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Re: Appropriate Dress in Shul 12 Oct 2015 03:37 #265640

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waydown wrote:
Moish & Markz

I do appologize if it comes across as offensive. That is not my intention. Sorry I am not the best politcian so you will get me at my words quite often.

But here is how I would rephrase the statement Moish quoted.

When one does things that are out of the ordinary one should be very cautious and aware of the dangers and downsides towards it. Sometimes things look nice on the surface but they may not be the ultimate solution and can have negative effects upon us.

Waydown, I like the political version of you. One reason is I get a clearer idea of what you're really saying.

So please elaborate on what were the negative effects on me for taking off my glasses a few times in 1 week. Inquiring minds want to know.
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Re: Appropriate Dress in Shul 12 Oct 2015 10:01 #265651

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eslaasos wrote:
Anxiously awaiting Cordnoy's access to a computer to give us his dissection and explain why he loves the post while disagreeing with it.
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Firstly, why are you taking off your glasses when you walk? Do you realize every time you take off your glasses you are subconciously thinikng about women. Lust addicts have to work on being "normal" yet not taking in the shmutz. Doing crazy abnoraml things never help the situation. That doesn't mean that you should walk down a shmutzadik untznuis alley or street just to train yourself not to look. But not only do I think its useless, I think doing these farchnauikda stuff just exasporates the situation.

Everyone's different.
I could argue that your first 2 points contradict each other; that working on being "normal" includes acknowledging that there is a woman walking down the street towards me that I will do my best not to look at.
I once made a kabolah for one week in Elul to take off my glasses in the street only for the one block from my house to shul, and I didn't feel farfrumt, I felt good that I was actively expressing my desire to be more makpid on shiras eynayim. (I didn't tell my wife because I knew she would tell me to be "normal" - but my kids told her )



Re ladies dressed up in shul, personally the fact that they wera makeup and dress their best incites me. Even if they were dressed tznuis it would incite me. Yes non tznuis adds to the incitment. But my point is a yiddisha lady especailly on yom tov should look their best. Its yom tov and they should look the prettiest they can in a tznuisdik fashion. I just don't think the incitment comes from so much of the untznuis part as it does from our lust. Yes if they wore rags I wouldn't lust. (Maybe I would because I am a sick indvidual but most people).

Beautiful - women should look their best for Yomtov in a tzniusdig way. Thank you.



Generally, since it is the week of the hiliega berdichiva's yartzeit, I will say the following. In our own yiddisha circles our females have exceled in tznuis tremendously over the past 75 years. My mother a hiemisha lady grew up wearing short sleeves till bas mitzva. And her bungalow had mixed swiiming for a while. When I grew up the schools were not nearly as strict as making little girls age 5& up wear at least knee socks even in 100 degrees. Our grandmothers pre WW2 dressed far differnetly from what we would like to envison. I am not knocking prior doros. They had their nisayns and they were more sincere and erlich. But I strongly believe that while the world has been taking off their clothing over the past 50 years us yidden have enhanced our tznuis tremedously.

Obviously the nisayon of lust is a thousandfold stronger than it was, and just because they were wrong, (yes, not covering your hair is wrong for a woman, which is an example you didn't mention), in their accepted norms doesn't have any relevance to me today.


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Re: Appropriate Dress in Shul 12 Oct 2015 10:06 #265652

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In my humble opinion, the tznius of today, or better said, the lack thereof, is many times worse among the orthodox Jews today than it was in the past, although there were some that left their hair uncovered.

I hesitate (slightly) makin' this comment, for although I feel strongly that it is the truth, I do not wanna talk bad on klal yisroel.

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Re: Appropriate Dress in Shul 12 Oct 2015 14:07 #265676

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Personally I got glasses about 2 years ago and ever since I naturally take off my glasses when I walk the street or anytime I think I need to.

It also helps that I have a good enough eye sight that I don't bump into lampposts and mailboxes and say "excuse me" .
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