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Do you think about Gehenim? 22 Oct 2018 19:54 #336532

farblunjet OFFLINE Expert Boarder Posts: 131 Karma: 4	Isn't only for 12 months for everyone? so is the temperature just hotter the more you sin?
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Re: Do you think about Gehenim? 22 Oct 2018 21:28 #336547

360gye Current streak: 760 days OFFLINE Gold Boarder Posts: 237 Karma: 13	I am not an expert on this, but I do believe there are different levels of gehenim. I do believe each level down is worse than the previous.

Re: Do you think about Gehenim? 22 Oct 2018 21:49 #336548

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farblunjet wrote on 22 Oct 2018 19:54:

Isn't only for 12 months for everyone? so is the temperature just hotter the more you sin?

By me, it was/is for over three decades.

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Re: Do you think about Gehenim? 22 Oct 2018 22:44 #336553

farblunjet OFFLINE Expert Boarder Posts: 131 Karma: 4	cordnoy wrote on 22 Oct 2018 21:49: By me, it was/is for over three decades. what do you mean "three decades"?
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Re: Do you think about Gehenim? 22 Oct 2018 23:32 #336561

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farblunjet wrote on 22 Oct 2018 22:44:

cordnoy wrote on 22 Oct 2018 21:49:

By me, it was/is for over three decades.

what do you mean "three decades"?

Thirty years.

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Re: Do you think about Gehenim? 23 Oct 2018 00:47 #336569

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cordnoy wrote on 22 Oct 2018 21:49:

farblunjet wrote on 22 Oct 2018 19:54:

Isn't only for 12 months for everyone? so is the temperature just hotter the more you sin?

By me, it was/is for over three decades.

I guess that's why the gemara says that a person who has a difficult wife will not see the face of gehinom.

A ratio of decades to one year sounds plausible given that the smell of gan eden was considered extremely valuable in this world.

I guess gehinom must be pretty effing hot.

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Re: Do you think about Gehenim? 23 Oct 2018 05:34 #336590

דרך ישר Current streak: 18 days OFFLINE Senior Boarder Posts: 62 Karma: 2	Rav avigdor miller was always busy saying how someone with a good wife has to worry about gehinnom and how lucky someone who has a bad wife is in terms of saving himself a lot of very painful stuff in world to come

Re: Do you think about Gehenim? 28 Oct 2018 15:05 #336735

farblunjet OFFLINE Expert Boarder Posts: 131 Karma: 4	@cordnoy Sorry, I didn't understand. Do you mean to say your life for the past 30 years is like gehenim?
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Re: Do you think about Gehenim? 28 Oct 2018 15:42 #336743

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דרך ישר wrote on 23 Oct 2018 05:34:

Rav avigdor miller was always busy saying how someone with a good wife has to worry about gehinnom and how lucky someone who has a bad wife is in terms of saving himself a lot of very painful stuff in world to come

Can you please elaborate on that? I think I'd rather have a normal wife....

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Re: Do you think about Gehenim? 28 Oct 2018 15:47 #336744

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Shnitzel and kugel wrote on 28 Oct 2018 15:42:

דרך ישר wrote on 23 Oct 2018 05:34:

Can you please elaborate on that? I think I'd rather have a normal wife....

I think it's a bidieved, not a goal.

But it's good to know that suffering counts towards your account, even if it's in olam ha-ze.

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Re: Do you think about Gehenim? 28 Oct 2018 15:55 #336749

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That I got.

Why does one have to constantly put gehinom as a reason to feel good about suffering or a reason not to act out etc

Why can't we just focus on this world whilst we're here and deal with the problems we have in this world, and try find a solution from this world?

Not saying that gehimom isn't true but that's not what the focus should be, especially in this struggle... I feel like using such a excuse is another way of ignoring the problem and trying to bypass it...

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Re: Do you think about Gehenim? 28 Oct 2018 16:16 #336750

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farblunjet wrote on 28 Oct 2018 15:05:

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Sorry, I didn't understand. Do you mean to say your life for the past 30 years is like gehenim?

Yes.

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Re: Do you think about Gehenim? 28 Oct 2018 16:32 #336751

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Shnitzel and kugel wrote on 28 Oct 2018 15:55:

I don't think you are disagreeing with anyone here.

I think these things are quoted in the hope that they will help. A lot of people are turned off by mussar. Those people should not read mussar. The best mussar for those people is "don't read mussar!"

It depends on what motivates you deep inside. We all may have similar lives but we do the same things for different reasons. So the same statement lands differently on different people.

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Re: Do you think about Gehenim? 29 Oct 2018 01:00 #336776

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I agree i'm just giving chizuk to someone who unfortanately ended up in a bad marital situation- that it will take away from Gehinnom which is a wonderful thing considering that that is millions of times worse than anything in this world. However in terms of using it as a detterent for flling if someone has that strong of a אמונה ביראת העונש they probably wouldn;t be here . so for most people here probably better to focus on how much it;s ruining our lives to stay away and focus on practical tips not to fall,

Re: Do you think about Gehenim? 29 Oct 2018 03:02 #336780

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Shnitzel and kugel wrote on 28 Oct 2018 15:55:

Shnitz, not every situation has a solution that's in our control. Sometimes we have to look at this world and admit that there is nothing that we can do to change the people around us.
If soneone is in that situation, they're not ignoring the problem or trying to bypass it. It's out of their control. But it's nice to know that no suffering is in vain.
Even the smallest discomfort is recorded and credited, certainty the big stuff is as well.

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