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Today 19:34

daverose2

Hi im so sorry about your fall it. Most def makes you feel like garbage. I have been there pretty recently after 8 clean weeks but bh I didnt let it get to me. Bh 3 weeks later Im going strong. You must realize that just because you fell it doesnt mean that all was for nothing. For me on the contrary I only realized how much I hate this addiction and how I dont want or enjoy this anymore, after I fell. And once you get out of the initial bad feeling after a fall there is so much to learn from how to prevent what happened from happening again.
so pls get back in the game feel good about all the success and dont focus ONLY on the negative. And pls continue posting and giving chizzuk to all of us here!!

Wishing you the best of luck going fwd!!
20 Jul 2025 11:59

BenHashemBH

mesayinoso wrote on 18 Jul 2025 13:39:
BH! Day 5.
I won't be able to post again till Sunday, so giving an update now.
Still need some help with unobjectifying woman, where can I find a shiur/article about that?

But my main struggle is when I get into bed at night and I want to go back to my useless and unhelpful, yet addictive, pacifier of M.
I lay there and I'm arguing with myself:
Me A- I need this to help me fall asleep.
Me B- No I don't, I'm just used to doing it.
Me A- Ok maybe I don't NEED it but I really want to, it feels good.
Me B- It only feels good for those few seconds, and then I feel like garbage after cuz I can't control myself.
Me A- forget the after, right now it will feel good, and then you can go to sleep. 
Me B- But I'm not really doing it for those few seconds, I'm doing it to make you, Me A, go away and stop bothering me
Me A- Ok so do it already!
Me B- but you're only gonna go away temporarily for tonight, you'll be right back tomorrow, if not 10 minutes later, and you're gonna leave me to deal with myself feeling like I'm not in control, unhappy, far from hashem and my wife.
Me A- You're overthinking it, just do it! it feels good!
Me B- No! Go away! I hate you! Hashem help!
Me A-....I'm still here...

And repeat

Somehow I BH didn't do it last night, but how is this supposed to work long-term? When will Me A stop piping up? The fight is exhausting.

Your struggling brother, MesayinOso

Shalom Chaver,

Try mentally reviewing your reasons for stopping while not in the makom nisayon - even better to write them down. Come up with an image or mantra, or both and tie it to those thoughts. Review it to strengthen the connection. When you are in the makom nisayon, don't get into the argument right then, summon your image or mantra as many times as needed to silence the other voice without giving space for answers and rationalizations to what you already reaffirmed your position is. "Me A" will quiet down with time. Talk to him when you are both in a calm space, not when he's all excited and you are tired - that may save you some energy.

Hatzlacha

(FYI, I read about imagining the fire burning on the Mizbeach in a shemiras einayim sefer (either Enlighten Our Eyes or Positive Vision), and that's what I use as my image. For a mantra, I say Shivisi Hashem l'Negdi Samid. Whatever holds deep meaning for you will work. It's important to think about it a lot when you are in a healthy space so that it is both easy to call forth and carries enough of an impact when you need it).
18 Jul 2025 16:32

mountainclimb

Hi,

Ever since I was a child I felt like I was different, lesser than other people. I started acting outout, trying to get attention, validation, trying to humanize myself. I got kicked out of class a lot, bullied the gehennom out of. This feeling followed me through adulthood. I kept on not showing up to work because i felt like i was doing a bad job, until I quit altogether, all the meanwhile engaging in diff different forms of PP&M. Sometimes, after i stopped feeling guiIty about it, it made me somehow feel powerful (when there were other people involved) even supernormal sometimes. It also acted to numb the emptiness.

Now, in my current unemployed situation I feel inadequate because my Davening isn't enough, my Torah learning isn't enough, my volunteer chesed isn't enough. My clean days aren't enough. Slowly the void is filling with the mitzvos and the clean days, but I still feel it sometimes.

Can anyone relate?
Category: Break Free
18 Jul 2025 13:39

mesayinoso

BH! Day 5.
I won't be able to post again till Sunday, so giving an update now.
Still need some help with unobjectifying woman, where can I find a shiur/article about that?

