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Re: why did god make us this way? 25 Dec 2023 13:51 #405599

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See Tanya Ch. 27. 
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Re: why did god make us this way? 25 Dec 2023 14:20 #405600

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cordnoy wrote on 25 Dec 2023 05:58:

tzvikifine wrote on 24 Dec 2023 16:12:
I think the hardest struggle for me is understanding what god really wants from me:
what's the point of such intense struggles? 
we know that we're only given tests that we can withstand, sounds good in theory, but in reality how many of us actually believe that they can withstand their test?
we also know the bigger you are the bigger your nisoyon, but only the low ones do we see falling and falling over and over, but the great ones? I haven't noticed them falling, ever.
the whole idea that the greater you are the bigger your test doesn't make sense, they're only great because their able to withstand their nisyonos.
basically how can we compare our struggles to theirs if were falling every other day and their not?
also looking now at the future I know I'm gonna fall, its reality, its part of life, but god doesn't let me fall!!! ill be going to hell!!
so basically god wants me to deny the reality that HE created?!
​I've been struggling with m and p  for quite a while, I got married and it only got worse, but these questions have always been on my mind.
if anyone can help clarify or comment please do, thanks

Hi, sorry for what you're goin' thru.
I'll be the heretic for today.
God didn't make you this way.
He isn't testin' you (any more than life itself).
Whatever you and I are busy with, we did to ourselves. 
Others will say that my method is wrong, but it's so much quicker and easier and less stressful than all those books, programs and calls.
Stop blamin' thin's on God.

Many people fell into this struggle not with their own free choice (either by abuse or at a young age) and once they realized that it's bad they were already what we call 'addicted'. 

But, even if a person puts himself in a challenging situation, or even if he strengthens his lusts by constantly giving in and now faces overwhelming battles, he still receives the same reward for struggling to overcome his desires as if it had not been his fault. Although bringing the struggle upon himself adds to the gravity of his earlier mistakes, it does not take away from the greatness of his accomplishments. 

The Rambam (Hilchos Teshuva 7:4) explains that by sinning, ba’alei teshuva activated their desires and became more susceptible to the pull of sin. Their desires are many times stronger than those of a person who never sinned. For them to win their battles, they must exert much more effort.

People who have gotten caught up in the web of desire face extremely difficult battles. Seemingly innocuous situations awaken their desires, and suddenly they feel, “I want it! I need it! I can’t live without it!” The intensity cannot be fathomed by one who has never faced such desires. It takes much more strength for the ba’alei teshuva to win, and that’s why they are higher than those who never sinned.

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Re: why did god make us this way? 25 Dec 2023 14:38 #405604

cordnoy wrote on 25 Dec 2023 05:58:

Stop blamin' thin's on God.

Or, as Moe Srour thunderously puts it, Stop putting your sh*t on God.

In my opinion, it's a joint effort. He created us with the inclination and we made it far worse.
We get only one chance at life.
This is not a rehearsal; it's the real thing.

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Re: why did god make us this way? 25 Dec 2023 15:02 #405611

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Re: why did god make us this way? 25 Dec 2023 15:11 #405614

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Dear tzvikifine,

Have you watched the todays Vayimaen video from R Shlomo Farhi? If yes, then I think you know what makes someone great… if not, please watch it and you’ll understand what makes someone great.

Rooting for you,

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Re: why did god make us this way? 25 Dec 2023 15:44 #405616

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Heeling wrote on 25 Dec 2023 15:11:

Dear tzvikifine,

Have you watched the todays Vayimaen video from R Shlomo Farhi? If yes, then I think you know what makes someone great… if not, please watch it and you’ll understand what makes someone great.

Rooting for you,


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Re: why did god make us this way? 25 Dec 2023 17:37 #405631

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davidt wrote on 25 Dec 2023 14:20:

cordnoy wrote on 25 Dec 2023 05:58:

tzvikifine wrote on 24 Dec 2023 16:12:
I think the hardest struggle for me is understanding what god really wants from me:
what's the point of such intense struggles? 
we know that we're only given tests that we can withstand, sounds good in theory, but in reality how many of us actually believe that they can withstand their test?
we also know the bigger you are the bigger your nisoyon, but only the low ones do we see falling and falling over and over, but the great ones? I haven't noticed them falling, ever.
the whole idea that the greater you are the bigger your test doesn't make sense, they're only great because their able to withstand their nisyonos.
basically how can we compare our struggles to theirs if were falling every other day and their not?
also looking now at the future I know I'm gonna fall, its reality, its part of life, but god doesn't let me fall!!! ill be going to hell!!
so basically god wants me to deny the reality that HE created?!
​I've been struggling with m and p  for quite a while, I got married and it only got worse, but these questions have always been on my mind.
if anyone can help clarify or comment please do, thanks

Hi, sorry for what you're goin' thru.
I'll be the heretic for today.
God didn't make you this way.
He isn't testin' you (any more than life itself).
Whatever you and I are busy with, we did to ourselves. 
Others will say that my method is wrong, but it's so much quicker and easier and less stressful than all those books, programs and calls.
Stop blamin' thin's on God.

