20 Jun 2017 01:40
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Shivisi_Hashem
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Markz wrote on 20 Jun 2017 00:54:
40 Crazy Years! Why should I Change NOW???
Addiction free Life is in your hands - This is the lesson of Parashat Shelach and it's Haftara
Parshas Shelach describes the Jew's inability of breaking out from victim aka Egyptian (*1) Slave Mentality- into survivor aka Freedom Mentality, when they accepted the report of the spies negatively. This sealed their fate in the desert.
In contrast, the Haftara relates Rachav's strength of character breaking free out of 40 years of prostitution from the (*2) young age of 10 [Perhaps due to childhood abuse], and the temptations of her renowned beauty (*3). She made a turn around to the point that she became the wife of the leader of the Jewish nation - Yehoshua!
Her entire nation was in a state of terror with the news of the pending attack from the Jewish nation, where lust activities virtually ceased and closed down her immodest store (*4).
She then made a moral inventory - and accept the true Gd of the Jews, at risk of death. Her neighbors could have done so too. They did not.
She chose life and and Gd granted it to her
Rachav’s message to us (*5), is that no excuse should impede our ability to change. Whatever our life circumstances, we are free either to take responsibility or ignore opportunities for our own self-growth. Rachav decided to use the very same things she had used all along, in order to do the Will of Hashem, in order to create a relationship with him.
Rachav ultimately marries Yehoshua and our sages tell us that from her came eight high priests, who were also prophets – among them Yirmiyahu and Yechezkel. How did she merit such offspring, when in fact there have been others through history who saw God and committed to Him, yet did not merit such rewards? The answer lies in the fact that Rachav saw God in a situation where others might have asked, “Where is God?” Consider Rachav’s position: she is attached to 31 kings and knows their secrets; she lives on the border the Jewish people are about to overrun; she has no idea whether the two men she hides will accept her. Nonetheless, she sees God’s hand in these tribulations, and to this she commits everything.
Rachav understands that, good or bad, everything that happens points the way to God.
To be in a difficult situation and make the best of it – to see God in the midst of uncertainty and chaos – is a quintessentially Jewish trait, whose foremother is the great Rachav.
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Notes:
*1) See Ibn Ezra Shemos 14:13 re: the slave mentality of the Jewish people
*2) See Tractate Zevachim 116b
*3) See Tractate Megilla 15a
*4) Kesef Mezukak - Parshat Shelach
*5) The final paragraphs are from
torah.org/learning/women-class30/
Wow, thats unreal! What a great post...
thank you markz.
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20 Jun 2017 00:54
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Markz
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40 Crazy Years! Why should I Change NOW???
Addiction free Life is in your hands - This is the lesson of Parashat Shelach and it's Haftara
Parshas Shelach describes the Jew's inability of breaking out from victim aka Egyptian (*1) Slave Mentality- into survivor aka Freedom Mentality, when they accepted the report of the spies negatively. This sealed their fate in the desert.
In contrast, the Haftara relates Rachav's strength of character breaking free out of 40 years of prostitution from the (*2) young age of 10 [Perhaps due to childhood abuse], and the temptations of her renowned beauty (*3). She made a turn around to the point that she became the wife of the leader of the Jewish nation - Yehoshua!
Her entire nation was in a state of terror with the news of the pending attack from the Jewish nation, where lust activities virtually ceased and closed down her immodest store (*4).
She then made a moral inventory - and accept the true Gd of the Jews, at risk of death. Her neighbors could have done so too. They did not.
She chose life and and Gd granted it to her
Rachav’s message to us (*5), is that no excuse should impede our ability to change. Whatever our life circumstances, we are free either to take responsibility or ignore opportunities for our own self-growth. Rachav decided to use the very same things she had used all along, in order to do the Will of Hashem, in order to create a relationship with him.
Rachav ultimately marries Yehoshua and our sages tell us that from her came eight high priests, who were also prophets – among them Yirmiyahu and Yechezkel. How did she merit such offspring, when in fact there have been others through history who saw God and committed to Him, yet did not merit such rewards? The answer lies in the fact that Rachav saw God in a situation where others might have asked, “Where is God?” Consider Rachav’s position: she is attached to 31 kings and knows their secrets; she lives on the border the Jewish people are about to overrun; she has no idea whether the two men she hides will accept her. Nonetheless, she sees God’s hand in these tribulations, and to this she commits everything.