But my main struggle is when I get into bed at night and I want to go back to my useless and unhelpful, yet addictive, pacifier of M.
I lay there and I'm arguing with myself:
Me A- I need this to help me fall asleep.
Me B- No I don't, I'm just used to doing it.
Me A- Ok maybe I don't NEED it but I really want to, it feels good.
Me B- It only feels good for those few seconds, and then I feel like garbage after cuz I can't control myself.
Me A- forget the after, right now it will feel good, and then you can go to sleep. 
Me B- But I'm not really doing it for those few seconds, I'm doing it to make you, Me A, go away and stop bothering me
Me A- Ok so do it already!
Me B- but you're only gonna go away temporarily for tonight, you'll be right back tomorrow, if not 10 minutes later, and you're gonna leave me to deal with myself feeling like I'm not in control, unhappy, far from hashem and my wife.
Me A- You're overthinking it, just do it! it feels good!
Me B- No! Go away! I hate you! Hashem help!
Me A-....I'm still here...

And repeat

Somehow I BH didn't do it last night, but how is this supposed to work long-term? When will Me A stop piping up? The fight is exhausting.

Your struggling brother, MesayinOso
17 Jul 2025 22:27

upanddown

yosefthetzadik wrote on 15 Jul 2025 23:26:
TY"H day 6 complete!

I just read like 10 full threads. Ima be honest. Im dead jealous. Im jealous of all the married folks and the emotional support from their wives. How much easier it makes the struggle. How much I crave for a deep emotional connection! 

These wives must be angles, supporting their husbands after confessions of the worst.

I never had an emotional connection with anyone. Not my mother who is sick, not my father who I didn't even know how he looks for 10 years. My emotions have committed suicide many many years ago. Now that I stopped all my numbing, (clean of P 9+ monthes, stopped a few other addictions lately too) oh, how I crave a deep emotional relationship!!! 

P.s. I hope Noone is able to identify me from this post. I held back from sharing more info due to those concerns...

Yosef - My heart goes out to you. I feel your pain. I've also had a very painful childhood (parents are divorced), though nothing compared to yours.
You are a real Tzaddik. The real thing. Hashem has his soldiers scattered around the world, and you are definitely one of them.
And one day you too will be zoiche to a wonderful wife with whom you'll be able to build a deep, emotional connection!! 
Category: Introduce Yourself
17 Jul 2025 07:57

yosefthetzadik

That's a great point Alex94. I totally resonate with the feeling that whatever you choose to forget your pain - even healthy activities, eventually life reminds you that the problem is inside of you and you have to learn to deal with it.

In my previous post, I was referring to my uncontrollable urge to surf the GYE for hours on end, wasting large fractions of my day trying to find that story that will make me cry again, feel that empathy, connect to the emotions. 

After my first post, all the replies. That feeling that someone out there you don't know is there for you, has your back.

I wake up in the morning, the first thing I do is check if someone replied to my post. Liked my post. Through out the day I always have the Urge to procrastinate and waste hours on hours scrolling through the forums.

Oh, how I wish I didn't get addicted!                                        
:pinch: Warning: Spoiler!
Category: Break Free
16 Jul 2025 22:12

yosefthetzadik

Oh, how I remember that first hit. The first time I used it. That sheer dopamine rush. The excitement. The illusion that someone was really there for me. The lie that this was good. That knockoff paradise.

It numbed my pain. Made me forget reality. That moment—intense pleasure surging through my body, making everything seem better. I kept chasing it, trying to recreate that first high, that euphoria. But I never could.

So I searched for more. More intense escapes. More fake intimacy. More phony vulnerability. More counterfeit love. False closeness. Illusionary pleasure. Imaginary connection. Deceptive happiness.

I wish I’d never felt it. Then maybe I wouldn’t be addicted. Wouldn’t feel the pull to go back.

The urge to get more. A bigger hit. A deeper shock.Just to dull the pain, waste more time…That illusion of connection.Of being cared for. Of finally letting myself out. Of living in that fantasy world—a place that existed only in my mind.

It erased the pain. Made me forget the sorrow.The inner chaos—The trauma. The guilt. The shame...

Oh, how I wish I had never gotten addicted…

To posting on the GYE forum!
Category: Break Free
16 Jul 2025 14:44

mesayinoso

Here goes:

I grew up- like most of us- without any education on the topic of M.

Although with Shmiras Anayim a lot of “Don’t look”.

So I didn’t look for a while, I treated it like the same way I don’t wear Shatnez, I don’t look at pritzus.

