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Re: Starting anew. again. 29 Feb 2016 13:31 #279652

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Re: Starting anew. again. 29 Feb 2016 15:04 #279657

Yesod wrote on 29 Feb 2016 06:23:

Bro, when i was a Chosson and i imagine many others on here as well, we didn't even yet realize we had a problem we were dancing our way straight into disaster.

You are on the ball, keep coming back here, and when you smile with folks, smile even a little more because all of us here are cheering you on as well.

Mazal Tov, 

 

So true. After lusting like crazy in Yeshiva for years I thought marriage was going to cure me. And the strange thing is that for a few years I really did stop from acting out, and that just served to prove to me that marriage cured me. But what I didn't realize was that I was still lusting even if I wasn't acting out, and slowly but surely our intimacy fell apart and I eventually landed right back where I came from. So you really are fortunate to be working on this now, and Bez"h it will serve you well once you're married. 
In addition I think you shouldn't be getting down on yourself for struggling with this. There's nothing inherently lowly about the struggle itself, although it does tend to carry a lot of shame and guilt with it. But I believe that as long as you're proactively working on it it's no different than if you had to manage diabetes. 
Mazal Tov! 
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1 day may be too long for me, but I take it OWAAT = One wave at a time, cause the lust comes and goes like a wave which rises and crashes.

Re: Starting anew. again. 29 Feb 2016 15:50 #279661

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Bro, when i was a Chosson and i imagine many others on here as well, we didn't even yet realize we had a problem we were dancing our way straight into disaster.



You are on the ball, keep coming back here, and when you smile with folks, smile even a little more because all of us here are cheering you on as well.



Mazal Tov, 





 




So true. After lusting like crazy in Yeshiva for years I thought marriage was going to cure me. And the strange thing is that for a few years I really did stop from acting out, and that just served to prove to me that marriage cured me. But what I didn't realize was that I was still lusting even if I wasn't acting out, and slowly but surely our intimacy fell apart and I eventually landed right back where I came from. So you really are fortunate to be working on this now, and Bez"h it will serve you well once you're married. 

In addition I think you shouldn't be getting down on yourself for struggling with this. There's nothing inherently lowly about the struggle itself, although it does tend to carry a lot of shame and guilt with it. But I believe that as long as you're proactively working on it it's no different than if you had to manage diabetes. 

Mazal Tov! 


Agree with Yesod. Mazel Tov! This is a very human struggle. Try to have more compassion for yourself as a Bochur growing up in a world that sexual uses everything and where more sexuality is available at one click then other people may have previously experienced in a lifetime. You're working on it, and for that you should be proud.

All the people who are admiring you are also wonderful people with struggles that they wouldn't want you to know about either. Doesn't make them or you not amazing.

Re: Starting anew. again. 29 Feb 2016 17:40 #279674

Mazel Tov of reaching 30!! It is quite an accomplishment.

Re: Starting anew. again. 29 Feb 2016 18:08 #279678

Yesod wrote on 29 Feb 2016 06:23:
Hey Gibor, 

Mazal Tov! and Mazal Tov!

Thats fantastic news.

Bro, when i was a Chosson and i imagine many others on here as well, we didn't even yet realize we had a problem we were dancing our way straight into disaster.

You are on the ball, keep coming back here, and when you smile with folks, smile even a little more because all of us here are cheering you on as well.

Mazal Tov, 

Thank you so much! I appreciate the title gibor and I hopefully will be pumping iron like the real gibbor on this site!
I am uncertain if I am a real gibor.. I have gone this far in the past but failed to stand up to the first wave of lust that hit me. I felt strong but inside I was weak. But even though I don't know if I am zoche to the title yet I know I grew since then because I am trying to make myself aware that I have this weakness.
One thing that I am doing different is that last time even though I had an awareness that I have to work on this parshah, I only had to work on it for some faraway time after marriage when times  become tough again. I didn't see the problem eminent. However this made my progress less consistent and made my awareness fade somewhat and when issues started coming between my father and her parents among other things and I started getting new sexual feelings when I was near my kallah (again even though I struggle with these things I feel I went through dating with her at least conscientiously with out sexual feeling nor using her as a sex object. I was clear headed and even though was attracted to her I didn't broad on it) I became triggered more easily and acted out. 
This time, however, I am telling myself every morning that this might be the day lust hits. What will I do then? I need to prepare for an ambush. I need to internalize what I have been learning on GYE. I prepare myself for what might happen today. But I also am preparing myself for the future.. so I would like to ask you a question Yesod but you dont have to answer it if not relevant: What disaster are you reffering to and why do you think things led there?