Rachav understands that, good or bad, everything that happens points the way to God.
To be in a difficult situation and make the best of it – to see God in the midst of uncertainty and chaos – is a quintessentially Jewish trait, whose foremother is the great Rachav.
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Notes:
*1) See Ibn Ezra Shemos 14:13 re: the slave mentality of the Jewish people
*2) See Tractate Zevachim 116b
*3) See Tractate Megilla 15a
*4) Kesef Mezukak - Parshat Shelach
*5) The final paragraphs are from
torah.org/learning/women-class30/
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19 Jun 2017 21:12
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GrowStrong
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mikestruggling wrote on 19 Jun 2017 20:57:
i haven't posted in a while now i'm just here because i'm in a bit of a lust attack (and i can't really call anyone) and i need to surrender my lust to my higher power i am afraid of losing my sobriety (which is the longest now in over one and a half years) i need to decide that i can't control my taivois/desires i can only control my reaction to them (i think, someone correct me if i'm wrong) and i can control right now
everyone else stay strong its not fun in a lust attack but posting is helping me
have an awesome day
Now that i have a bit of distance from my addict and addiction i have noticed something interesting happening.
Where I used to lust and want to be lusted after the current status is that 'I want to lust'
After thinking about this for a few days, i was able to realize for myself that this is the addict inside me who lusted for so many years who is doing this wanting to lust business. Its not me. So I work my program to not let it take me over. And to not lust. He (my addict) can want all he wants... its not what I want.
There are many ways to cast it away, but the key is to not focus on the lust, rather work on transcending it.
It might never go away (from our awareness of periphery) , but the compulsion to listen to it or to C"V follow its orders dissipates with time.
As long as we remain in spiritual health.
So work on getting to a good place spiritually, You can't do that AND lust at the same time!
Stay Strong brother.
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19 Jun 2017 20:30
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dms1234
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Welcome! I am also a Baal Teshuva and also an addict.
Feel free to reach out!
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19 Jun 2017 17:55
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Tunrand
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For so long, as long as I can remember I suppose, I've been a slave to this. I am a Baal teshuva and so I grew up with this terrible addiction from the begging. In the last five years I've made what feels like endless efforts to beat this addiction but over and over, have failed. I love my wife, my children, my Creator and my fellow yidden, and I want more than anything to take my place among them as the person I know I truly am; and I know that my entire spiritual figure depends on this tikkun habris.
I have ave filters on my phone, computer etc... but somehow always seem to find complicated ways around them. I can fight it when I am strong, learning, davening, working and happy. But when I have a nefilah in simcha from any of the above, it only takes one late night to ruin everything again.
I dont know know where to go from here but I hope I can find help here.
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19 Jun 2017 17:17
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Shivisi_Hashem
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i know that this article doesn't belong here, but i figured ill still post it here.. its a great one.. it might help someone! Ask Not Whether, But How! YY Jacobson Author and International Speaker Kill the messenger? Why were the spies condemned for reporting the facts? Link to this great article at: http://bit.ly/2siPqYR "The difficult we do immediately; the impossible takes a little longer". -- General Montgomery The Hole in the Roof A rabbi stands before his congregation and reports to them that a massive hole has been found in the roof of the synagogue "Now I have good news and bad news for you," the Rabbi continues. "The good news is that we have the money to repair it; the bad news is that the money is in your pockets." If We Win? The story is told that the Israeli parliament, or Knesset, recently convened an emergency session to figure out a solution for the devastated Israeli economy. One brilliant minister said, "Let's declare war on the U.S., and then, in the wake of the utter destruction America will bring upon us, we will receive billions of dollars for reconstruction, like Germany and Japan "Sounds great," responded another member of the Knesset. "One problem: What will we do if we win the war?" Twelve Jews on a Mission This week's portion, Shlach, tells the story of 12 men who were dispatched by Moses from the desert to go and survey the Land of Israel and its inhabitants. The purpose of their journey