Good Shabboss!

"I stood for nothing, so I fell for everything."

Uplifting !! Thank You.

One of the best quotes, thanks!

Just wanted to update a bit. I'm really not sure how I'm doing. I literally spent the entire day today in service to others and I'm grateful for that opportunity. I'm stuck on the 6th step and haven't done any work on it in a couple weeks. I'm not sure why I'm avoiding it. Shabboss morning on the way to shul, I spoke out a gratitude list to myself. I've been waking up in the morning with Modeh and the step 3 prayer. That has been helping get my day off to a good start.

Thanks for listening.

serenity wrote:


Love that idea! Blee neder going to do that...
Thank you!

I just wanted to paste this post of Dov's here. I'm not posting it to raise concerns about GYE in any way and I'm sorry if it has that effect. I wouldn't want to shter anyone's recovery. I'm posting it to let people know that they are safe in SA meetings.

"And one more thing:

Even if your name is not Tzvi, you already gave away a lot of specific information about yourself (and your wife) that could be self-identifying.

Remember, anybody can and does read this forum. Jews, gentiles, trouble-makers, good people, evil - really evil and dangerous people, and your wife or neighborhood friends and family, too. Anyone.

So please consider being a bit more careful. If you choose to, you can even erase some possibly unnecessary details you wrote (like the miscarriage, your age, and recent semicha).

In this respect, and SA meeting is far safer than GYE. Walking into a live SA meeting and sharing all this (including bringing your face) has rarely endangered anyone. Iv'e been going to live meetings for 18 1/2 years with many frum and non-Jewish people, in frum, goyish, and my own neighborhoods for all these years as many others have - and my kids are getting great shiduchim, my job has not suffered, etc. Nobody knows where these meetings are - and no one comes into them, unless they are desperate first, themselves!

Curious onlookers do not actually walk into SA meetings and sit down with a bunch of perverts such as myself. Seriously.

But GYE has many, many curious onlookers to the forum. Many even read this entire forum without even getting membership or a username! It's a free and open forum for reading.

So just a thought.

- Dov"


Along the same lines as what Dov is saying, I will relate something I experienced with a guy here. I was chatting with him privately and he was afraid to give out any identifying information. That was fine with me, after all it's his prerogative. This same guy gave out his actual personal information to a woman in a chat room. The woman then threatened to use that info against him. When I pointed this out this paradox to him, he didn't understand my point. That is the mind of an addict.

serenity wrote:


When Dov first posted that, I commented that I have not heard of any mishap or fallout from gye either, but I do agree with your paradox point.

Hmm... The paradox in that story is certainly food for thought..

I really felt like I was heading for a fall yesterday. Maybe not right then, but eventually. I was trying not to think that way, because worrying about how I may fall can contribute to the fall. Then I had an amazing thought. What would my program say to do now and why aren't I working it. Novel idea, no? LOL. I called my sponsor and spoke everything out with him. Once I did that, I totally forgot about my fears and didn't even think about it til now.

When I fall, it's going to be because I'm not working my program.

Another point is that the reason I even thought to work my program, is because I secretary a SA meeting and didn't want to blow that. Commitments are important to me.

serenity wrote:


I think most people only fall when they are masiach daas from their program whatever that program may be. Your idea of doing something to make sure you stay committed to your program at all times is something I would like to learn from and find ways to keep tied to my program. Maybe a good way to do this would be to be accountable to some people such that you would always be in contact with at least someone and have to tell them where you're up to.

Hashivalisesonyishecho wrote:


Ummm....Yes!

300 Cumulative days today. I fine that feature of the 90 day chart works for me.

WOW MAZAL TOV!!!!!!!!!!!! main thing is whatever works for you......works. something i need to keep in mind and not be pressured by others to do things their way, there is no one size fits all to dealing with this problem.

serenity wrote:


Yes, I have advocated that the accumulated number should be featured as well.