 

Re: Starting anew. again. 29 Feb 2016 19:10 #279682

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shmirashachaim wrote on 29 Feb 2016 18:08:


and when issues started coming between my father and her parents 


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Re: Starting anew. again. 29 Feb 2016 19:14 #279683

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 a bit of advice, although you (and many others) probably won't listen:

This struggle of ours, if indeed you are like me and others that we are 'addicted' in some way, and not merely a stronger yetzer hara, has nothin, and I mean nothin' to do with bein' married or not.

I don't know you (as we have verified above), so perhaps you are just a bochur in heat, and then the gettin' married might be precisely what the dr. ordered.

either way, Mazel tov and tremendous hatzlachah
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Re: Starting anew. again. 29 Feb 2016 20:10 #279687

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cordnoy wrote on 29 Feb 2016 19:14:
 a bit of advice, although you (and many others) probably won't listen:

This struggle of ours, if indeed you are like me and others that we are 'addicted' in some way, and not merely a stronger yetzer hara, has nothin, and I mean nothin' to do with bein' married or not.

I don't know you (as we have verified above), so perhaps you are just a bochur in heat, and then the gettin' married might be precisely what the dr. ordered.

either way, Mazel tov and tremendous hatzlachah

It is pretty obvious that getting married "helps" with recovery and against lustful thoughts, we see that in the gemara a few times

("שאינו דומה מי שיש לו פת בסלו למי שאין לו פת בסלו". (יומא דף י"ח ע"מ ב'

And more.

Of course it is not a hospital for lust and getting married shouldn't be for lust or for for pleasure, but it definitely helps with the struggle.

For example, this is not how we should be thinking:

Problem: Lust. Solution: Get married.

Rather it should be this way:

Problem: Lust. Solution: GYE handbook, 12 steps, taphsic, etc... 
In addition to the solution: Get married.

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Re: Starting anew. again. 29 Feb 2016 21:41 #279697

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Mesayin wrote on 29 Feb 2016 20:10:

cordnoy wrote on 29 Feb 2016 19:14:
 a bit of advice, although you (and many others) probably won't listen:

This struggle of ours, if indeed you are like me and others that we are 'addicted' in some way, and not merely a stronger yetzer hara, has nothin, and I mean nothin' to do with bein' married or not.

I don't know you (as we have verified above), so perhaps you are just a bochur in heat, and then the gettin' married might be precisely what the dr. ordered.

either way, Mazel tov and tremendous hatzlachah



It is pretty obvious that getting married "helps" with recovery and against lustful thoughts, we see that in the gemara a few times

("שאינו דומה מי שיש לו פת בסלו למי שאין לו פת בסלו". (יומא דף י"ח ע"מ ב'

And more.

Of course it is not a hospital for lust and getting married shouldn't be for lust or for for pleasure, but it definitely helps with the struggle.

For example, this is not how we should be thinking:

Problem: Lust. Solution: Get married.

Rather it should be this way:

Problem: Lust. Solution: GYE handbook, 12 steps, taphsic, etc... 
In addition to the solution: Get married.

Chazak V'emutz

I am not a rishon, but my understandin' of that gemora is that it is referrin' to the ordinary person, like I wrote above, not for the lust-addicted.
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Re: Starting anew. again. 29 Feb 2016 23:13 #279700

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Mesayin wrote on 29 Feb 2016 20:10:

cordnoy wrote on 29 Feb 2016 19:14:
 a bit of advice, although you (and many others) probably won't listen:

This struggle of ours, if indeed you are like me and others that we are 'addicted' in some way, and not merely a stronger yetzer hara, has nothin, and I mean nothin' to do with bein' married or not.

I don't know you (as we have verified above), so perhaps you are just a bochur in heat, and then the gettin' married might be precisely what the dr. ordered.

either way, Mazel tov and tremendous hatzlachah



It is pretty obvious that getting married "helps" with recovery and against lustful thoughts, we see that in the gemara a few times

("שאינו דומה מי שיש לו פת בסלו למי שאין לו פת בסלו". (יומא דף י"ח ע"מ ב'

And more.

Of course it is not a hospital for lust and getting married shouldn't be for lust or for for pleasure, but it definitely helps with the struggle.