Many people fell into this struggle not with their own free choice (either by abuse or at a young age) and once they realized that it's bad they were already what we call 'addicted'. 

But, even if a person puts himself in a challenging situation, or even if he strengthens his lusts by constantly giving in and now faces overwhelming battles, he still receives the same reward for struggling to overcome his desires as if it had not been his fault. Although bringing the struggle upon himself adds to the gravity of his earlier mistakes, it does not take away from the greatness of his accomplishments. 

The Rambam (Hilchos Teshuva 7:4) explains that by sinning, ba’alei teshuva activated their desires and became more susceptible to the pull of sin. Their desires are many times stronger than those of a person who never sinned. For them to win their battles, they must exert much more effort.

People who have gotten caught up in the web of desire face extremely difficult battles. Seemingly innocuous situations awaken their desires, and suddenly they feel, “I want it! I need it! I can’t live without it!” The intensity cannot be fathomed by one who has never faced such desires. It takes much more strength for the ba’alei teshuva to win, and that’s why they are higher than those who never sinned.


There's always free choice.
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Re: why did god make us this way? 25 Dec 2023 17:53 #405632

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cordnoy wrote on 25 Dec 2023 17:37:
There's always free choice.

Don’t say things like that next thing you know you’ll ask them to take responsibility for their own actions 
I will give battle Sir- General George Meade (Army of the Potomac)
Nuts!- General Anthony McAuliffe (101st Airborne)
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Re: why did god make us this way? 25 Dec 2023 18:35 #405637

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צדקת הצדיק אות מג: פעמים יש אדם עומד בניסיון גדול כל כך עד שאי אפשר לו שלא יחטא כד"ש (ברכות לב, א): מה יעשה הבן כו', ובזה הוא נחשב אונס גמור דרחמנא פטריה. וגם בהסתת היצר בתוקף עצום שאי אפשר לנצחו שייך אונס [ואם הש"י הסיב את לבו הרי אין חטא זה חטא כלל, רק שרצון הש"י היה כך] ועמ"ש בכתובות (דף נא:) גבי תחלתו באונס אפי' צוחת לבסוף שאלמלא מניחה היא שוכרתו מותרת לבעלה מ"ט יצר אלבשה הרי דזה מחשב אונס גמור אעפ"י שהוא מרצונה מ"מ יצר גדול כזה א"א באדם לכופו והוא אונס גמור ואין בזה עונש אף דעשה איסור כיון שהי' אנוס.

אבל האדם עצמו א"י להעיד על עצמו בזה, כי אולי עדיין היה לו כח לכוף היצר [וכמו ששמעתי בזה מענין זמרי שטעה בזה]:


As Reb Tzadok writes, a person doesn't have the right to claim that he was forced to sin. It seems that Reb Tzadok holds that sometimes it can't be ruled out either, but a person can't avoid taking responsibility for his actions because he can't know for sure that he didn't have free will. Regarding my challenges that started in first grade when I was playing with other boys I don't have the right to say that I had no free will but I wouldn't rule it out either. Regardless of the onset, later in life I definitely had free will and for practical purposes that is all that matters. I used to believe that I had no free will even as an adult but GYE proved me wrong.

In psychology it is often said that we might be able to blame our parents, teachers, peers, etc. for our problems but it is up to us to resolve them.

The Yismach Yisroel writes that Hashem knows beforehand that a person will sin and yet he creates the person because He puts His trust in the person that he will do Teshuva. By the fact that we are still alive we see that Hashem hasn't given up on us.

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Re: why did god make us this way? 25 Dec 2023 19:21 #405646

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This idea from the tzidkas hatzadik is quite controversial. 
Nothing good grows in the dark. 

Re: why did god make us this way? 25 Dec 2023 19:34 #405649

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Dear Newly Deleted User 11074,

We understand that very, very well too….Oy do we understand!

Love you, wherever you are…

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Re: why did god make us this way? 25 Dec 2023 19:50 #405650

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foolie wrote on 25 Dec 2023 17:53:

cordnoy wrote on 25 Dec 2023 17:37:
There's always free choice.

Don’t say things like that next thing you know you’ll ask them to take responsibility for their own actions 

In a way I personally am getting tired of this back and forth every time. We must understand were and what we disagree on in order to understand. To say that Gd is cold and logical, and doesnt understand the extent of the tests we are going through, or blames us for societies lack of control is, I believe not the question. Hashem is avinu av harachaman. To say that we are terrible people for having such thoughts....well I believe there are a number of posts from Foolie that would go counter to this. If we are to say that I am an ones now if I would go sin, I think everyone would agree thats not the case. If we are talking about a person who from his childhood was exposed, is he considered an ones before he had a way of knowing recovery, that would be a case to case basis with very little practical halacha lemaseh. Ela may the naphka mina is after the fact that I sinned after knowing a path and Im working, bgeder, sheva yipol vehkam, who cares? If I am working on Lashon Hora and am nichshal during the process of working on it, would we think about it so much then? I am doing the best I can and we'll worry about tshuva later. If I am totally not working on anything is anyone going to say I am an ones
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Re: why did god make us this way? 25 Dec 2023 20:02 #405651

