Lou wrote on 02 Feb 2021 05:50:
I have been thinking...
This an idea in formation and I am not really sure how much practical application there is of it anyway,but just wanted to share my thoughts.
I believe there are 2 types or actually 2 stages of people that end up on GYE.(There are probably hundreds of types but I just want to split into 2 groups for this purpose.)
One stage is someone that in his teens,twenties,perhaps even thirties. Either a Bachur or somewhat newly married. The levels of Taiva are very strong. The urge to masturbate and watch porn or even Kosher outlets of lust is always strongly on their mind. They are fighting an uphill battle all the time.
The other stage is one who is usually 40s or above,and possibly went through all of that without GYE.Failed here and there. Was successful here and there.Ended basically holding onto himself for the most part and has moved on a bit.The Aish Hataiva is not consuming him on a daily basis.However,he has a new issue. This issue can possibly be just as bad. That is habit.Bad habits are very hard to break. When he was in his peak it was all about the lust/Taiva. Now, it is just a terrible habit that he is just so used to that he can't break it. (I am specifically not using the term addiction because that is possibly a different level,not sure but just staying away from that debate).
I don't know what is more challenging and if there really is a different way to treat either issue. However, I do think that being on here will work for both people. It may just work in different ways.
The 90 days may be just the perfect fit for the one who is not on a high level of daily lust. He just has to break the habit and that will do the trick. However, one who is consumed by lust can break it and then easily fall because the lust of a young man is a huge battle.
Posting all one's intense struggles on the forums may be just the thing someone in that stage needs as that gives him an outlet to share his feelings of Taiva and have it deflated by his loving friends on here.
Most probably many people are hybrids of both,but one of these is the primary issue,and the other secondary.
Just my thoughts...Any comments welcome.
Thanks
Amazing, very true.
Personnaly, I see that I’m in the “daily strong taiva”group, but I have become habituated in expressing that taiva in a certain way. So as you said, I think I have both.
My understanding of the mahalach here, which is the derech b’chlall in Avodas HaShem is to deal with the taiva in a constructive manner and not a destructive one.
Not to extinguish the aish of taiva, but rather to use it properly (be it through סור מרע or עשה טוב).