For example, this is not how we should be thinking:

Problem: Lust. Solution: Get married.

Rather it should be this way:

Problem: Lust. Solution: GYE handbook, 12 steps, taphsic, etc... 
In addition to the solution: Get married.

Chazak V'emutz

I had a long talk with Dov about this. Many people have not experienced that gemara as it is expressed. It doesn't mean that it is wrong, it could be a variety of reasons. Dov explained it to me in a vein similar to yeridah l'doros. There are throngs of SA members who only joined after marriage because marriage didn't help them with their lust. Remember that lust and sex are completely different things. If masturbation was muttar I would still have a problem. A sexual outlet is not a cure for someone with a lust problem. (All this is al pi the white book, other 12 step programs would disagree with this).
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Re: Starting anew. again. 01 Mar 2016 03:06 #279734

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shmirashachaim wrote on 29 Feb 2016 18:08:

Yesod wrote on 29 Feb 2016 06:23:
Hey Gibor, 

Mazal Tov! and Mazal Tov!

Thats fantastic news.

Bro, when i was a Chosson and i imagine many others on here as well, we didn't even yet realize we had a problem we were dancing our way straight into disaster.

You are on the ball, keep coming back here, and when you smile with folks, smile even a little more because all of us here are cheering you on as well.

Mazal Tov, 



Thank you so much! I appreciate the title gibor and I hopefully will be pumping iron like the real gibbor on this site!
I am uncertain if I am a real gibor.. I have gone this far in the past but failed to stand up to the first wave of lust that hit me. I felt strong but inside I was weak. But even though I don't know if I am zoche to the title yet I know I grew since then because I am trying to make myself aware that I have this weakness.
One thing that I am doing different is that last time even though I had an awareness that I have to work on this parshah, I only had to work on it for some faraway time after marriage when times  become tough again. I didn't see the problem eminent. However this made my progress less consistent and made my awareness fade somewhat and when issues started coming between my father and her parents among other things and I started getting new sexual feelings when I was near my kallah (again even though I struggle with these things I feel I went through dating with her at least conscientiously with out sexual feeling nor using her as a sex object. I was clear headed and even though was attracted to her I didn't broad on it) I became triggered more easily and acted out. 
This time, however, I am telling myself every morning that this might be the day lust hits. What will I do then? I need to prepare for an ambush. I need to internalize what I have been learning on GYE. I prepare myself for what might happen today. But I also am preparing myself for the future.. so I would like to ask you a question Yesod but you dont have to answer it if not relevant: What disaster are you reffering to and why do you think things led there?

 


 

The disaster was. .......

A Young man unaware that he had a serous problem, and then began taking his wife and family for a very bumpy ride.

When the tires fell off, i found gye.

Re: Starting anew. again. 01 Mar 2016 03:14 #279738

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cordnoy wrote on 29 Feb 2016 19:10:

shmirashachaim wrote on 29 Feb 2016 18:08:


and when issues started coming between my father and her parents 


 



shew.....at least I know he ain't my son-in-law.
 

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Re: Starting anew. again. 01 Mar 2016 12:33 #279788

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Mazel Tov!
Keep it up!!!!

Im not the experienced in this because im still a bochur, but what ive learned (so far) is that as long as i know the real problem and im working on the right recovery, that is the preparation for the future and then marriage could possibly help.
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Re: Starting anew. again. 01 Mar 2016 16:36 #279812

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Sasha 2 wrote on 01 Mar 2016 12:33:
Mazel Tov!
Keep it up!!!!

Im not the experienced in this because im still a bochur, but what ive learned (so far) is that as long as i know the real problem and im working on the right recovery, that is the preparation for the future and then marriage could possibly help.

I don't think that anyone is perfect and if someone is doing honest work on themselves and they are in good recovery than marriage may just be the next step to fulfillment in their lives.
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Re: Starting anew. again. 01 Mar 2016 17:56 #279822

BenTorah.BaalHabayis wrote on 29 Feb 2016 15:04:


So true. After lusting like crazy in Yeshiva for years I thought marriage was going to cure me. And the strange thing is that for a few years I really did stop from acting out, and that just served to prove to me that marriage cured me. But what I didn't realize was that I was still lusting even if I wasn't acting out, and slowly but surely our intimacy fell apart and I eventually landed right back where I came from. 
 

thanks so much for your support and advice.. I'm just confused about how you can lust and not being aware of it. When I lust I'm pretty aware of what is happening whether i like it or not 

 
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