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Re: Found my way home thanks to GYE 11 May 2015 16:34 #254347

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shlomo613 wrote:
That's okay. It's something that has happened to all of us from time to time. You just want to make it as rare as possible and don't get discouraged. Because the fall is no big deal - it's what it does to you. How many shachrises do you miss as a result - that's where the soton really gets you.
So very well done for posting and stay connected with us. Keep your spirits up and know that the 70+ days you stayed clean so far are a massive deposit that is not lost.
I must say that I was quite amazed that your first serious effort lasted so long. It is truly incredible. I also knew you would fall. We're not malachim - and growth is a process wherein we learn from our falls (the lesson may not be apparent immediately).
I've been working on this for some 3-4 years and I've had plenty of falls, but one thing ive done is I've picked myself up and carried on. And therein lies success.
I think attitude plays a crucial role in this (getting up after a fall). You see, addicts tend to see things in terms of vistas of kedusha, "all the madreigos and hasagos I had I've now lost; I'm now filthy". This thinking is part of the addictive process, and in my experience we've go to move away from that in order to slowly lose the addictive cycle that addicts have.
The sforim hakedoshim talk lots about this and I hope others will expand on this point and support me wih sources.
For example, the maariv you daven after you've just acted out and feel so diatant and repulsive to Hashem, where you are indeed so low - is so chashuv and dear to Hashem. By Yitzchak it says: vayarach es rei'ach BEGADAV vayishakeyhu". The sforim (or forgotten who, maybe medrash or Zohar) says that you should read it as BOGDAV. Hashem smelled the scent of his sinners and blessed him.
Look at you hopeful. You sinner;). It was us that Yitzchak smelled, was pleased and blessed Yaakov!
Love.
Shlomo


very nice post.

What, however, was this supposed to mean: I also knew you would fall.
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Re: Found my way home thanks to GYE 11 May 2015 17:44 #254352

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It was his first attempt at sobriety and I didn't believe that anyone could maintain it from the word go. My experience and understanding of the addictive cycle is that it doesn't lend itself to that kind of change.
I felt and feel that it was more important to show hopeful how to get up than how not to fall. And it is in that spirit that you can clearly see everything has been written.
Cordnoy, I get the feeling that I might be a 'koton koifetz lerosh'. I'll PM you.

Re: Found my way home thanks to GYE 11 May 2015 17:45 #254354

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that's perfect, but you could have written the same without that line.
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Re: Found my way home thanks to GYE 11 May 2015 19:24 #254364

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Especially because it's not true. We don't have to fall.

Hatzlacha!
Much Hatzlacha!

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--"If, when you honestly want to, you find you cannot quit entirely, or if when drinking (or lusting), you have little control over the amount you take, you are probably alcoholic (or sexaholic)." AA Big Book P. 45. Parenthesis added.
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Re: Found my way home thanks to GYE 11 May 2015 19:40 #254372

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Does the oilam think I should edit that post to remove the offending statement - or should I leave it, and along with these posts it helps us clarify what the correct view should be. A bit like lhagdil toirah ulhaadir.
Last Edit: 11 May 2015 19:42 by shlomo613. Reason: Clarity

Re: Found my way home thanks to GYE 11 May 2015 20:02 #254379

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I was hesitating to comment on this but as I see others did I will give my 2cents to it.

first of all NO he doesn't have to fall even on the first try it is possible to succeed even on the first try.(I'm sure its not the first try, maybe here on GYE its his first)

However I felt the same way about his falling (I didn't know b/c I'm not a NAVI), why? when a person says I'm falling I'm falling he will eventually fall (it's not mine, the MAHRA"L writes so) when somebody walks on a wood plank when its on the ground he will manage to cross, when its in the air he will likely fall, b/c he is constantly thinking about falling, if we go with optimism that we will NOT fall and focus on the present to do what's right this moment with Hashems help we will pass the test.

Disclaimer: I'm commenting in general not to the individual addict
הסיבה שיש דברים קשים העוברים עליך היא בגלל שהאדם חושב כי "אני עומד" שהוא מנהל הכל,
ברגע שיתן הכנעה כי השי"ת מנהיג הכל אז כבר אפשר להתמודד עם הקשיים. שמעתי מאדם גדול

If life is a LEMON make LEMONADE

Thank You Hashem for every moment of Sobriety!

Re: Found my way home thanks to GYE 11 May 2015 20:27 #254381

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So far that's two against and one for. Any other bids?

Re: Found my way home thanks to GYE 11 May 2015 20:34 #254382

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just leave it and move on
we will not lose sleep over it one way or the other
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Re: Found my way home thanks to GYE 11 May 2015 22:15 #254397

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Hello all,

Thanks everyone for the chizuk and encouragement. Ive never had such 77 days before and have never had such a fall either.

In the past when i fell after being good for 3 weeks id go right back to porn for the next week on overdrive cause i figured i cant anyway so why bother, until id start again.

But this time was different.
This time I dont feel hopeless.
This time i got up rather quickly and told myself were moving on.
This time the YH couldn't keep me down for long.
This time im clean bright and early, the very next day.
This time i davened marriv with a bren.
This time i have friends rooting for me.
This time i realize what a fall really is.

And thats only thanks to Hashem for giving me GYE and the whole clan. Reading all the inspiration here i realize a fall is nothing. The last 77 days have not been for naught. It was conquered through blood sweat & tears and lots of prayer. And I will continue building on that.