I didn’t really have any drive for it (at least not that I noticed) until 11 grade (!).

I remember in 9th grade being with some friends and hearing them talk about what they saw/had to not look at in movies or on the street and in the store or mall.

They were saying how it’s so hard not to and so pleasurable to look.

I was really confused and thought “these guys are all insane, do they also eat Cheeseburgers?! And wear Shatnez?!” Like, it’s Assur, so don’t do it. (You can laugh, looking back- It’s pretty funny)

Sometime in the end of 10th grade I was laying in bed in a weird position and was MZ”L by mistake, I still had no idea what it was.

After doing it a few more times over the next few days I put some things I had learnt together in my head and realized this was an Aveira. But it was not such an issue yet as I didn’t feel compelled to do it.

A few months later (Sometime in 11th Grade) I was out with some friends and passed by a not very modest billboard, the same type I had passed countless times in the past and had just completely ignored, the same way I ignored McDonalds.

But this time I wanted to look at it, really badly. I quickly looked away but was really shaken up.

I thought “What’s wrong with me? I learn literally all day and I want to look at something so low?!”

I basically started avoiding going out unless I had to cuz I was so scared.

After this happened a few times and I realized this was something I had to figure out/deal with, I went over to a Rebbi that I trusted.

I told him this whole background, and BH the first thing he did was to tell me that I’m normal.

But, when I asked him how to deal with it, he said to learn more in general and more Mussar in particular. So I did.

After a while of trying this, I came back to him and told him that I was pretty much learning with my every waking moment, and then being MZ”L at least 2 times a week, despite the fact that I was staying in Yeshiva all day to avoid seeing triggering things.

He was a little at a loss, which freaked me out.

I tried learning Mussar right before bed, which helped for a bit but then it didn’t.

So I started learning Gemara in my bed so I would be thinking about it while going to sleep…

There were a few more steps I tried, but long story short(ish) it wasn’t working and I thought I was a lost cause.

Then I BH found some books like “Vhaeir Einaynu” and some others.

They helped me a lot with Shmiras Einayim but only a little with M.

I was on and off with M depending on how stressful my life was on any given day.

Sometimes weeks straight without doing it, sometimes weeks straight of pretty much every night.

I stopped taking naps on Shabbos afternoon because I was afraid of acting out.

Fast forward to when I was engaged: still the same although the periods of non-stop were much fewer in between.

I thought “Once I get married, no more M and it will be so easy not to look at anything I shouldn’t”.

Ya, no.

It was easy for a few months, then it wasn’t.

(To clarify: A healthy marriage does definitely help, if you have the right guidance in this fight, which at that point, I didn’t).

At this point I still hadn’t ever looked up anything on purpose.

The transition from that to P had a lot of steps so I won’t bore you with them.

It took about 9 months.

But basically I by mistake realized I had open access, and while playing around with “Lower” levels I almost literally stumbled on P.

I was so shocked, at myself for viewing such a thing, and at the world in general that such a thing even existed.

Around the same time- Maybe a month or 2 before, maybe after- I fell much more often to M.

Pretty much every night… I basically gave up on stopping M.

Again, skipping ahead a few steps (Told myself would never watch something like that again, did it a week later and then a month later, spoke to a rebbi of mine, who didn’t really help…etc).

I wasn’t sure if I was really “Addicted” but heard about GYE and checked it out.

I looked around on it (See my previous post) and finally found out about Mentors. Thank you @Eerie for making the Shidduch.

BH since then (about 3ish months ago, I think) I managed to not M for 38 days, which doesn’t sound like much, except when I realized, with Mentor’s Chizuk,  that I hadn’t gone more than a few days without it in the last 8 months, and not more than like 2 weeks in over 6ish years!

Be”H together with my mentor and you incredible people, we’re getting there.

Definitely a long arduous journey ahead, but I can already see the light at the end of the tunnel.

Looking forward to getting to know all of you, at least virtually  

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16 Jul 2025 14:05

davidt

That's actually a really thoughtful question that shows you're thinking analytically about addiction - and you're not entirely off base with your reasoning!

You're right that nicotine replacement therapy (patches, gum, etc.) works by providing the addictive substance (nicotine) in a controlled, less harmful way. The key difference is delivery method - cigarettes give you nicotine plus a rapid "hit" that reinforces the addiction cycle, while patches provide steady levels without that reinforcing spike.