was to prepare the Jewish people for the subsequent conquest and settlement of the Land Upon discharging the spies on their mission, Moses presented them with a list of questions they needed to answer. "See the Land," Moses said to them. "How is it? And the nations that dwell in it—are they strong or weak? Are they few or numerous? And how is the land in which they dwell—is it good or bad? And how are the cities in which they dwell—are they open or are they fortified?" When the 12 spies returned from their 40-day tour of Israel they presented to the people a report of their findings "We arrived at the Land to which you sent us," the spies said, "and indeed it flows with milk and honey and this is its fruit. But the people that dwells in the land is powerful, the cities are greatly fortified and we also saw the offspring of the giant "We cannot ascend to that people for it is too strong for us," the spies proclaimed The report that the spies brought back demoralized the Jewish nation and drained it from the motivation to enter the Land. As a result, the spies were severely punished and the entire generation ultimately died in the desert, never making it into the Land. Only 39 years later, in the year 1276 B.C.E., did the children and grandchildren of this generation cross the borders of Israel and settle the Promised Land Kill the Messenger? One of the many questions raised by biblical commentators concerns the reason for the spies receiving punishment. Moses gave them a detailed list of questions about the Land; he instructed them to make their own observations as to what will await the people upon their arrival This is exactly what the spies did. They came back with an answer to all of Moses' questions and reported what they perceived to be the reality of the situation. If Moses expected them to cover up their observations -- that the Land was inhabited by mighty men and its cities were greatly fortified -- he should have never sent them in the first place! Why were the men faulted for relating what they had seen? Introducing Paralysis The answer is that if the spies had merely related to the people the reality of the situation as they saw it, everything would have been fine. But they did more than that. They used the difficulties they observed as an incentive to introduce the option of surrender and capitulation in the face of crisis Had the spies returned and said, "Hey guys, we have seen a mighty people and well-protected cities in the Land, so now we need to devise an effective strategy of how to go about our challenging mission," they would have fulfilled their task splendidly. The moment they responded to the obstacles by saying "We cannot do it anymore," they swayed an entire people to abandon their G-d-given destiny The spies are condemned in Jewish tradition for substituting the "how will we do it" with the "can we do it?" Conquering Your Darkness Each of us has a domain in our life that needs to be conquered, a terrain that needs to be transformed into a "holy land." Some of us need to battle fear, temptation, addiction, or shame. Since the challenges that lay in recovery's path are at times frightening, we are naturally tempted to believe that we are incapable of overcoming our darkness and we thus surrender to our demons Though this feeling is understandable, it is a sad mistake that must be fought tenaciously, for it robs us of the opportunity to liberate our souls and arrive at our personal "Promised Land." The option of resignation compels us to remain stuck for the rest of our lives in a barren desert made up of shame, insecurity and weakness The question ought never to be, "Can I do it?" The resources to repair the hole in our personal roof are always present. Every problem can be dealt with. The only legitimate question is, "How do I do it?"
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19 Jun 2017 05:22
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Zra
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Made a lot of bad decisions that eventually led me to breaking my streak... Tried to pull through and make it through the night, but I did not. The only good thing that can come of this is that I am more set on stopping than I was before.
My mistake: I thought I would be able to watch tv shows and other videos even if they had occasional not kosher scenes that I could skip over. The choices I made up until and including the actual breaking of the streak were definitely my own fault. Stopping tv shows is good thing in many ways because I need to stop wasting a lot of time watching tv shows regardless. My Addictive personality has a bad a tendency to binge shows. Okay it's late. But to conclude, I will not allow myself to make the same mistakes I made this time. I have to stop this and I will do whatever it takes. Tomorrow is that start of my forever streak, one day at a time.
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18 Jun 2017 19:44
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bear
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"gevurah" post=89589 date=1292591206 catid=15The first Nesivos Sholom-(Slonim) in the Parshah V'Yechi is Gevaldig A Must Read!!!!!
