dov done!
wrote it with my own hands in paper.

waiting for orders

laagvokeles wrote on 23 Jun 2011 20:02:


1) Take pictures of each page
2) Click on the members button above and send the images as a PM to the first 500 members on the list
3) We will get back to you over the next week with a full analysis.

Have a wonderful Shabbos, and congrats on talking the first step.  Hopefully the next step will go quicker.  But hey, if you want to be good, you got to start somewhere.  Continued hatzlacha

if you name starts with a Z or a U the chances of getting those scans are pretty low...

seriously speaking, Laag, i am very happy for you that you are moving forward. and you couldn't have gotten a better mentor than Dov.

have a great Shabbos!

the only problem is that dov is preety bussey.... i have to wait sooooooooooooo long till he answers.....

any way im not sure i started to be good already... im only 5 days clean AND I AM WATCHING HOLLYWOOD MOVIES WITH SEX SCENNES.... (no official porn)
i dont have a filter yet....

so i gess im just lucky.....

laagvokeles wrote on 24 Jun 2011 16:58:


Sounds great.  If I recall, you're supposed desire to watch Hollywood movies was for the action and excitement.  So in the privacy of you own home, if you're going to watch them anyways why don't you try and look away by the sex scenes.  You don't have to be embarrased we won't tell anyone.

Have a wonderful Shabbos

great point!
lets see what happens!
(by the way i think rav falk dosnt let skirts that are to tight, should i look away too.... whats gonna be left from the all movie... ;D )

בעזרת ד' נעשה ונצליח

laagvokeles wrote on 24 Jun 2011 17:37:


If you think that looking at tight skirts will trigger you, then yes you should try to look away from that too.

Wow! My Shabbos is made. You are doing it. Keep it up!  Can you feel some small measure of pride, yet?

Dear La'ag,

Cant write much now, real life here at home is really busy erev Shabbos, but I laughed my head off (out loud) when I read about your movies just now! It really is funny for me a program guy, and one day you will understand if you dont right now. I am not laughing at you, at all - not even a drop. Just laughing about our disease, and I see myself in your words!!

You are great. Strange, but great.

Drop the movies for the next week. And the ikkar is to find a chevra or at least another safe person you can share your writing with (keep iy safe from other eyes in the meantime!). That is your next job.

Yidden it is good to be sober!

dov!
please!
you dont seem to get that "clean movies" are my only entertainement (please ppl dont suggest entertainements, thanks)

so why should i give it up? why?
is it impossible to watch a sex scenne in a action movie, and not go watch porn and masturbate? i hope its posible... i managed a few days already even i watched...

tell me that it is a עת לעשות לד and let me.....

Na'aseh v'nishma' old lady...

Unless ur from b'ney aisav or yishmael. Then I understand why u can't do what's right..

I mean, u need to entertain urself in the old age home.. Right?

I PM'd you, but will repeat it here. I did not say you need to give up the movies. All I said was for this week, take a break from them, that's all, just to clear your head a little from the noise. JUST for a week. No tricks.

If and when you decide to drop them, it will not be from me, that's for sure. It'll be from you for your own good and will not feel like a big sacrifice. The rules that others put on you, usually backfire with worse troubles. You have enough work right now.

Easy does it.

from all the movies in the world, i had to fall on a french movie was more naked than dressed , it made it really hard for me, but somehow i managed.

its funny, but meanwhile im managing to behave towards masturbation, as you act when you are in a diet; you know the stake is delicious, and u know you can not eat it, but for some reason you find your self in front of a wonderfool stake, and u remember how good it is and how much you would enjoy it if you eat it, but no... you can not, you gotta loose weight, you gotta drop down the colesterol.... so you hold your self back, and after a while, after you live the restaurant you calm down and you are happy with a mandarine (wife....? ;D )......

do i have to explain the nimshal.....?

the only thing that scares me is if i mix in "mistics" if i mix in hashem, cause its hard for me to believe that the yetzer hara dosnt have a "anti diet" technic.....

but meanwhile im not doing it with hashem ( עפרא לפומי) so i am not very worried.....

laagvokeles wrote on 19 Jun 2011 21:16:


dov wrote on 26 Jun 2011 04:33:


laagvokeles wrote on 27 Jun 2011 21:48:


Did I miss something in this story.  I thought you are following Dr. Dov. 

laagvokeles wrote on 27 Jun 2011 21:48:


Laag, I'll let the good doctor explain it to you, but this notion that the 12-steps does not involve Hashem comes from a misunderstanding of the 12-steps (probably has to do with the fact that although you have a lot of opinions about the steps, I don't think you have any clue what they are).  Suffice it to say, Hashem (or whoever you believe in as your Higher Power) is a big part of the 12-steps.  The difference is, that whereas in the past we tried to direct Hashem how our recovery should go with the steps its the other way around.  But as Dov says:

dov wrote on 26 Jun 2011 04:33:

i understood that dov only recomended not to watch for this week, but i dont have to stop, and i also think is to much for me....

12 steps can a goi with no yirat shamaim do it? than me too....