However, sexual addiction is neurochemically more complex than nicotine addiction. It's not just about one chemical like dopamine - it involves multiple neurotransmitter systems (dopamine, serotonin, oxytocin, endorphins) working together in intricate ways. More importantly, it's the process and experience that creates the addictive cycle, not just the chemical reward.

There actually are some medications that affect these brain systems - things like SSRIs that modulate serotonin, or naltrexone which blocks opioid receptors - and they're sometimes used to help with compulsive sexual behaviors. But they're not "replacement therapy" in the same way nicotine patches are.

The deeper issue is that sexual addiction often involves psychological components - escapism, emotional regulation, trauma responses - that can't be addressed with a simple chemical substitute. That's why the most effective approaches tend to be behavioral, therapeutic, and spiritual rather than purely pharmaceutical.

Your analytical thinking is spot-on though - you're just dealing with a more complex system than nicotine addiction!

Category: Break Free
15 Jul 2025 23:26

yosefthetzadik

TY"H day 6 complete!

I just read like 10 full threads. Ima be honest. Im dead jealous. Im jealous of all the married folks and the emotional support from their wives. How much easier it makes the struggle. How much I crave for a deep emotional connection! 

These wives must be angles, supporting their husbands after confessions of the worst.

I never had an emotional connection with anyone. Not my mother who is sick, not my father who I didn't even know how he looks for 10 years. My emotions have committed suicide many many years ago. Now that I stopped all my numbing, (clean of P 9+ monthes, stopped a few other addictions lately too) oh, how I crave a deep emotional relationship!!! 

P.s. I hope Noone is able to identify me from this post. I held back from sharing more info due to those concerns...
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15 Jul 2025 19:44

thompson

goldfish wrote on 15 Jul 2025 19:11:
Hi. I don't know much about the workings of addiction and there is clearly something I am missing here, but I recently noticed people taking supplements of caffeine and of nicotine to help them get away from their addictions to coffee and smoking. I read the packet of the nicotine supplements and it claimed that it was a healthy way to get the nicotine without the "hit" thereby reducing the dependency, or something like that. If so, there should be a supplement for dopamine, or whatever other chemical the body gets when I fornicate, thereby reducing the need for the actual women in the story. Which bit am I missing?
Thanks.

Dopamine isn't exclusive to fornicating (great choice of word there). You get it when you eat highly palatable food (that's why it's hard to quit junk). It's your brain's way of saying, "This is good, I want more of this." It's the natural pleasure reward system.

Smokers get a dopamine hit when they smoke. Porners get a hit when they porn. Unlike nicotine, it's not something you can take; it's the brain's response to an experience it learned is pleasurable.

The path you're looking for is retraining your brain to recognize other (healthy) activities as pleasurable, and release dopamine for a good workout, learning, etc.

The challenge is that sexual activity is, by design, highly dopaminergic (it feels great with almost no effort), so it can be very hard to get your brain to climb down from that ladder and learn to enjoy other things.

Basheferspeed.
Category: Break Free
15 Jul 2025 19:11

goldfish

Hi. I don't know much about the workings of addiction and there is clearly something I am missing here, but I recently noticed people taking supplements of caffeine and of nicotine to help them get away from their addictions to coffee and smoking. I read the packet of the nicotine supplements and it claimed that it was a healthy way to get the nicotine without the "hit" thereby reducing the dependency, or something like that. If so, there should be a supplement for dopamine, or whatever other chemical the body gets when I fornicate, thereby reducing the need for the actual women in the story. Which bit am I missing?
Thanks.
Category: Break Free
14 Jul 2025 21:05

yosefthetzadik

This was my actual first message 3+ years ago:"I need help, I certainly fulfill the criteria of addiction, but I am not married, and that might be a reason why I am addicted, I have no other outlet for sexual urges other then this, and would rather be addicted to porn then have sex before marriage (this has always been my assumption, maybe I'm wrong).Please help Me out...."

Beginning of GYE reply:
"HiI'm sorry to hear about your struggles and we are here to help BE"H.My first question to you is what made you come to the conclusion that you fulfill the criteria of addiction?Second of all, your assumption that addicted to porn is better than having sex before marriage is just a rationalization but not a healthy approach. Especially if you do suffer from addiction, you need to realize that addiction is the “diabetes” of the spiritual world. It is a cunning, progressive, dangerous disease."