ninetydays wrote on 11 Nov 2011 18:11:
Hi All - This just hit me and I am sure it is spoken about by everyone. Sometimes the Torah refers to sex and "knowing" and sometimes it refers to it as "lying down" or "to bring her in" or "to come on her". This really describes the two reasons people are intimate. To develop and emotional connection or pure physical pleasure. I did not go through the times in the Torah where there leshonos are used but I will begin doing that this Shabbos. ninety
cleanisrael wrote on 05 Nov 2011 18:31:
Shortly before Sukkos, I bought Shlomo Katz's new live CD. There's a story on the CD that blew me away when I heard it, and continues to completely reshape how I look at the world and at my life. I'm sure there are a number of people who would really benefit from this story One of the Rebbe's from the dynasty of Slonim was traveling to a distant town. He stayed at a particular inn while he was staying int he town. One night while in the lobby of the inn he saw another Yid walk in. This Yid immediately caught his attention because his face was shining like Moshe coming down from Har Sinai. The rebbe thought, "this must be an amazing tzadik, to have such a radient, vibrant face." We went over to him and said, "Rav Yid - if you don't mind my asking - who are you? You're face is glowing like the sun" The Yid was a little taken aback that this great rebbe would be asking him such a question. He regained his composure and answered. "I don't know what you're talking about. I'm no one special. I'm just a simple Jew who tries to do his best in the world." "What do you mean?" asked the rebbe. "Well you see I don't really learn. And I don't really daven - you see I can't read. I go to shul and try to daven shacharis. I mumble a few words, but then leave because I just can't do it. Same thing by mincha. Same thing by maariv. I'm telling you, I'm no one special." "But you must be!" exclaimed the rebbe. "Only an amazing tzadik could have the aura that you have. When you walk into a room it literally brightens with your presence!" "Well there is one thing," the Yid said. "But I'm sure it's nothing special. I'm sure everyone does it." "Tell me," insisted the rebbe. The Yid said: "Every night before I go to sleep, I say "Master of the World, there's only one thing that I request of you. If you don't believe, if you don't think that tomorrow I can't do all that you need me to do in the world. If you don't think that I can't get the job done, the job for which you brought me into this world...don't wake me up. All of us are amazing people, and all of us have a reason for being here. And the knowledge that the fact that I'm alive right now, means that I have a reason for being here is enough to know that I've have purpose and that I'm an important person. Everyone who's struggling should here this message and have knowledge and confidence to know that Hashem, our father, 100% believes in you, that you do what you're supposed to do. On a side note, I highly recommend the CD, it will take you to another place.
geshertzarmeod wrote on 28 May 2012 13:17:
I came across the following on shavuous. I thought the tzibur would appreciate it. The Nesivos Shalom says that there are certain things that a yachid cannot accomplish on his own. Only when he is part of a tzibur is it possible. Kabalas HaTorah for example could only be accomplished by our being unified as a tzibur. Similarly, all the inyanim of kedusha are written b'lashon rabim. because the yachid on his own can't overcome it on his own. כי היחיד אינו יכול להשיג רק את הענינים
הטבעיים, אבל ענינים שלמעלה מן הטבע אין בכח היחיד להשיגם. כיון שהם למעלה ממדרגותיו הטבעיות. רק בזה שכולל עצמו בכלל ישראל, בכח הרבים שהוא כח אלוק ממעל, על ידי זה יוכל להגיע אף למדרגות כאלו שאין בכח היחיד להשיגם so you see we as individuals cant beat this thing. Its only thru joining a tzibur like GYE that gives us the כח to win this battle.
Shivisi_Hashem wrote on 08 May 2017 01:48:
Breaking Free Chizuk # 1664
The torah part, about כל הגדול-מחבירו, יצרו גדול-ממנו is an unbelievable pshat, i love it,
The מאור ושמש says it too last week, parshas Kdoshim, that רש"י says that this parshe was said בהקהל, when all the yidden were all together, so he asks, that all the מצוות were said בהקהל, there is no מצוה was said seperately to one jew or a seperately part of jews, so he answers that by kedosihm someone can think that the best way to be holy is when he is a loner, goes only by him self, so thats what he says, that in order to be קדושים, you must be בהקהל, you must be together with friends, so you can learn from each other how to be and sgay holy....
