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A BLEEDING SOLDIER 25 Dec 2024 05:06 #427921

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After looking around for a short while I decided to write my own story too. It may be a little too long but its written to tell my tale of almost six years…

Just to start by bringing out my hakoras hatov to @iwlr and @minhamayim… for the life-saving phone calls and the fact that I am here today… only hashem can repay them for all the help.

It started when I was in 12th grade and I'll never forget this, I was dorming then and I dialed a Verizon 800 number what turns out to have been a wrong number, which took me to a promotion scam… which was really a v'idas znus phone line. I jumped when I first heard it but with all the shock I was in, I went straight down with it. I don’t remember what exactly happened but all I know is that it was the start of a long journey. In the beginning it obviously was not so often but as time passed it got more often and I got to figure out more numbers and so on. This is how I went on to yeshiva and this is how I went on to Eretz Yisroel. (I am reminded of a rare shl"sh schmooze of my r"m how 3 second look could result in shaul tachtis and I thought nobody probably understands and believes besides me). Like most of you probably I had better times and worse times, I think I even managed for a few months at certain times but overall I always spent time with this.

At one point I came home for bein hazmanim and I got hold of an unfiltered flip phone and… I ended going straight down with it. This ended up happening during a few bein hazmanim periods of which I blocked or broke that phone at the end or in middle of bein hazmanim. As I imagine was by most or the rest of you I made all types of kabboles and gedorim but nothing ended up with a long term result. (The truth is that I once called gye but the system sounded way too strange for me.) At some point when I was in Eretz Yisroel it got even further then a phone or p and m… I was obviously shaken up but I just didn’t see a way out. Every struggle and e-hatzlacha I had was blamed on this and every time I did teshuva, davened, cryed or said tehilim it was almost all with this sugya in mind, but I still couldn't see my way out. Every compliment or accomplishment was thrown off, 'I wish' or 'if only you would know' and the similar were all that I thought about. I live with the thought of 'because of the avieres I messed up on the sugya' and if I did get somewhere 'imagine where I could have gotten' and that’s what it was in gashmiyes too.  (I do remember now how I would win the battle once or more when I was in the middle of a hard sugya with the thought that I’ll never have any hatzlacha if I’ll be doing such aveiros but the other times it started the opposite and it was a cycle of falls in kedusha and basic issues one bringing the other…) but being honest I would blame most battles on just wanting..  But all the guilt and feelings never got me out of the mud. So many hachlotes and so many sacrifices were made, so many times did I scream 'hashem I can't anymore' 'don’t you see what's going on? 'why are you giving me these nisyoinos if you see I can't make it' but I am still in the same place and even worse, it's just that nothing seemed to work. It’s an unbelievable feeling of literally siting under a mountain of rock and mud with the worst avieres trying to climb out with no success.

And when I did win the fight, I had the other set of thoughts jump in 'why do I feel so depressed even after not giving in?' 'I was moiser nefesh this time hashem send me some type of simen' and on top of all were the waves of thoughts 'how can I pretend to be a ben torah with this secret? 'how can I deceive everyone I know that I am sitting and learning when it's not worth anything?

Bh I came back to America to BMG and I saw the sign hanging. A sign of hope that hopefully has and will continue to change my life. From the first time I saw it till the phone call was a while and I don’t know how much I believed it have an effect but bh I was so wrong. @Iwlr has walked me the first steps and a new light started shining in this dark narrow alleyway. I got in touch with @minhamayim which took me on a ride and on the highest roller coaster ever emotionally. I am still a bit dizzy and spinning but I feel like I am being pulled out if the ocean.

I am close to hitting 30 days now. It's not for the first time but I am very hopeful that’s it’s the last time. And its all from these relationships I leaned of that are keeping me going, and I ask you all to help me and not let go of me and to be mechazek me, this time before I can fall again.

Re: A BLEEDING SOLDIER 25 Dec 2024 11:24 #427928

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חיילהקבה wrote on 25 Dec 2024 05:06:

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I live with the thought of 'because of the avieres I messed up on the sugya' and if I did get somewhere 'imagine where I could have gotten' and that’s what it was in gashmiyes too.  (I do remember now how I would win the battle once or more when I was in the middle of a hard sugya with the thought that I’ll never have any hatzlacha if I’ll be doing such aveiros but the other times it started the opposite and it was a cycle of falls in kedusha and basic issues one bringing the other…) but being honest I would blame most battles on just wanting..  But all the guilt and feelings never got me out of the mud. So many hachlotes and so many sacrifices were made, so many times did I scream 'hashem I can't anymore' 'don’t you see what's going on? 'why are you giving me these nisyoinos if you see I can't make it' but I am still in the same place and even worse, it's just that nothing seemed to work. It’s an unbelievable feeling of literally siting under a mountain of rock and mud with the worst avieres trying to climb out with no success.

And when I did win the fight, I had the other set of thoughts jump in 'why do I feel so depressed even after not giving in?' 'I was moiser nefesh this time hashem send me some type of simen' and on top of all were the waves of thoughts 'how can I pretend to be a ben torah with this secret? 'how can I deceive everyone I know that I am sitting and learning when it's not worth anything?
.........


