he's the founder of gye

At first i agreed with you WG but then thinking about it more i think there is a big difference between the two.
Especially at first the habit of touching oneself can be very ingrained for some, and this could lead to a lot of confusion for the 90 days.
INTENTIONAL viewing of porn is different, you already said good bye at some capacity to your brain .
And the reality is that if you are really playing with yourself it isn't going to last too long before it 'finishes', otherwise you will be the one in a thousand lying to themselves.

GrowStrong wrote on 30 Jan 2017 13:09:


GS,

In my reality, it hasn't been that way. Intentional viewing of something like porn or say very inappropriate movie scenes can happen in about four seconds when you're on the computer doing something legit. Touching for me was he start of a real downward spiral that could be without finish for days or weeks.

Sorry for being so graphic. My point is that mindless clicking or surfing where you end up typing something happens so fast at the computer.

Very interesting...
I am in front of an unfiltered computer for 8-14 hours a day (doing legit things) and that has never been my case... there was always a switch that happened that the decision was then made to act out. At that point my brain said goodbye until i was done.
But it was always entirely intentional. It was like an internal debate which I would invariably lose once the discussion began.
Since you reference four seconds, the three second rule is important here!!

GrowStrong wrote on 30 Jan 2017 13:39:

Super that you stay in control but PLEASE get a filter!

Unfortunately just not possible for me BUT the good news is that there was never a filter i couldn't circumvent with some efforts, so im right now more content with surrendering it all.

As for control, the point i was making was that i never had control. Once my brain left the room, i had no control.

And as for control now... OMAAT

just fell     hard

i think whenever my home situation gets a little better i have a urge any ideas 

cordnoy wrote on 30 Jan 2017 12:46:

Sure thing!!

GrowStrong wrote on 30 Jan 2017 14:13:

whats OMAAT?

tzomah wrote on 30 Jan 2017 15:01:

Sorry to hear but life is not over with a fall. Look back at your phenomonal success until now and keep on going! As we climb up the mountain even as we near the peak there are pits, ditches, and downhills that we have to traverse in oreder to reach our goal.

I'm sorry about the fall, but get back up and start again. You are stronger now than before and that will be an advantage for you as it helps you. 
Can you explain what you mean that you have an urge when home is better?

One minute at a time

Hashem Help Me wrote on 30 Jan 2017 16:39:

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hello everyone the last couple of days were a little hard with some near falls i think i was also being a drop to hard on myself decided today to find a heimeshe comp. place instead of a cafe where if i get a urge its a click away
            today i also had an inspiration that i think has a lot to do with my finding gye when i came to yeshiva 
someone asked what chassidim are doing by a rebbe's tish what are they closing their eyes and shaking when he makes kiddush?
          and it hit me why people don't think it's crazy that 1,000's of people can go wild by a concert when some guy stands there singing because it all depends what your connecting to if your connecting to kedusha it will get you going 
          it hit me on the head that by looking at these things i'm connecting to it and if that's what i'm missing then i can connect to something else
      i know this a lot of what's said here but it hit me with such clarity from something outside of this issue 
and i think a lot of people even if it doesn't become an issue with sexual things still don't understand connection 
     thank you gye and everyone here for making this clear bh i feel like i'll be able to fight this now that i'm starting to understand what i'm fighting.

Brilliant tzomah. Do you see that GYE doesn't just straighten out our sexual lives, it straightens out our brains in so many areas! We learn new and healthier and more emes'dik perspectives on life.