giboir wrote on 06 Jan 2011 22:48:
I heard a good vort at shiur yesterday which gave me a lot of chizuk especially in regard to our struggles. The first Mitzvah that was given to Klal Yisroel is in this week’s sidrah which is the Mitzvah of Rosh Chodesh. However, the first Mitzvah that involved an action is the Mitzvah of Korban Pesach, also in this sidrah. What is the importance of this Mitzvah? Part of the commandment was to put the blood on the doorposts so that the Yidden would not be affected by Makkas Bechoros. Why should the Yidden have been more at risk from this Makkah as opposed to all the others which did not affect them at all? Also, why should blood on the doorposts help? In the Hagadah we read that Makkas Bechoros was carried out by Hashem Himself and not through a Malach, Saraf or messenger. We can imply that the other Makkos were in fact carried out by Malachim and other heavenly messengers. The reason that the Yidden were not affected by the first nine Makkos is because these heavenly beings have no power over the Yidden as the Yidden are greater creatures (even when they are on the 49th level of Tumah). To give an example, it is as if the Malachim etc. are pouring dirty water down from the ninth floor of a tower building. The Yidden are on the tenth floor and therefore are not in the ‘firing line’ and cannot be harmed. However, Makkos Bechoros was carried out by Hashem. He is a much higher source and therefore the Yidden were at risk as well. The only way that the Yidden could be protected was by becoming part of Hashem’s camp. Putting the blood on the doorposts signified that this home was a Mikdash Me’at and part of Hashem’s territory. It is a similar concept to an embassy building. For example, the Israeli embassy in England is considered as Israeli territory despite the fact that it is situated in London. Therefore, in Mitzrayim, the Jewish homes were not considered as being within Mitzrayim and were Passed Over. Hence the name of the Yomtov is Passover as this was the key element. This is the fundamental of Mezuza. By putting a Mezuzah on our door we are declaring that our home is no longer in the territory of the goyim of England, America etc but in fact it is the territory of Hashem. Our homes become a Mikdash, totally separate from the schmutz around us. If we bring the schmutz of the street into our homes we are totally contradicting the message of the Mezuza. If we do this our homes become the same as those of the goyim and may not be ‘Passed Over’. On a separate note, the first Mitzvah is that of Kiddush Hachodesh. The posuk says ‘Lochem’ which signifies that we have control over setting the month. What is the significance of this Mitzvah as the first Mitzvah given? The answer is in relation to the issue of time. A slave is not in control of his own time. He gets told what to do and when. Whilst we were slaves to Pharoah we were not in control of our own time. At the time of the Geulah we became free and therefore gained control over our time and our activities. This is the message of Kiddush Hachodesh. Now that we are no longer slaves, we have control of our time and have to use it wisely in the service of Hashem. How many of us waste hours and hours of time as slaves to our addictions. May we all have a full Geulah soon.
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18 Jun 2017 09:13
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RobFloyd
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I joined GYE 95 days ago. I reached 90 days of sobriety 5 days ago. This is my first post on GYE. I would like to share my story. I started on Recovery when I was busted by my wife. I had been acting out for more than 30 years. That first night after I was busted, I went to sleep and I knew I was in big trouble with my wife. While lying in bed, I imagined myself in Beit Din Shel Mala at the end of my life. I was in the middle of a dark room surrounded by many people watching the Din. All of my acting out was played back and I felt a great dread that my Din was LeChova and there was absolutely no escape. I felt a deep fear. This was my rock bottom. My wife had happened to be at a lecture by Rabbi Twerski where he talked about GYE for about 5 minutes. She told me that he said that this is only way to recover from this addiction. I wasn’t convinced I was an addict, but I was desperate to pacify my wife. The next day (Day 1), I went on GYE and signed up for the Chizuk mails and joined the 90 Day Chart. I spent a lot of time on GYE and two things made a great impression on me. One was a reply from Rabbi Twerski where he said that if you know that a behavior is wrong, and you try to stop doing it and you are not successful in stopping the behavior, then you are an addict. The second was an article from someone who has been sober for more than two years. He wrote that when he starts to think that he has this licked then he knows that he’s in trouble. Next, I read a lot about the 12 Steps. I spent my first two weeks in a severe crisis. My wife was a wreck and was barely talking to me. I had to take a hard look at myself and admit that I am a sexaholic. I studied the first step and tried to understand what it meant to be powerless over my addiction. I went through the following process: 1. I admitted that I am a sexaholic. This was a huge blow to my ego. A more accurate description is that my ego was shattered. 2. Because of the second article I saw on GYE, I realized that I had to start a lifelong process. 