Ive gained so much in the last 77 days that it is impossible that one fall just wipes it away like the YH would like me to belive it does.

And yes i realize i need to do something different. Things havent been working for me in the past and i must try some new path. We all realize this addiction just progresses and im not ready to give up my life to sustain my addiction.

And if it means attending a 12 step program then thats what it is. Even though im scared and ashamed. But hey face your fears and live your dreams.

Im in the midst of finding out a group here in my community. I will keep you guys posted on any new developments.

Thanks everyone for being a listening ear, its trully amazing to be a part of this.

HOPE!!
Grateful for today Hopeful for tomorrow.

Re: Found my way home thanks to GYE 11 May 2015 23:37 #254402

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So enjoyed your post.

Keep on truckin'

Keep on beaming with excitement and pride!

Rabbi Avigdor Miller zt"l says that we are created betzelam Elokim. Therefore, there is no end chas veshalom to our depression if we ALLOW OURSELVES to become that way.

As well. there is no end to our happiness if we want it enough. We can be deliriously happy!

Sounds like you've learned that lesson already.
Last Edit: 11 May 2015 23:38 by yiraishamaim.

Re: Found my way home thanks to GYE 12 May 2015 01:33 #254409

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With this attitude you're already a winner. You might have lost an hour or 2, but you own and won this battle. Keep on inspiring us.
Last Edit: 12 May 2015 01:34 by bestNYC. Reason: Typo correction

Re: Found my way home thanks to GYE 12 May 2015 01:39 #254410

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bestNYC wrote:
With this attitude you're already a winner. You might have lost an hour or 2, but you own and won this battle. Keep on inspiring us.


Exactly best,

All I lost was an hour or 2. Who cares what my "current streak" says:)

Hope
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Re: Found my way home thanks to GYE 12 May 2015 02:44 #254413

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Hopeful, Thanks for having a positive attitude. For me resetting that chart was one of the hardest things I had to do. What helped me move forward was the following:

1. realized that the hardest thing was the hit to my ego
2. learned to really focus on one day at a time
3. started to appreciate each day of sobriety
4. looked at all the days before my fall as days of learning and growth upon which I would continue to grow. So I didn't
5. gained some humility
6. focused on God's Will for me, instead of my Will for me

Hope that helps. Hatzlacha!
Much Hatzlacha!

My Threads:
Glad to be here
Don't slip it hurts
Lions & Tigers & Internet, Oh My!

--"ולא המדרש עיקר, אלא המעשה"
--"To promise not to do a thing is the surest way in the world to make a body want to go and do that very thing." Mark Twain
--"If, when you honestly want to, you find you cannot quit entirely, or if when drinking (or lusting), you have little control over the amount you take, you are probably alcoholic (or sexaholic)." AA Big Book P. 45. Parenthesis added.
--You hit rock bottom when you decide to stop digging.

Re: Found my way home thanks to GYE 12 May 2015 11:35 #254428

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Hopeful2 wrote:
Hello all,

Thanks everyone for the chizuk and encouragement. Ive never had such 77 days before and have never had such a fall either.

In the past when i fell after being good for 3 weeks id go right back to porn for the next week on overdrive cause i figured i cant anyway so why bother, until id start again.

But this time was different.
This time I dont feel hopeless.
This time i got up rather quickly and told myself were moving on.
This time the YH couldn't keep me down for long.
This time im clean bright and early, the very next day.
This time i davened marriv with a bren.
This time i have friends rooting for me.
This time i realize what a fall really is.

And thats only thanks to Hashem for giving me GYE and the whole clan. Reading all the inspiration here i realize a fall is nothing. The last 77 days have not been for naught. It was conquered through blood sweat & tears and lots of prayer. And I will continue building on that.

Ive gained so much in the last 77 days that it is impossible that one fall just wipes it away like the YH would like me to belive it does.

And yes i realize i need to do something different. Things havent been working for me in the past and i must try some new path. We all realize this addiction just progresses and im not ready to give up my life to sustain my addiction.

And if it means attending a 12 step program then thats what it is. Even though im scared and ashamed. But hey face your fears and live your dreams.

Im in the midst of finding out a group here in my community. I will keep you guys posted on any new developments.

Thanks everyone for being a listening ear, its trully amazing to be a part of this.

HOPE!!

BRILLIANT, BRILLIANT, BRILLIANT. Everything brilliant!
Well done. Keep up the great work. This day 1 was possibly equal to (or more?) than the 77 that preceded it. It is certainly the yesod for a great future.
Last Edit: 12 May 2015 11:53 by shlomo613. Reason: Error

Re: Found my way home thanks to GYE 12 May 2015 14:20 #254447

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serenity wrote:
Hopeful, Thanks for having a positive attitude. For me resetting that chart was one of the hardest things I had to do. What helped me move forward was the following:

1. realized that the hardest thing was the hit to my ego
2. learned to really focus on one day at a time
3. started to appreciate each day of sobriety
4. looked at all the days before my fall as days of learning and growth upon which I would continue to grow. So I didn't
5. gained some humility
6. focused on God's Will for me, instead of my Will for me

Hope that helps. Hatzlacha!


Serenity,

Awesome points. Each one of them.

And yes the fall was really humbling. I thought I'll go into shavous like a big macho guy, 90 days under my belt on the first shot since GYE ..... Hashem showed me otherwise, however I can still go into shavous grateful and proud, cause I did work very hard and continue to do so. But now it'll be without a chip on my shoulder.

Hope
Grateful for today Hopeful for tomorrow.
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