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Re: My personal war against the YH 29 Feb 2024 11:03 #409328

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That answer is worth much more than 2 cents... Thank You

Re: My personal war against the YH 29 Feb 2024 12:08 #409332

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Those "two cents" are ancient collector's item pennies. Rumor has it that they were from a select few that were mistakenly minted from gold instead of copper..... Worth millions.
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Re: My personal war against the YH 29 Feb 2024 12:52 #409337

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bright wrote on 29 Feb 2024 06:05:
Just to interject on this discussion on tefilla. It is totally normal to not daven as hard when there isnt an eis tzara. Dovid hamelech has different headers to different kapitlach based on the tzara. See sharim batfila who says that a tefila from a tzara has a completely dif name. (That being said, one can be on a madreiga where he realizes its always an eis tzara but IMHO this is nly for a person on a high madreiga with a counterbalance of simcha in his life.)  Regardless, it is totally normal, adam14 and you should not be hard on yourself, as that gets nobody nowhere. The solution, perhaps, is to understand the basis of tefilla as a means to connect to Hashem, which is always necessary, and a path for us to realize that he is in control of everything. Thats why we enumerate everything. When we realize everything comes from him and stop relying so much on our own strength we are deserving of blessing. (this is according to the mabit, there are others....) As far as the idea of Hashem giving us pain to make us call out to Him... I am very, very hesitant about this, although Ive heard it many times. You would never, ever send an arab nation to kill your kids to get some other ones to talk to you, or even cause your children pain with that goal in mind. Your mercy is not greater than gds. We do find that idea by a tzara that didnt yet come, more like a fright (by krias yam suf etc.), that maybe.... Either way it must be understood in the context of a loving almighty father. Just my own two cents...

Very powerful and important ideas. Thank you.
The Mekubalim explain that (among other ideas), when a Yid recognizes Hakadosh Boruch Hu as the source of what he needs, and connects to him in that context, whether it is connecting to Hashem as the Source of Parnassa, or Refua, or any other Yeshua (such as asking for help in staying clean), this actually opens a gateway that allows Bracha to flow into the world in those areas for which we have davened. 

The catalyst for this gateways and flow of Bracha is not just the incredibly potent force of the a Jew's realization and desire to connect with his Creator. It is also based on the idea that WE change through the process of Davening. When we stop, close our eyes and realize that everything comes from Hashem, when we bow down and place ourselves in His hands - WE change. Then Hashem's plan for us can change, too.

Davening isn't begging or nagging Hashem for what we want. It's a session in which we recalibrate our priorities and our perspectives. A time we take to connect to Hashem and find trust and hope in Him. A time in which we connect to our inner desires and what we really want out of life. Tefilla done right is supposed to be therapeutic on every level. And after we do the work ad accomplish those changes,  Hashem often changes His plans for us....

It doesn't always work like this and it's hard. But there can be glimmerings of some of this, even of a random day....

Just a few more thoughts, following a thoughtful Shacharis....

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Re: My personal war against the YH 29 Feb 2024 17:16 #409347

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chaimoigen wrote on 29 Feb 2024 12:52:
The Mekubalim explain that (among other ideas), when a Yid recognizes Hakadosh Boruch Hu as the source of what he needs, and connects to him in that context, whether it is connecting to Hashem as the Source of Parnassa, or Refua, or any other Yeshua (such as asking for help in staying clean), this actually opens a gateway that allows Bracha to flow into the world in those areas for which we have davened. 

My issue with this is, why does the medium of connecting have to be in the form of begging? Why can't it just be praising? We can recognize that Hashem is the source of everything without the מטבע שטבעו חכמים in שמונה עשרה that's sooooo naggy. The פשוטו של מקרא of the נוסח of שמונה עשרה suggests that the purpose is to beg. To say that no, aaaaaaakshully, it just LOOKS like begging, and really it's a Mystical Key to unlock the Gateways in Level 5 of the Game of Life, strikes me as super-lomdus.