3. I imagined myself in the same room where I had the Din. I shone a light around me and I discovered the part of me that is an addict. This part of me has been with me since I started acting out. Whenever I studied mussar and chassidut and tried to conceive of submitting my will to the Will of Hashem, this part of me was actively resisting. Whenever I tried to do Teshuva, including during Neila on Yom Kippur, this part of me was looking right over my shoulder and laughing at me. It was saying, “You can say what you want. You accept what you want. In the end, you will come back to me and continue acting out.” It was a huge revelation to shine a light on this part me. Just the fact that I discovered it and brought it out into the open, significantly diminished its power. 4. At this point, I asked myself where do I go from here? I looked at the second and third steps and the answer was obvious. Once I had found the addict in me, I had to crush it. I submitted myself to Hashem and I asked him to help me. This was the first time in my life I felt I had truly submitted my will to the will of Hashem. 5. This was an intense two-week process. I feel that I have never done cheshbon nefesh as I did during those two weeks. What worked for me? I started with a reading list. I downloaded the Big Book and the GYE Handbook from GYE and read them cover to cover. I read Addictive Thinking and Teshuva through Recovery by Rabbi Twerski. I spent a lot time reading articles and testimonials on GYE. I have been working one on one with Duvid Chaim since nearly the beginning of the 90 days. He has been a huge help in guiding me on the path of Recovery including teaching me many practical tools and exercises. I call in to Duvid Chaim’s 12-step call once or twice a week. I find the daily Chizuk and Shmiras Ainayim mails to be very helpful. I start my day by reading them. They set the tone for the day. During the day, when I find myself getting bored (which was always a trigger for looking for inappropriate material on the Internet), I go on to GYE and read a few articles. This keeps me going for the rest of the day. One of the big problems I always had was Shmirat Einaim in public. One of the best things I saw on GYE (and heard from Duvid Chaim) is that the first look is on God and the second look is on me. If I notice a pretty woman, I accept that I haven’t done anything wrong. I’m still clean. I have to concentrate on not staring and not looking a second time. This is much more difficult on a bus or train when the woman is standing next to me or sitting across from me. In these situations, if I’m having a hard time, I say a quiet Tfilla to Hashem (from the GYE Handbook), “Hashem, I cannot control my lust. I ask you to take it from me.” It works! My next trick when in a public place is to take off my glasses. It works wonders in a restaurant or when going for an exercise walk. One of my biggest challenges with Shmirat Einaim was the thought that it was impossible to keep this up forever. In the past, I have tried to control this, especially around Yom Kippur. However, inside, I would always think that it's impossible to do this forever. This would eventually lead to a few failures and finally giving up. I want to relate this to driving. First, driving has always been a trigger point for me. When I would be driving around in town, I would always be looking around to see if there were pretty women walking on the sidewalk, crossing in front of me, etc. My point is that when driving, you always have to watch where you're going. You have to watch for other cars, traffic signs and pedestrians. I would never say that I can't forever watch where I'm driving and I'll just have to give up and drive without looking. It's the same with Shmirat Einaim. In the same way I realize that I will always have to watch where I'm going when I drive, so I realize that I will always have to be careful about my eyes every time I leave the house. Throughout the 90 days, I have worked hard on davening to Hashem for help. I have found that my relationship with Hashem has progressed from a Rasha who is trying to daven to an angry disapproving Master to that of a son who is davening to his loving Father. I used to come into shul on Friday night and ask myself how I can accept the Kedusha of Shabbat after all of the acting out I have done during the week. Now I come into shul, I feel clean, I feel the Kedusha of Shabbat and I feel the love of Hashem. I feel that Hashem took pity on me and sent my wife to bust me so that I would hit rock bottom. This sent me to GYE and saved my life.
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18 Jun 2017 04:58
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ThereIsHope
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I have already the used the program on the website. Including restricting the selection. I have not found anyone suitable. I will explain my situation below, and whoever thinks they can help me, please email me at endingevil@gmail.com.
Ok, here's my story: I have struggled for many years. I mostly waste time with masturbating to Internet pornography. However, it's also possible now that I got an STI. I've done some risky things sexually, and as far as I'm concerned, I've hit "rock bottom" and it's time for a better life that I feel is only possible through either the 12-step program for addicts or something very much like it. I know that I just want to meet my Bashert and just have sex with her, rather than masturbate, and I know that with recovery, as well as how to disclose an addiction, when to disclose it, and what to disclose is all very tricky, and the same questions apply if I have an STI. I need guidance on all of this, for how to discuss this with women I date. I'm in my early thirties, I am single, and Modern Orthodox. I need a sponsor, a partner, a Rabbi, a doctor, to live more meaningfully, get married. I'm in the greater Washginton DC Metro area. I want someone Modern Orthodox, preferably someone who has dated and has had good experience bringing up addiction with women.