Hi and welcome to the forums!!
Thank you for sharing this expressive first post! I love your honesty and determination. 
And boy do I relate to everything you wrote. Especially the many thoughts that go around in your/our brain all day... It's important though to differentiate between the thoughts that are trying to bash your confidence and get you to give up - those can be immediately disregarded as they come straight from the YH - and the type of thoughts which are 'constructive criticism', which can be really helpful in motivating us to become better, more genuine Yidden. It's not an easy avoida. I struggle with it alot.

Wishing you tons of Hatzlacha!!
30 days is a massive achievement (just imagine the amount of times you have said 'No'). Keep going and keep us posted!

Stay strong,
UpAndDown
My favourite resources:
1. "זאת בריתי". hebrewbooks.org/56572 (PM me for a sharper version)
2. "שערי גדולה". hebrewbooks.org/48344
3.  guardyoureyes.com/ebooks/item/the-battle-of-the-generation

My journey: Emunah struggles, Celebrating a fall, I'm fed up(main thread), I'm drowning, Tips for Shmiras Einayim.

Re: A BLEEDING SOLDIER 25 Dec 2024 12:23 #427930

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Welcome Tzadik to the warmest family. Your journey reflects the pain of one whose been isolated by the YH, unable to share his secrets with others, left to stew in feeling of worthlessness and hypocrisy. My friend, you've come to the right place. For many of us, half the battle is breaking the wall of shame that surrounds us. This battle is so much easier to fight when in the company of others. The good people here will understand you and have compassion, the deepest connections are formed by brothers on the battlefield. Please understand, that you're not a bleeding soldier, rather a fighting one that's fighting a valiant battle in an elite force. You're going against your nature and coming out of secrecy in order to fight this monster. There are so many people out there that are in pain and bleeding, not doing anything about it. You however, have taken the initiative, to respond to those to those hanging signs, something that couldn't have been easy. You are being trained as a fighter by two of our top generals, heroes with lots of experience, and my guess is it won't be that long until you are able to break free and help others.
Feel free to email me at amevakesh23@gmail.com
Last Edit: 25 Dec 2024 16:25 by amevakesh.

Re: A BLEEDING SOLDIER 25 Dec 2024 14:32 #427934

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Welcome to the GYE family. What a heartfelt first post! So glad you're joining our ranks; it's IYH the beginning of the rest of your life. If you're speaking to @iwlr and @minhamayim, you're in good hands! And אשריך for nearing 30 days, that's amazing!



Much hatzlacha,

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"Comparison is the thief of joy" - also Theodore Roosevelt

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Re: A BLEEDING SOLDIER 25 Dec 2024 17:25 #427953

Though your story differs from mine, your feeling are exactly what I felt (and sometimes still do)
Waiting for HKB"H to pat us on the shoulder and say "GOOD JOB"
The Steipler ZT"L writes that he will do something like that while sending down a huge Shefa of bracha in inyanai ruchniyes and inyanei gashmius.
He just adds that it will not necessarily be right away, but at a time that HKB"H knows is best.

Thank you for this post! It is very courageous to put it out but the benefits you will see from it will make it worth it.
Keep in touch brother!!

Re: A BLEEDING SOLDIER 25 Dec 2024 20:26 #427965

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Welcome to the forums and nice username

It's been an absolute pleasure getting to know you. I've mentioned to you on the phone and I'll say it here in "public" - the intense teshuka and drive to get yourself out of this struggle is absolutely incredible. Blows me away really. All the hard work you've put in and continue to do will surely help you raise up and out of this stuff. I have high hopes for you and look forward to continue to share in your success.

IWLR
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Re: A BLEEDING SOLDIER 25 Dec 2024 20:52 #427966

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My dear brother!
Welcome to the warmest family in the world!

Here you will find true care, concern, and warmth.
Here you will learn that you CAN break free!
There are many tools here to help you in this fight.
There is the F2F Program, the Vaad Program (click here for an explanation of what the vaad is), and the book The Battle of the Generation - many have found this very helpful in reframing the struggle.


There is also an extremely powerful tool of accountability, friends, and mentors, as has been mentioned, that has helped hundreds - myself included.
HHM - Hashem Help Me - is the mentor-in-chief around here. He's reachable at michelgelner@gmail.com.
Some of the other great guys here are Eerie - 1gimpelovitz@gmail.com, Muttel - muttel15@gmail.com,   Reb Akiva - mevakesh247@gmail.com iwantlife - iwantlifegye@proton.me

Keep posting, you'll see, the oilam is here for you.

Looking forward to seeing great things from you!
And don't forget, as always, KOMT!!

P.S. A friend of IWLR and minhamayim is a friend of mine...
Feel free to reach out and say hi!
proudyungerman@gmail.com
406-219-8398

My Journey:
guardyoureyes.com/forum/19-Introduce-Yourself/406231-The-Real-Me

Re: A BLEEDING SOLDIER 25 Dec 2024 22:55 #427977

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חיילהקבה wrote on 25 Dec 2024 05:06:

After looking around for a short while I decided to write my own story too. It may be a little too long but its written to tell my tale of almost six years…

Just to start by bringing out my hakoras hatov to @iwlr and @minhamayim… for the life-saving phone calls and the fact that I am here today… only hashem can repay them for all the help.