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cordnoy wrote on 25 Dec 2023 17:37:

davidt wrote on 25 Dec 2023 14:20:

cordnoy wrote on 25 Dec 2023 05:58:

tzvikifine wrote on 24 Dec 2023 16:12:
I think the hardest struggle for me is understanding what god really wants from me:
what's the point of such intense struggles? 
we know that we're only given tests that we can withstand, sounds good in theory, but in reality how many of us actually believe that they can withstand their test?
we also know the bigger you are the bigger your nisoyon, but only the low ones do we see falling and falling over and over, but the great ones? I haven't noticed them falling, ever.
the whole idea that the greater you are the bigger your test doesn't make sense, they're only great because their able to withstand their nisyonos.
basically how can we compare our struggles to theirs if were falling every other day and their not?
also looking now at the future I know I'm gonna fall, its reality, its part of life, but god doesn't let me fall!!! ill be going to hell!!
so basically god wants me to deny the reality that HE created?!
​I've been struggling with m and p  for quite a while, I got married and it only got worse, but these questions have always been on my mind.
if anyone can help clarify or comment please do, thanks

Hi, sorry for what you're goin' thru.
I'll be the heretic for today.
God didn't make you this way.
He isn't testin' you (any more than life itself).
Whatever you and I are busy with, we did to ourselves. 
Others will say that my method is wrong, but it's so much quicker and easier and less stressful than all those books, programs and calls.
Stop blamin' thin's on God.

Many people fell into this struggle not with their own free choice (either by abuse or at a young age) and once they realized that it's bad they were already what we call 'addicted'. 

But, even if a person puts himself in a challenging situation, or even if he strengthens his lusts by constantly giving in and now faces overwhelming battles, he still receives the same reward for struggling to overcome his desires as if it had not been his fault. Although bringing the struggle upon himself adds to the gravity of his earlier mistakes, it does not take away from the greatness of his accomplishments. 

The Rambam (Hilchos Teshuva 7:4) explains that by sinning, ba’alei teshuva activated their desires and became more susceptible to the pull of sin. Their desires are many times stronger than those of a person who never sinned. For them to win their battles, they must exert much more effort.

People who have gotten caught up in the web of desire face extremely difficult battles. Seemingly innocuous situations awaken their desires, and suddenly they feel, “I want it! I need it! I can’t live without it!” The intensity cannot be fathomed by one who has never faced such desires. It takes much more strength for the ba’alei teshuva to win, and that’s why they are higher than those who never sinned.


There's always free choice.

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It is known that all the Mitzvos that Hashem commanded his holy nation are Mitzvos that a man can stand by and cause himself a desire to do, besides for the Mitzva of staying away from arayos  which is something that a person craves and his desires forces him to act, unless one makes an effort to stay far away from two things: (1) Seeing with the eyes, (2) Thinking about it. However, if a person does not keep away from these two aspects (sight and thought), a man will not be able to control himself and rid himself of it.
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Re: why did god make us this way? 25 Dec 2023 20:36 #405657

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bright wrote on 25 Dec 2023 19:50:

foolie wrote on 25 Dec 2023 17:53:

cordnoy wrote on 25 Dec 2023 17:37:
There's always free choice.

Don’t say things like that next thing you know you’ll ask them to take responsibility for their own actions 

In a way I personally am getting tired of this back and forth every time. We must understand were and what we disagree on in order to understand. To say that Gd is cold and logical, and doesnt understand the extent of the tests we are going through, or blames us for societies lack of control is, I believe not the question. Hashem is avinu av harachaman. To say that we are terrible people for having such thoughts....well I believe there are a number of posts from Foolie that would go counter to this. If we are to say that I am an ones now if I would go sin, I think everyone would agree thats not the case. If we are talking about a person who from his childhood was exposed, is he considered an ones before he had a way of knowing recovery, that would be a case to case basis with very little practical halacha lemaseh. Ela may the naphka mina is after the fact that I sinned after knowing a path and Im working, bgeder, sheva yipol vehkam, who cares? If I am working on Lashon Hora and am nichshal during the process of working on it, would we think about it so much then? I am doing the best I can and we'll worry about tshuva later. If I am totally not working on anything is anyone going to say I am an ones

In general you are right but I think it is important for people who were abused as a child and are going around with tremendous pain and guilt for things they did as a child to understand that it may be that they had no free will. For practical purposes, regardless of their childhood experience, it is up to them to take responsibility for their future and heal.

Re: why did god make us this way? 26 Dec 2023 05:04 #405695

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I agree. My point is that I do not get what all the back and forth is. I think they would agree to you in that case as well.
Nothing good grows in the dark. 
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