I’m not sure if I must be absolutely clean to be successful at managing my problems. I need a partner for Chizuk. I need help finding an accountability partner. I need help with the filters. I need help with implementing effective positive-reinforcement and negative-reinforcement mechanisms, or similar mechanisms, such as TaPHSiC maybe, for example. I need "Recovery Homework", such as "read Chizuk emails for 10 minutes a day" or "arrange to speak with your partner for 15 minutes every day about your progress", etc. Here is how I currently “administer” my “12-step program” or my “recovery model” 1. I decided I want to put temptation as far away from me as possible. I struggle with masturbation, especially doing so while watching pornography. 2. I tried to have filtered Internet access, where I don’t know the password. K9 is pretty good. 3. I classify all activities one could do as either productive, not productive, or counter-productive activity – a productive activity is something that adds positivity. It makes one functional and ultimately happy. A non-productive activity doesn’t add positivity but also doesn’t add negativity, or the negativity is minimal. A counter-productive activity is negative – it makes one dysfunctional and ultimately unhappy. Examples of positive activities are trimming one’s nails, taking a showering, doing dishes, washing laundry, eating dinner, exercising, taking out the garbage, working for money, shopping, etc. Examples of counter-productive activities are usually engaging in the addiction or placing oneself at high risk for engaging in the addiction. High risk behaviors that have led me to masturbate, with or without porn, or, in some cases, lack of behavior, include: not having a filter on a computer, touching one’s privates when urinating or in the shower, unless it’s absolutely necessary, being upset or depressed about something so I feel a need to relieve stress, not being tired enough to easily fall asleep, due to not getting enough exercise, lying down randomly in my bed in the middle of the day, focusing on a sexual fantasy, instead of trying to let go of it, etc. My goal is that every time I feel tempted to engage in an addictive behavior that instead I do something else on my list that I know is productive. Then there’s praying to Hashem, which you can always do. I think if I can push off the addictive activity for long enough for the temptation to go away, then I’m well on my way to managing things well. Because if I can push it off once, I can push it off again. I can push it off as many times as I need to. I'm not sure what activities are "non-productive". If listening to music, meditating, and sleeping, for example, rejuvenate me and make me more functional, I consider those productive activities.
I should probably so through literature from SA each day to help guide my management / recovery.
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16 Jun 2017 20:50
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Workingguy
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Working,
While much of what you say makes sense, I do think that you were taking one side or a narrow view of the picture from a Jewish perspective. There are reviews all over the map with introduction of thought as to whether one should or should not stay away from sexuality, but for example, one thought that comes to mind is that the Gemara says about desire that you should push it away with the right and draw it close with the left.
The Rambam says that sexual sensation is an embarrassment to us. The Ramban says that someone can become a naval birshus Hatorah. The Gemara says that having intimacy is like paying your debt to your wife. And it goes on and on.
Yes, it says ברצון שניהם ובשמחתם but the actual simple reading even for a non-attic is that a person should be very concerned that even his natural normal healthy desire for his wife can easily go off the rails to fulfill his own desires. That doesn't mean he has to have guilt about his desires, and it doesn't mean that he isn't entitled to have relations with his wife in a way that is pleasurable for him.
But ultimately, even for normal healthy people, we call these matters inyanei kedusha. Kedusha always indicates some level of holding back from indulging.
So even what you're saying, and even for non addicts or recovered people, has to be put through a huge filter. Of course a person shouldn't be ascetic at his wife's expense, OR if he's not holding there, but the baseline assumption of chazal is that while a woman is obligated to her husband and that technically (Even Haezer 25) he can do almost whatever he wants, siman 240 in Orach Chayim tells a very different story. How we reconcile those is a long sugya.
