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Re: I'm Fed Up 18 Jun 2025 23:15 #437591

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Given that I struggle with News and YouTube as well and binge eating not sure what to say

For the 2 former I've essentially gone cold turkey (and in the current conflict in Israel am like a beggar begging for scraps of news...and it feels great!).

Not sure about binge eating but I've upped my exercise regime. Trying to go on treadmill 20 minutes a day. I know my eating is upsetting the balance more than the exercise but the exercise also feels good (can you say endorphins!)

Re: I'm Fed Up 20 Jun 2025 09:33 #437691

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Posting for accountabilty...

My wife is abroad. My children are in their various Moisdos. I have no chavrusa this morning. I could go to that place I went to just a few weeks ago and indulge in the most relaxing experience on earth... Nobody will see, nobody will know. An opportunity that won't happen so quickly again! My YH is trying hard...

But no. Full stop. 
It may be what I want to do but it's not who I want to be.

TYH for this opportunity of Teshuvah.
My favourite resources:
1. "זאת בריתי". hebrewbooks.org/56572 (PM me for a sharper version)
2. "שערי גדולה". hebrewbooks.org/48344
3.  guardyoureyes.com/ebooks/item/the-battle-of-the-generation

My journey: Emunah struggles, Celebrating a fall, I'm fed up(main thread), I'm drowning, Tips for Shmiras Einayim.

Re: I'm Fed Up 20 Jun 2025 14:43 #437699

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So impressive!
We're in this struggle together; feel free to reach out! 
Feel free to email me at muttel613@gmail.com

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Check out my thread here: guardyoureyes.com/forum/19-Introduce-Yourself/413043-My-ENTIRE-story#413043

Re: I'm Fed Up 20 Jun 2025 18:33 #437710

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Hi I'm new here but just wanna say I'm inspired by your journey sounds like you're getting somewhere despite a really hard situation.

I once had a somewhat similar situation regarding the emuna issues you mentioned at points in your thread. I don't want to generalize or assume anything because I know everyone is different. Just saying that with me it was definitely anxiety/obsessive thoughts related and once i realized that it was the beginning of me getting out of it. Hatzlacha and kol hakavod may your perseverance be a lesson for me and all of the rest of us on here 
"Damn the torpedoes full speed ahead!"- David Farragut, admiral, United states navy (during  the civil war)
"I shall return" -General Douglas MacArthur 

Re: I'm Fed Up 06 Jul 2025 00:20 #438473

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Today in Daf Hayomi was the story of R' Elozor Ben Durdayo (עבודה זרה יז). What I have taken with me from this Gemara:

אמרו עליו על רבי אלעזר בן דורדיא שלא הניח זונה אחת בעולם שלא בא עליה
1. It's a never ending persuit. That 1 affair won't give me satisfaction, I'll just want more.

פעם אחת שמע שיש זונה אחת בכרכי הים והייתה נוטלת כיס דינרין בשכרה. נטל כיס דינרין והלך ועבר עליה שבעה נהרות
2. Eventually the sex-addiction will get so strong that I'll make irrational decisions. I'll waste all of my money, endager my life, risk getting caught and losing my wife & family - just for the sake of a moment of pleasure.

בשעת הרגל דבר הפיחה, אמר(ה): כשם שהפיחה זו אינה חוזרת למקומה, כך אלעזר בן דורדיא אין מקבלין אותו בתשובה
3. When she was מפיח, he started thinking about life... Could it be that perhaps his bubble of דמיונות burst? It wasn't quite working out the way he imagined? A bit like finally the wife and kids are sleeping and you're trying to watch Pornography but the internet connection is weak and it's just not working out... it makes you catch yourself, like hey, where have I gotten to?!   -- It's all דמיון.

הלך וישב בין שני הרים וגבעות, אמר: הרים וגבעות בקשו עלי רחמים וכו' וכו' אמר: אין הדבר תלוי אלא בי
4. We can't and shouldn't rely on anything or anyone else. אם אין אני לי מי לי. It's in my own hands.

הניח ראשו בין ברכיו וגעה בבכיה עד שיצתה נשמתו
5. "Dos pintele Yid"! (The jewish spark.) However far a person has gone, he knows and feels the אמת.
6. The terrible feeling of regret. רשעים מלאים חרטות.
7. Don't wait until it's too late. The צער הנפש can be so great - it can be fatal!!

יצתה בת קול ואמרה: רבי אלעזר בן דורדיא מזומן לחיי העולם הבא
8. The unbelievable power of real Teshuvah, regardless to the severity or frequency of the sins.


Any הערות or הוספות are welcome!
My favourite resources:
1. "זאת בריתי". hebrewbooks.org/56572 (PM me for a sharper version)
2. "שערי גדולה". hebrewbooks.org/48344
3.  guardyoureyes.com/ebooks/item/the-battle-of-the-generation

My journey: Emunah struggles, Celebrating a fall, I'm fed up(main thread), I'm drowning, Tips for Shmiras Einayim.
Last Edit: 06 Jul 2025 00:27 by upanddown.

Re: I'm Fed Up 07 Jul 2025 12:18 #438517

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upanddown wrote on 06 Jul 2025 00:20:
Today in Daf Hayomi was the story of R' Elozor Ben Durdayo (עבודה זרה יז). What I have taken with me from this Gemara:

אמרו עליו על רבי אלעזר בן דורדיא שלא הניח זונה אחת בעולם שלא בא עליה
1. It's a never ending persuit. That 1 affair won't give me satisfaction, I'll just want more.