The catalyst for this gateways and flow of Bracha is not just the incredibly potent force of the a Jew's realization and desire to connect with his Creator. It is also based on the idea that WE change through the process of Davening. When we stop, close our eyes and realize that everything comes from Hashem, when we bow down and place ourselves in His hands - WE change. Then Hashem's plan for us can change, too.

Yes, this is the famous mehalech of the ספר העקרים. But again, why does this magical internal change have to happen via begging? Why can't it happen via praise, or learning His Torah, or שבירת המדות? Yes, we realize that everything comes from Hashem, great. Do we have to do this day in and day out, 3 times a day? In a נוסח that is clearly naggy? According to this mehalech, wouldn't it be more appropriate to just stick to פסוקי דזמרא and ברכת קריאת שמע? And just the ג' ברכות ראשונות ואחרונות?


Davening isn't begging or nagging Hashem for what we want. It's a session in which we recalibrate our priorities and our perspectives. A time we take to connect to Hashem and find trust and hope in Him. A time in which we connect to our inner desires and what we really want out of life. Tefilla done right is supposed to be therapeutic on every level.

The words of שמונה עשרה are naggy, no matter how many lofty superlatives you try to ascribe to the experience. 


And after we do the work ad accomplish those changes,  Hashem often changes His plans for us....

If and when He is so inclined...

But very often, (most often?) we can beg, plead, cajole, threaten, or, even really really really (really) change internally, recalibrate our priorities and our perspectives, watch our spirit soar to cling to His Amazingness, and still...

His plan won't change one iota.

אלא מאי, He Knows what's really best.

So again, why bother at all? 

Re: My personal war against the YH 29 Feb 2024 18:44 #409357

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Bennyh wrote on 29 Feb 2024 17:16:

So again, why bother at all? 


The best way I can think of to appropriately respond is with a big, long, warm hug. 

Some days there are answers and no questions. But other days it’s grey and there are questions and no good answers. Sometime it seems that it’s a cold and it’s a broken Hallelukah….
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Re: My personal war against the YH 29 Feb 2024 19:03 #409361

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chaimoigen wrote on 29 Feb 2024 18:44:

Bennyh wrote on 29 Feb 2024 17:16:

So again, why bother at all? 



The best way I can think of to appropriately respond is with a big, long, warm hug.



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Re: My personal war against the YH 29 Feb 2024 19:15 #409365

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chaimoigen wrote on 29 Feb 2024 18:44:

Bennyh wrote on 29 Feb 2024 17:16:

So again, why bother at all? 



The best way I can think of to appropriately respond is with a big, long, warm hug

Some days there are answers and no questions. But other days it’s grey and there are questions and no good answers. Sometime it seems that it’s a cold and it’s a broken Hallelukah….

I think I’d rather get a kiss on both cheeks from Eerie, Benny you should try it. 

Re: My personal war against the YH 29 Feb 2024 19:19 #409367

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My maggid shiur explained the purpose of begging. Imagine that a poor person goes over to a rich person and says I would appreciate it if you could give me some money but really I don't need it that much. It shows that the poor person feels that he isn't dependent on the rich person and he is unappreciative of the good that the rich person has to offer. The same applies to begging from Hashem. It shows that we acknowledge that without Him we couldn't survive and we wouldn't have anything, we have no one else to turn to, and we appreciate what He does for us. This is also the purpose and translation of מודים. We acknowledge that we wouldn't have anything without Him and we appreciate what He does for us.
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Re: My personal war against the YH 29 Feb 2024 19:53 #409374

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youknowwho wrote on 29 Feb 2024 19:15:

chaimoigen wrote on 29 Feb 2024 18:44:

Bennyh wrote on 29 Feb 2024 17:16:

So again, why bother at all? 

The best way I can think of to appropriately respond is with a big, long, warm hug

Some days there are answers and no questions. But other days it’s grey and there are questions and no good answers. Sometime it seems that it’s a cold and it’s a broken Hallelukah….

