helping people in need. it makes me feel so alive and up

Re: My path to sanity... chevrah, help me with the way 10 Jan 2017 18:16 #302735

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ZDuvid wrote on 10 Jan 2017 16:59:


​I also figured out that acting out is an escape for feeling uncomfortable in certain situation and of course I cant deal with feeling uncomfortable or Uchy, so in order I should feel better I try to do stuff that would make me feel better (Masturbating, No?..)

I also figured out that for a time period of two weeks that I was helping someone out in a hard situation I was clean the whole time WITHOUT me even working on myself! i was just so happy and relaxed that I just didn't do it. (Just a different coping mechanism, its a positive good feeling..)

Iso whats my conclusion??
​THAT I FREAKIN NEED TO LEARN HOW TO DEAL WITH MY UNCOMFORTABLE SITUATIONS INSTEAD OF ESCAPING IT.Million dollar question, how do i do it..

How to work a good personal program has a number of parts to it and I don't want to oversimplify things. However, healthy social connections - as you yourself have found - can be a major part of it. 
The link below talks about this. There is another animated version but  I only found it on youtube and I don't like going there.

www.ted.com/talks/johann_hari_everything_you_think_you_know_about_addiction_is_wrong

Hatzloocho

Re: My path to sanity... chevrah, help me with the way 10 Jan 2017 18:27 #302737

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yiraishamaim wrote on 10 Jan 2017 18:16:

ZDuvid wrote on 10 Jan 2017 16:59:


​I also figured out that acting out is an escape for feeling uncomfortable in certain situation and of course I cant deal with feeling uncomfortable or Uchy, so in order I should feel better I try to do stuff that would make me feel better (Masturbating, No?..)

I also figured out that for a time period of two weeks that I was helping someone out in a hard situation I was clean the whole time WITHOUT me even working on myself! i was just so happy and relaxed that I just didn't do it. (Just a different coping mechanism, its a positive good feeling..)

Iso whats my conclusion??
​THAT I FREAKIN NEED TO LEARN HOW TO DEAL WITH MY UNCOMFORTABLE SITUATIONS INSTEAD OF ESCAPING IT.Million dollar question, how do i do it..

How to work a good personal program has a number of parts to it and I don't want to oversimplify things. However, healthy social connections - as you yourself have found - can be a major part of it. 
The link below talks about this. There is another animated version but  I only found it on youtube and I don't like going there.

www.ted.com/talks/johann_hari_everything_you_think_you_know_about_addiction_is_wrong

Hatzloocho

Thanks so much for the reply. 
About Johann Haris Talk I think alot of addicts will disagree... while he may be right that when the addiction starts off it may be to BOND and people turn to adiction to bond and feel good, but once your deep in it its a sickness..

Re: My path to sanity... chevrah, help me with the way 10 Jan 2017 20:57 #302757

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yes, but why do some people get addicted, and some do not.  That may have to do with a bonding deficiency.  AND, even once addicted, it does help recovery to have bonds.  AND, not having the bonds, will definitely make it more difficult to recover.

BOTTOM LINE:
HEALTHY BONDING IS IMPORTANT!

Re: My path to sanity... chevrah, help me with the way 11 Jan 2017 03:31 #302791

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ZDuvid wrote on 10 Jan 2017 18:27:

yiraishamaim wrote on 10 Jan 2017 18:16:

ZDuvid wrote on 10 Jan 2017 16:59:


​I also figured out that acting out is an escape for feeling uncomfortable in certain situation and of course I cant deal with feeling uncomfortable or Uchy, so in order I should feel better I try to do stuff that would make me feel better (Masturbating, No?..)

I also figured out that for a time period of two weeks that I was helping someone out in a hard situation I was clean the whole time WITHOUT me even working on myself! i was just so happy and relaxed that I just didn't do it. (Just a different coping mechanism, its a positive good feeling..)

Iso whats my conclusion??
​THAT I FREAKIN NEED TO LEARN HOW TO DEAL WITH MY UNCOMFORTABLE SITUATIONS INSTEAD OF ESCAPING IT.Million dollar question, how do i do it..

How to work a good personal program has a number of parts to it and I don't want to oversimplify things. However, healthy social connections - as you yourself have found - can be a major part of it. 
The link below talks about this. There is another animated version but  I only found it on youtube and I don't like going there.

www.ted.com/talks/johann_hari_everything_you_think_you_know_about_addiction_is_wrong

Hatzloocho

Thanks so much for the reply. 
About Johann Haris Talk I think alot of addicts will disagree... while he may be right that when the addiction starts off it may be to BOND and people turn to adiction to bond and feel good, but once your deep in it its a sickness..