It started when I was in 12th grade and I'll never forget this, I was dorming then and I dialed a Verizon 800 number what turns out to have been a wrong number, which took me to a promotion scam… which was really a v'idas znus phone line. I jumped when I first heard it but with all the shock I was in, I went straight down with it. I don’t remember what exactly happened but all I know is that it was the start of a long journey. In the beginning it obviously was not so often but as time passed it got more often and I got to figure out more numbers and so on. This is how I went on to yeshiva and this is how I went on to Eretz Yisroel. (I am reminded of a rare shl"sh schmooze of my r"m how 3 second look could result in shaul tachtis and I thought nobody probably understands and believes besides me). Like most of you probably I had better times and worse times, I think I even managed for a few months at certain times but overall I always spent time with this.

At one point I came home for bein hazmanim and I got hold of an unfiltered flip phone and… I ended going straight down with it. This ended up happening during a few bein hazmanim periods of which I blocked or broke that phone at the end or in middle of bein hazmanim. As I imagine was by most or the rest of you I made all types of kabboles and gedorim but nothing ended up with a long term result. (The truth is that I once called gye but the system sounded way too strange for me.) At some point when I was in Eretz Yisroel it got even further then a phone or p and m… I was obviously shaken up but I just didn’t see a way out. Every struggle and e-hatzlacha I had was blamed on this and every time I did teshuva, davened, cryed or said tehilim it was almost all with this sugya in mind, but I still couldn't see my way out. Every compliment or accomplishment was thrown off, 'I wish' or 'if only you would know' and the similar were all that I thought about. I live with the thought of 'because of the avieres I messed up on the sugya' and if I did get somewhere 'imagine where I could have gotten' and that’s what it was in gashmiyes too.  (I do remember now how I would win the battle once or more when I was in the middle of a hard sugya with the thought that I’ll never have any hatzlacha if I’ll be doing such aveiros but the other times it started the opposite and it was a cycle of falls in kedusha and basic issues one bringing the other…) but being honest I would blame most battles on just wanting..  But all the guilt and feelings never got me out of the mud. So many hachlotes and so many sacrifices were made, so many times did I scream 'hashem I can't anymore' 'don’t you see what's going on? 'why are you giving me these nisyoinos if you see I can't make it' but I am still in the same place and even worse, it's just that nothing seemed to work. It’s an unbelievable feeling of literally siting under a mountain of rock and mud with the worst avieres trying to climb out with no success.

And when I did win the fight, I had the other set of thoughts jump in 'why do I feel so depressed even after not giving in?' 'I was moiser nefesh this time hashem send me some type of simen' and on top of all were the waves of thoughts 'how can I pretend to be a ben torah with this secret? 'how can I deceive everyone I know that I am sitting and learning when it's not worth anything?

Bh I came back to America to BMG and I saw the sign hanging. A sign of hope that hopefully has and will continue to change my life. From the first time I saw it till the phone call was a while and I don’t know how much I believed it have an effect but bh I was so wrong. @Iwlr has walked me the first steps and a new light started shining in this dark narrow alleyway. I got in touch with @minhamayim which took me on a ride and on the highest roller coaster ever emotionally. I am still a bit dizzy and spinning but I feel like I am being pulled out if the ocean.

I am close to hitting 30 days now. It's not for the first time but I am very hopeful that’s it’s the last time. And its all from these relationships I leaned of that are keeping me going, and I ask you all to help me and not let go of me and to be mechazek me, this time before I can fall again.


You’ve come to the right place. The chevra here give chizuk to each other as we deal with the struggles. I’ve made friends here that I reach out to when I feel I may slip
and fall. Feel free to reach out. Hatzlacha 

Re: A BLEEDING SOLDIER 26 Dec 2024 01:42 #427982

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its okay to feel like your bleeding.

But try to be open to this FACT:

YOU ARE A CHAYAL!!!!

Chayalim put up with very harsh conditions, sleeping for very short stints at a time.
Crawling through mud and the most challenging terrain.
Finally reaching what seems like a safe haven only to be attacked again.
Watching their fellow soldiers shot, wounded and even dying in front of their eyes.
Somehow these Chayalim continue to pick themselves up after all these kinds of setbacks and painful experiences!

YOU, my dear ChayalHKBH, are EXACTLY like that soldier!
you have experienced much pain, failure and setback.
Dealt with Nisyonos of all kinds and seen and experienced wounds and "deaths" on your own person.
Reached places where you thought you'll never be challenged again, only to find yourself upagainst the enemy once again!!

But you have NOT given up!!
You are that Chayal thats "seen it all" but continues fighting through it all!

You are one impressive individual!!

@IWLR and @minhamayim will train you for the marines!
They'll bring you up to the next level!
You'll be able to tread in the freezing water's of the YH,
and fight like the real soldier that you are and are destined to become! 
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