I think I’d rather get a kiss on both cheeks from Eerie, Benny you should try it. 

Alright. I get it. 
Here’s another (less famous) stanza from Rav Leonard Cohen’s famous song that just about sums  it up. 

”I did my best, it wasn't much 
I couldn't feel, so I tried to touch 
I've told the truth, I didn't come to fool you 
And even though 
It all went wrong 
I'll stand before the Lord of Song 
With nothing on my tongue but Hallelukah”
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Re: My personal war against the YH 29 Feb 2024 20:29 #409376

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So again, why bother at all?

And what is wrong with what i said?
Nothing good grows in the dark. 

Re: My personal war against the YH 01 Mar 2024 11:19 #409403

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What a great conversation you guys are having. I am learning so much from reading your words. Let me throw out this simple but difficult question.

Let's say that HaShem's plan for me was to die in a car accident. Of course, there was nothing I could do to prepare for it other than wear my seatbelt, not play with my phone while driving, not speed, and do things like that.  That is not something that I would pray for; it has never entered my mind. Would any amount of davening or devotion to HaShem prevent that from happening? 

Is Hashem's plan for all of us unchangeable, or does HaShem make adjustments along the way based on outside circumstances? If I lived the most authentic, observant HaShem-focused life... Would he possibly change the decree of me dying in the crash, or would it happen regardless of how I lived my life?

I bring this up because I was telling someone about how thankful I was for the prayers for my friend and how it turned out well (so far); they chuckled and said, "Thank the doctors, not your friends."

Re: My personal war against the YH 01 Mar 2024 13:06 #409406

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II wish I had time to find the right sources right now. But basically usually davening can help. There are rare occasions when this is Hashem's wish and the decree is sealed. But we don't know when that is, so it's always proper to pray. Chazal teach us in a Midrash Rabbah near the beginning of Vaeschanan that many times the person is not answered until after he davens many times, and all those tefillos add up. (This especially applies to "big things" or when the odds are bad, etc. Especially in light of Shabbos 156a that to overcome mazal the person needs a great merit, and davening could be that great merit but it makes sense that it might take a lot of davening to add up.)
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Re: My personal war against the YH 03 Mar 2024 06:07 #409444

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adam2014 wrote on 01 Mar 2024 11:19:
What a great conversation you guys are having. I am learning so much from reading your words. Let me throw out this simple but difficult question.

Let's say that HaShem's plan for me was to die in a car accident. Of course, there was nothing I could do to prepare for it other than wear my seatbelt, not play with my phone while driving, not speed, and do things like that.  That is not something that I would pray for; it has never entered my mind. Would any amount of davening or devotion to HaShem prevent that from happening? 

Is Hashem's plan for all of us unchangeable, or does HaShem make adjustments along the way based on outside circumstances? If I lived the most authentic, observant HaShem-focused life... Would he possibly change the decree of me dying in the crash, or would it happen regardless of how I lived my life?

I bring this up because I was telling someone about how thankful I was for the prayers for my friend and how it turned out well (so far); they chuckled and said, "Thank the doctors, not your friends."

With the risk of incurring their wrath, I would suggest you dont hang out with that someone...
Nothing good grows in the dark. 

Re: My personal war against the YH 03 Mar 2024 11:44 #409448

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With the risk of incurring their wrath, I would suggest you don't hang out with that someone...

This is one of the bad things about living in a non-frum community. Most of the people that live around me are Jewish but don't even believe in God! My extended family are almost all atheists, even though they are Jewish. For them, it is a Social Status not a faith. I could go on and on about that.. LOL

I would be pretty lonely if I separated myself from every person who thinks that way. That is another test that HaShem has given me. 

Re: My personal war against the YH 05 Mar 2024 05:57 #409528

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I def hear that didnt realize that, sorry. So make sure to keep on posting when you hear those questions. Build yourself up. Maybe read reb avigdor millers book rejoice oh youth. It covers the basica in a prety clear way. There may be others that are better, thats just what i read.
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