ZDuvid - I am a little confused. Healthy bonding with other people is very helpful in being a part of an overall program of recovery. That's all I am saying.
Even GYE itself is about connection to a great extent.
Relationships in person without anonymity are even better!
Of course, there are a lot of other things that are even more basic like learning to give over the fight to Hashem...

Re: My path to sanity... chevrah, help me with the way 11 Jan 2017 08:02 #302806

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yiraishamaim wrote on 11 Jan 2017 03:31:

ZDuvid wrote on 10 Jan 2017 18:27:

yiraishamaim wrote on 10 Jan 2017 18:16:

ZDuvid wrote on 10 Jan 2017 16:59:


​I also figured out that acting out is an escape for feeling uncomfortable in certain situation and of course I cant deal with feeling uncomfortable or Uchy, so in order I should feel better I try to do stuff that would make me feel better (Masturbating, No?..)

I also figured out that for a time period of two weeks that I was helping someone out in a hard situation I was clean the whole time WITHOUT me even working on myself! i was just so happy and relaxed that I just didn't do it. (Just a different coping mechanism, its a positive good feeling..)

Iso whats my conclusion??
​THAT I FREAKIN NEED TO LEARN HOW TO DEAL WITH MY UNCOMFORTABLE SITUATIONS INSTEAD OF ESCAPING IT.Million dollar question, how do i do it..

How to work a good personal program has a number of parts to it and I don't want to oversimplify things. However, healthy social connections - as you yourself have found - can be a major part of it. 
The link below talks about this. There is another animated version but  I only found it on youtube and I don't like going there.

www.ted.com/talks/johann_hari_everything_you_think_you_know_about_addiction_is_wrong

Hatzloocho

Thanks so much for the reply. 
About Johann Haris Talk I think alot of addicts will disagree... while he may be right that when the addiction starts off it may be to BOND and people turn to adiction to bond and feel good, but once your deep in it its a sickness..

ZDuvid - I am a little confused. Healthy bonding with other people is very helpful in being a part of an overall program of recovery. That's all I am saying.
Even GYE itself is about connection to a great extent.
Relationships in person without anonymity are even better!
Of course, there are a lot of other things that are even more basic like learning to give over the fight to Hashem...

yirai: Here it is safely in the GYE video repository. 

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Re: My path to sanity... chevrah, help me with the way 12 Jan 2017 03:57 #302905

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Re: My path to sanity... chevrah, help me with the way 12 Jan 2017 04:27 #302908

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Well put Zduvid. 
Now the question to ask is: Why are you addicted to escaping reality? What about your reality is unpleasing and requires an escape? Is there a way to improve the reality or maybe compromise?

Re: My path to sanity... chevrah, help me with the way 13 Jan 2017 18:37 #303087

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360gye wrote on 12 Jan 2017 04:27:
Well put Zduvid. 
Now the question to ask is: Why are you addicted to escaping reality? What about your reality is unpleasing and requires an escape? Is there a way to improve the reality or maybe compromise?

Since I can remember, I was always on this planet as a piece of shi**.  At the age of 8 I was already going to wieght loss group's, and visited every freakin nutritionist that lived within a 100 mile radiant...
People might not understand but a human being NEEDS to feel excepted and worthwhile. I always felt different. 
I never comprehended the deep emotions that i carried till recently.
And even till today, for example i was by a Bris today in shul at a family members Simcha and one friend asked me "I see your on your way up...(in wieght) what's going on"..
I feel like a uncomfortable soul in my soul.
(A easy girl hook-up would never happen...why would they when they have cute dudes running after them..)
So I have this tense feeling all the time on one side not fitting in and being ashamed/uncomfortable, and on the other side im tense with needing to go on a diet and working hard on myself. (Exusting)

Re: My path to sanity... chevrah, help me with the way 15 Jan 2017 13:13 #303137

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The battle that I fight within is very different than the one I think you are referring to. I do not fight a battle against desire, I fight a battle against the need to fulfill desire!!


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Re: My path to sanity... chevrah, help me with the way 16 Jan 2017 06:59 #303225

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ZDuvid wrote on 13 Jan 2017 18:37:

360gye wrote on 12 Jan 2017 04:27:
Well put Zduvid. 
Now the question to ask is: Why are you addicted to escaping reality? What about your reality is unpleasing and requires an escape? Is there a way to improve the reality or maybe compromise?