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16 Jun 2017 20:00
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workingmyprogram
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My post was definitely meant for people who have recovery and sobriety. Those that are struggling with active addiction are naturally going to view their sex drive as their worst enemy and try and take extreme measures to bring it under control or destroy it entirely (which they may very well need to do in the beginning). But as we get healthy and grow up, and hopefully stop seeing the world as so damn black and white, we see that moderation and balance is key. This means that we can even enjoy sexual pleasure as long as it's in the right context. For someone that is so used to misusing sexual pleasure and can't separate the idea of sexual pleasure from porn, prostitutes, etc...., this sounds blasphamous.
To the person who thinks that by being allowed to enjoy sexual pleasure with their wife is a heter to become a "menuval berishus hatorah", I hope you're kidding, but if you're not, my post was not meant for you. G-d wiling as you get more recovery and mental health you'll be able to relate to sexual pleasure in a healthy way.
To address what to practically do when feeling a sexual desire towards someone other than your wife, why can't you just keep doing what's been working for you while incorporating what I said? Just because I'm giving advice regarding one perception that I think is useful to incorporate, doesn't mean that all the other tools can get thrown out. Keep doing what works. Make phone calls, go to meetings, go to therapy, exercise, pray, etc... There is NO one magic bullet. There is no NO single midah or action that if only we changed we would be happy and sober forever. There is a myriad of negative attitudes and actions that we need work on, and G-d willing over time (yes we're in it for the long haul, there is no quick fix) we will be healthy enough to regain control over ourselves and enjoy a sober healthy life.
No need to get defensive over my critique of ONE area of SA. No program is perfect, including dare I say it, GYE. But in healthy sober life, we don't throw out the baby with the bathwater. We can disagree with something and still not reject it completely because overall it has value. I'm only speaking from experience with SA. If you're experience is different, great. I've noticed a lot of differences among different meetings so it doesn't surprise me that within the same group people can have very different experiences.
I might stop posting on the forum because it seems that my advice is geared more towards those that have recovery, while those that don't seem to be taking what I'm saying the wrong way. I don't want to cause these people more harm than good.
Good Shabbos.
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16 Jun 2017 17:32
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Workingguy
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An obvious point is that there is a difference between desire and lust. Lust is a strong animal based urge, to oversimplify. Mitzvos are about channeling and elevating natural desires, not about taking animal urges and just putting them in a permitted context.
So eating is a normal desire, and we elevate with brachos and seudas of Mitzvah. But to pig out ok kosher food is not elevating.
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16 Jun 2017 14:00
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eslaasos
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I'm following this discussion with bated breath - maybe I'll finally find a heter to be a menuval birshus hatorah. (sarcasm intended)
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16 Jun 2017 13:42
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GrowStrong
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cordnoy wrote on 16 Jun 2017 13:15:
Although what gevura writes is נכרים דברי אמת, I do hear a flip side that if one is seriously workin' a program from within and that is his hishtadlus (and it is an effective one), a filter may be counterproductive.
Again, not always.
Again, not for all people.
Again, I'm not advisin' or suggestin'.
But for some, not havin' a filter might not be regarded as bein' "irresponsible."
This (like many things I write) might simply be the words of a manipulative, self-centered, egotistical, lust addict (and one with a bias).
I have to admit i feel a lot more 'empowered' without a filter.
Being powerless over lust means that i am powerless if i start drinking. As long as I don't take the first sip I can get to step 11 and pray for the power at all times to carry out and know Hashem's Will.
As a Jew, Gods Will is not such a mystery. its specified in halacha.
It includes not searching for or looking at things that are driven by lust.
Having said that, if i started to act in ways that were counter productive to my sobriety then i would place more filters.
But a filter never stopped me from acting out before. And thats the key here..
For me, stopping to act out has to come from inside, and not outside.
That means not placing myself in places I should not be, or searching for things i shouldn't search or looking at things i shouldn't look at. I need to know where i get triggered and keep away from them. And if i HAVE to go somewhere i need to have all the tools available to me to get through it.
f an open computer was triggering for me i would have had to deal with that, and if it ever becomes a trigger I will have to deal with it.
Focusing on dealing with my negative character traits and building a positive emotional sobriety and beginning the journey of reconnecting to God in a more personal way have been key to not 'acting out' for me.
I am not the case that anyone here should go by. Most people here do not work 'online' nor have any reason to be in front of an unfiltered device.
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