Then came the message from the previous post.
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14 Jul 2025 20:55

yosefthetzadik

Just found the following Chat. A message i sent to GYE more then 3 Years ago....

"The reason I think I might be addicted is because I fulfill three (not all) out of the few criterias for addiction as mentioned in the handbook, I also fulfill the criteria for general smartphone addiction, I see you mentioned the idea of other physical activity to train the reward system instead, I would love to do that, but sadly I've been suffering from depression for quite a few years now, and doing even simple thing that I once enjoyed comes as a burden.Forget about the porn addiction for a moment, I believe that if I truly wanted I could give up porn for the rest of my life, I think the issue is more of a masturbation addiction, as I can't see myself overcoming that, also even if I do give up porn, and masturbation-once I'm married, I'm concerned that I'll want my wife to be available every night and she won't be up for more then once a week for example, and I'm also concerned about what to do when she won't be pure....
Please help me!"
GYE answerd:Would you like a phone conversation with an expert? There's a great GYE mentor who has a lot of experience with these issues, he's a fantastic fellow and he's willing to help. You can reach him at 9292620939 or at michelgelner@gmail.com.

This was in May 2023. I sent i message to HHM, but sadly, I never actually spoke to him.

I just found this for the first time since... For me, the craziest part is that I knew back then that I can give up P easily, as I ended up doing 9 months ago... Time flies.... In 3 years, I'll be looking back at this whole thread, laughing my heart out...
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14 Jul 2025 14:41

davidt

dove1 wrote on 14 Jul 2025 09:51:
Hello. 

I’ve recently discovered this app. 

I’ve been using P&M for about the last 7 years. It’s been a huge weight on my shoulders that has been slowly pushing me further and further onto the ground. I became more connected to Torah and Hashem about two years ago and since then, while my whole life has changed after seeing the incredible shining light of HaShems Torah; things have also been getting darker and darker with my addiction. 

this app was a huge help to me and I was doing really well. I had three weeks without any p&m, however when I had a fall last week, and then subsequently every day since then, I realised that I need to be actively working on things every day and furthermore, with other people because the main reason why I ever started, was because there was a lack of connection and friendship in my life. 

i grew up as quite a mature child. I got on with most of the people in my classes at school, however I would never have a friend close enough to ever talk about deeper topics as I never felt like anyone my age was on that level. I never went to parties and didn’t go round to friends houses much because I didn’t connect with their childish nature. 

To be honest, I still feel very lonely, even though I am privileged to have so many amazing friends and people in my life. However I think my addiction is what is getting in the way as there is a certain block I have with connecting to people, maybe because I feel like I can connect to p&m (unsustainably) or maybe because I feel like this topic is something I could never speak about with anyone. 

im not sure if what I have written is the type of thing I’m supposed to write. And even while writing, I can feel that it’s taking lots of my energy as this is always something I thought I was the only one who struggles with. But I really hope to build real authentic friendships with people and slowly but surely learn to share and let go of more so that I can fulfill my full potential without being weighed down by this heavy burden. 

Thank you for sharing something so deeply personal - I can feel the weight you've been carrying and also the real hope in your words. It takes tremendous courage to open up like this, especially when you've felt so alone with this struggle.

What really stands out to me is your incredible self-awareness. You've identified something so important - that the root of this goes back to feeling disconnected from others, and that P&M became a substitute for real connection. That insight is actually huge and shows you're already on the right path.

It's also powerful that you recognize how your growing connection to Torah and Hashem has brought light into your life, even while this struggle has intensified. Sometimes when we start growing spiritually, these challenges can feel more pronounced because we're more aware of what we truly want for ourselves.

The fact that you had three weeks clean shows you absolutely have the ability to break this pattern. That fall doesn't erase your progress - it's information about what you need to strengthen moving forward.

You mentioned feeling like you could never talk about this with anyone, but you just did. Right here, right now, with people who truly understand what you're going through. That block you feel in connecting with others? It starts breaking down when you realize you're not the only one carrying this burden. Your desire to build authentic friendships and share more of yourself is beautiful. As you work on recovery, you'll likely find that the walls that keep you from connecting with others start coming down naturally.

You wrote exactly what you were supposed to write. This is exactly the kind of sharing that leads to healing and real connection.

What feels like the most important next step for you right now?

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