Since I can remember, I was always on this planet as a piece of shi**.  At the age of 8 I was already going to wieght loss group's, and visited every freakin nutritionist that lived within a 100 mile radiant...
People might not understand but a human being NEEDS to feel excepted and worthwhile. I always felt different. 
I never comprehended the deep emotions that i carried till recently.
And even till today, for example i was by a Bris today in shul at a family members Simcha and one friend asked me "I see your on your way up...(in wieght) what's going on"..
I feel like a uncomfortable soul in my soul.
(A easy girl hook-up would never happen...why would they when they have cute dudes running after them..)
So I have this tense feeling all the time on one side not fitting in and being ashamed/uncomfortable, and on the other side im tense with needing to go on a diet and working hard on myself. (Exusting)

Nonsense! Have enough confidence to believe you could hook up with anyone!
..Then you'll stop thinking about how to achieve it.
"Vegeta, what does the scouter say about his sobriety level?"
"... It's over NINE-ZEROOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!"

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Re: My path to sanity... chevrah, help me with the way 16 Jan 2017 18:41 #303303

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Singularity wrote on 16 Jan 2017 06:59:

ZDuvid wrote on 13 Jan 2017 18:37:

360gye wrote on 12 Jan 2017 04:27:
Well put Zduvid. 
Now the question to ask is: Why are you addicted to escaping reality? What about your reality is unpleasing and requires an escape? Is there a way to improve the reality or maybe compromise?

Since I can remember, I was always on this planet as a piece of shi**.  At the age of 8 I was already going to wieght loss group's, and visited every freakin nutritionist that lived within a 100 mile radiant...
People might not understand but a human being NEEDS to feel excepted and worthwhile. I always felt different. 
I never comprehended the deep emotions that i carried till recently.
And even till today, for example i was by a Bris today in shul at a family members Simcha and one friend asked me "I see your on your way up...(in wieght) what's going on"..
I feel like a uncomfortable soul in my soul.
(A easy girl hook-up would never happen...why would they when they have cute dudes running after them..)
So I have this tense feeling all the time on one side not fitting in and being ashamed/uncomfortable, and on the other side im tense with needing to go on a diet and working hard on myself. (Exusting)

Nonsense! Have enough confidence to believe you could hook up with anyone!
..Then you'll stop thinking about how to achieve it.

HAHA! the problem is that the "confidence" will be leaning against "proven facts"

Re: My path to sanity... chevrah, help me with the way 17 Jan 2017 08:23 #303345

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ZDuvid wrote on 16 Jan 2017 18:41:

Singularity wrote on 16 Jan 2017 06:59:

ZDuvid wrote on 13 Jan 2017 18:37:

360gye wrote on 12 Jan 2017 04:27:
Well put Zduvid. 
Now the question to ask is: Why are you addicted to escaping reality? What about your reality is unpleasing and requires an escape? Is there a way to improve the reality or maybe compromise?

Since I can remember, I was always on this planet as a piece of shi**.  At the age of 8 I was already going to wieght loss group's, and visited every freakin nutritionist that lived within a 100 mile radiant...
People might not understand but a human being NEEDS to feel excepted and worthwhile. I always felt different. 
I never comprehended the deep emotions that i carried till recently.
And even till today, for example i was by a Bris today in shul at a family members Simcha and one friend asked me "I see your on your way up...(in wieght) what's going on"..
I feel like a uncomfortable soul in my soul.
(A easy girl hook-up would never happen...why would they when they have cute dudes running after them..)
So I have this tense feeling all the time on one side not fitting in and being ashamed/uncomfortable, and on the other side im tense with needing to go on a diet and working hard on myself. (Exusting)

Nonsense! Have enough confidence to believe you could hook up with anyone!
..Then you'll stop thinking about how to achieve it.

HAHA! the problem is that the "confidence" will be leaning against "proven facts"

Law of large numbers, my friend! A successful salesman will make thousands of meetings and snag maybe 20, 30 or so. 




And please don't take my advice and talk to thousands of girls. Unless you're speed-shidduchisizing.
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Re: My path to sanity... chevrah, help me with the way 18 Jan 2017 04:51 #303451

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I hear ya! (By the way is there any reason our Chachamim didn't kill the Yetzer Hora of Znus? Can you imagine it would've been the opposite, they would of killed the Znus but left the Yetzer Hora of Avoda Zora... GYE would of been GYG.. Gard Your Getchkah)

Re: My path to sanity... chevrah, help me with the way 18 Jan 2017 13:24 #303485

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ZDuvid wrote on 18 Jan 2017 04:51:
I hear ya! (By the way is there any reason our Chachamim didn't kill the Yetzer Hora of Znus? Can you imagine it would've been the opposite, they would of killed the Znus but left the Yetzer Hora of Avoda Zora... GYE would of been GYG.. Gard Your Getchkah)

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