Ok so based on Codrnoy's suggestion I have waited to respond and decided to sleep over it.

Watson,

I still strongly believe that you are not denying any bit of my argument. True the data you provided suggestes that fighting was not what helped you succeed in get ridding of lust. But without fighting you would not have joined SA, Yes you fought for two yrs and never turely got rid of your problem but it brought self awareness and determination that the status quo is no good. Many of us have dobe this for years and always thought hey this just prt of our life lets just move on and live with it. Fighting taught you & me that its not OK to live a life like this. We can do better.

In a nutshell fighting was NOT a means in itself of winning over lust. But it did succeed and geeting you to join SA.

Ok so based on Codrnoy's suggestion I have waited to respond and decided to sleep over it.

Watson,

I still strongly believe that you are not denying any bit of my argument. True the data you provided suggestes that fighting was not what helped you succeed in get ridding of lust. But without fighting you would not have joined SA, Yes you fought for two yrs and never turely got rid of your problem but it brought self awareness and determination that the status quo is no good. Many of us have dobe this for years and always thought hey this just prt of our life lets just move on and live with it. Fighting taught you & me that its not OK to live a life like this. We can do better.

In a nutshell fighting was NOT a means in itself of winning over lust. But it did succeed and geeting you to join SA.

mike dupont wrote:


Don't stop on page 1 and you won't get that false impression.

waydown wrote:


And if the good doctor should happen to find some time free from his practice and Sherlock has nothing pressing on his plate today and he will respond, my suggestion for today remains the same.

Dr. Cordnoy,

Or perhaps Rabbi Dr. (Anyone who succeeded in tackling lust deserves the rabbi!)

You are one confusing guy! One day you tell me I am on the right path. I got the concept of powerless etc.. The next day no I will never succeed unde rmy approach.

More generally so are we suggesting that the only way put is SA?

And the 21 prinicples seem to concide with my thoughts paricullary that itsa battle combined with the SA powerless methods that are taught. Below is just one example.

guardyoureyes.com/the-gye-program/the-30-principles/21-principles-for-the-struggle/item/principle-5?category_id=279

Here is another link about joining SA.

guardyoureyes.com/tools/live-groups

I am sorry I know Cordnoy wants me to shut up already but one more thought. I will get killed for this one.

Say one never gets rid of lust but learns how to properly deal with it in a way that a non addict would. Is that so bad? So say one does act out once every month or two months. Is it an averio? Yes. Should he do that? No. But is his life still unbearable? I don't think so. If there is anything I have experineced thus far I would say the following. Once I choose to battle my lust, I no longer find it to be a struggle that sits on me the whole day. Rather it pipes up from time to time. (I no longer need to feed my lust every other minute of my working day. I am much calmer.). My life is defintley wihtout question more manageable. Yes its risky. I am an addict. When that lust does creep up I may not just slip I may get sucked back into the pit. So work is definitley needed. But just to say that fighting it is worthless??? I just don't see it that way.

waydown wrote:


Yep!

Where da Hell is my Desert Eagle when I need it?

waydown wrote:


That's because I'm not fighting you.

Hatzlacha raba my friend. I'll repeat that I'm not giving advice, I'm just asking you to keep an open mind.

And that's my GYE posting done for a long while.

Kesiva vechasima tova to you all.

Watsin may you have a kesiva vchasima tova and a gut gebnetchda holy and kedushdika yr. I envy you and your sechar at yom hadin this yr will be great!