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Re: Paranoia after porn 03 Sep 2024 00:52 #420709

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radiantfox67 wrote on 27 Aug 2024 22:04:

A big issue I face (besides for porn itself) is the fear and resentment I experience after I fall. Please feel free to correct me, but the way I understand it is that I'll either be punished here or in the Next World, and the best I can hope for is being punished here so I can get more Olam Haba, I don't know how teshuva factors in: is it like I never did the sin or does teshuva make it that instead of being punished in Olam Haba I get kapara here? Also even if I have that answer, something that adds to the frustration is how do I even know if my teshuva was mikabel?

Basically all this amounts to me, after falling, walking around with this fear that "Ok great, this is how Gd is gonna get me after what I did". Like for example, let's say I watch p and then I have a flight the next day, it'll probably cross my mind that maybe the flight will go down or something. Or maybe if I'm slated to give a speech, daven for the amud, or go to some social thing, I'll be nervous that Gd will make me mess up somehow or send a shliach to embarrass me so I can get kaparah so I can get more Olam Haba (that's assuming that I like learned a bunch or something so I reason that I deserve kaparah as opposed to just losing some Olam Haba). A big example of this is that I have a semi-major operation coming up and I'm afraid that I've lowered my chances of a successful operation/recovery because I watched so much p recently. (I'm not completely gripped or convinced by this fear, like I'm able to question it, but it is definitely convincing enough to cause distress). Edit to include another way this manifests: Dating. Every time I fall I'm like, "ok, now there's no way I'm gonna get a good girl". Again, not totally taken by this fear, I know on some level its yetzer hara, but is still very bothersome. 

Walking around like this and having this mentality is exhausting and makes me resent Gd. A lot of times it makes me think, "Why don't I just give it up and indulge? Why do I subject myself to this game of cat and mouse? I know people who were religious, and based on rational arguments , are now completely OTD and do whatever they want, why don't I just join them?"

I've heard the answer that its not a game of cat and mouse, and that Gd is not out to get us, rather Gd has provided us with a gym where we're given the opportunity to become ubermenschen, but its not easy to inculcate this answer on an emotional (and therefore day to day) level. I also know that if I did just give it all up and did whatever I wanted I'd be miserable (one reason being the guilt, which itself becomes another source of resenting Gd [You put this guilt in me!] ). I think I've pretty much ultimately concluded in a resigned way that Judaism is my best bet at a great life, I just resent the fact that it is. 

Looking for support and a healthier way of understanding Judaism. 

Also I have OCD so there's that

Sincerely, 

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Dear radiantfox67,

I've just been at Yom Kippur Koton and was thinking of you when saying the words of Kel Molei Rachamim.... the tefilah that we'll be saying so so many times during the next few weeks:
קל מלא רחמים מתנהג בחסידות מוחל עוונות עמו מעביר ראשון ראשון מרבה מחילה לחטאים  וסליחה לפושעים עושה צדקות עם כל בשר ורוח לא כרעתם תגמול
Not just merciful - FULL of mercy!
Not just forgiving - EXTRA forgiving!
לא כרעתם תגמול - He does not give back tit for tat...

I hope this helps you and all of us to put things into perspective... Hashem is definitely not out there to get us, He just wants us to improve.. to become a little bit better, to try our best in our unique situation, and then he'll forgive us for all of our sins and we'll be closer to Him more then ever before!

And I'd like to ad a kneitch: Chazal put this tefilah in our selichos so many times. Why not ונתנה תוקף to be said every Selichos morning? To make us scared and shake us a little?
The answer is poshut... the aim of the game is to get closer to Hashem. This will be much better achieved through תשובה מאהבה... by understanding that Hashem is forgiving and loves us to bits!

Wishing everyone a Gut Chodesh and an enjoyable Elul!
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Re: Paranoia after porn 09 Sep 2024 02:08 #421012

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Hello and welcome Radiantfox67!

First, I want to say it’s amazing you didn’t fall until you were 19.

I see this theme in other posts and it’s sad to me that this is how people view Judaism. It is not a religion of guilt rather a religion of love. We say in the first bracha of shmonei esrei three times a day that Hashem loves us and that why he does so much good for us.

I remember hearing in an analogy in a shuir from Rabbi Orlofsky years ago that stuck with me. A father comes over to his kid and tells him to clean his room. He says if you clean your room I’ll take you out for ice cream, if you don’t I’ll break every bone in your body. We would call social services on such a father and get the child to safety. It can’t be that that is how we view our father in heaven.

I don’t think we know exactly what will be after we die. I hope I will have done enough mitzvos that the angels created by them will be able to protect me from the angels created by the averos I’ve done. We have to do our best but we’re human and will fall and that’s ok. You just have to get back up.

Hashem loves us and wants a relationship with us. Watching porn and masturbating pushes us away from him. Of course, there is an idea of schar veonesh but it can’t be the focal point.

Feel free to reach out to discuss more.

Good luck!

A fellow guy with OCD

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Re: Paranoia after porn 09 Sep 2024 18:13 #421095

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Yosef90 wrote on 09 Sep 2024 02:08:

Hello and welcome Radiantfox67!

First, I want to say it’s amazing you didn’t fall until you were 19.

I see this theme in other posts and it’s sad to me that this is how people view Judaism. It is not a religion of guilt rather a religion of love. We say in the first bracha of shmonei esrei three times a day that Hashem loves us and that why he does so much good for us.

I remember hearing in an analogy in a shuir from Rabbi Orlofsky years ago that stuck with me. A father comes over to his kid and tells him to clean his room. He says if you clean your room I’ll take you out for ice cream, if you don’t I’ll break every bone in your body. We would call social services on such a father and get the child to safety. It can’t be that that is how we view our father in heaven.

I don’t think we know exactly what will be after we die. I hope I will have done enough mitzvos that the angels created by them will be able to protect me from the angels created by the averos I’ve done. We have to do our best but we’re human and will fall and that’s ok. You just have to get back up.

Hashem loves us and wants a relationship with us. Watching porn and masturbating pushes us away from him. Of course, there is an idea of schar veonesh but it can’t be the focal point.

Feel free to reach out to discuss more.

Good luck!

A fellow guy with OCD

yosef90gye@gmail.com


Love it. Always find it interesting how people without anxiety can have that viewpoint of Hashem as a punisher and be perfectly fine with it.
Nothing good grows in the dark. 
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