No no chas veshalom, no offence [did i spell that right?] I just meant that for me, it's worse when I go shopping in say, Rav Shefa where all the women have English Accents [When I say "all" I mean those that I notice- we never notice any sixty year old men in the street, just 30 year old women- know what I mean?] than when I go to Maayan Alpayim on Shmuel haNavi.

TZ....the son-in-laws are forbidden from using that bathroom.

and now it's 30 year old women! Glad to see that maturity has kicked in!

cordnoy wrote:



I've ALWAYS been mature.

Hey Doc

I salute you for your efforts.....

No need to go into the protei protim....for an addict, every public place can be a challenge, be it a shop (store!), a chasuna, a park, in the office or a family gathering. If you have a valid need to be there, daven before going that you should not stumble (does not need to take longer then ten seconds), do what you need to do, staying on alert of course and you will be surprised how well it can go.

Its been stated already on this thread several times the importance of looking and treating women as people, not sex symbols. This takes serious 're-wiring' for us but if theres a will........

KOT

I will win the battle wrote:

then the kids won't fight about the yerusha