פעם אחת שמע שיש זונה אחת בכרכי הים והייתה נוטלת כיס דינרין בשכרה. נטל כיס דינרין והלך ועבר עליה שבעה נהרות
2. Eventually the sex-addiction will get so strong that I'll make irrational decisions. I'll waste all of my money, endager my life, risk getting caught and losing my wife & family - just for the sake of a moment of pleasure.

בשעת הרגל דבר הפיחה, אמר(ה): כשם שהפיחה זו אינה חוזרת למקומה, כך אלעזר בן דורדיא אין מקבלין אותו בתשובה
3. When she was מפיח, he started thinking about life... Could it be that perhaps his bubble of דמיונות burst? It wasn't quite working out the way he imagined? A bit like finally the wife and kids are sleeping and you're trying to watch Pornography but the internet connection is weak and it's just not working out... it makes you catch yourself, like hey, where have I gotten to?!   -- It's all דמיון.

הלך וישב בין שני הרים וגבעות, אמר: הרים וגבעות בקשו עלי רחמים וכו' וכו' אמר: אין הדבר תלוי אלא בי
4. We can't and shouldn't rely on anything or anyone else. אם אין אני לי מי לי. It's in my own hands.

הניח ראשו בין ברכיו וגעה בבכיה עד שיצתה נשמתו
5. "Dos pintele Yid"! (The jewish spark.) However far a person has gone, he knows and feels the אמת.
6. The terrible feeling of regret. רשעים מלאים חרטות.
7. Don't wait until it's too late. The צער הנפש can be so great - it can be fatal!!

יצתה בת קול ואמרה: רבי אלעזר בן דורדיא מזומן לחיי העולם הבא
8. The unbelievable power of real Teshuvah, regardless to the severity or frequency of the sins.


Any הערות or הוספות are welcome!

Great insights! Also see Chapter 11 of The Battle of the Generation (maybe someone could post some of it here).
In the place where ba’alei teshuva stand, even pure tzaddikim who never sinned cannot stand. (Rabbi Avohu, Brachos 34b)

Great free resources:
My favorite book for breaking free: The Battle of the Generation 
https://guardyoureyes.com/ebooks/item/the-battle-of-the-generation. Change your attitude and change your life!

Rabbi Shafier's incredible lectures on breaking free: The Fight. Download here: 
https://theshmuz.com/series/the-fight/

If you're only ready to try something very small (recently updated and PDF available):
https://guardyoureyes.com/forum/4-On-the-Way-to-90-Days/378128-Captain—Shtarkemotionals-Secret90Day-Challenge

Re: I'm Fed Up 07 Jul 2025 13:18 #438518

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Chapter 11 
Making the Decision to Change

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The incredible story of the teshuva of Rabbi Elazar ben Durdia is related by the Gemara (Avodah Zara 17a). Elazar ben Durdia was known to have visited every woman of ill repute in the world. Once, he heard of such a woman who lived far away. He amassed a bag of gold coins and traveled across seven rivers to reach her. When she met him, this woman recognized his depravity and told him that he would never be accepted back in teshuva. Struck by her statement, he ran out
of the house.
Elazar sat between two mountains and valleys. He cried out, “Mountains and valleys, beg for mercy on my behalf!” The mountains and valleys declined his request. He then asked the heavens and earth to beg mercy for him, but he was turned down again. He called out for the sun and moon to plead on his behalf, and they too refused. He begged the stars and constellations for help, and he was rebuffed once again.
Finally, Elazar said to himself, “It all depends on me!” He sobbed bitterly over his sins until he died. At that moment, a heavenly voice proclaimed, “Rabbi Elazar ben Durdia is ready to enter Olam Habba.”
When Rebbe (Rabbi Yehuda HaNasi) heard this, he cried and said, “Some people acquire their portion in the World to Come

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over many years, while others acquire their portion in one minute!”
Rebbe continued, “Not only do they accept those who repent
[in Heaven], they even call them ʻRabbi!’”
There is a lot to learn from this story. Let’s start by
examining what caused Elazar ben Durdia to do teshuva. What
changed? Before this woman told him that he wouldn’t be
accepted back in teshuva, didn’t he know that what he had been
doing his whole life was wrong? Of course he knew Hashem
didn’t like promiscuity, but that did not stop him from acting as
he pleased. What changed now? What woke him up and caused
him to change his life?
Rabbi Shafier (Shmuz 3: “Yom Kippur: The Power of
Teshuva,” www.TheShmuz.com) answers that Elazar realized
he had hit rock bottom. When that sinful woman made her
remark, he understood that he had fallen lower than he’d ever
thought possible, certainly lower than where he was comfortable
viewing himself. That shocking realization broke through all his
rationalizations, waking him up and enabling him to see clearly.
Not liking where he saw himself brought him to tears, and he
turned around immediately. Of course, Hashem accepted his
teshuva; Hashem eagerly awaits the repentance of even the most
sinful people because of His tremendous love for all His children.
For many people, there comes a point in their lives when
they overstep their bounds and do what they never thought they
would stoop to do. The shock and regret they feel afterward is
searing. It is vital that they respond properly to this pain because
this moment is the most critical moment of their lives. In that
instant, they can decide to see past their rationalizations and
change, or they can defend their decisions instead.
Unfortunately, no matter how they respond, it will be
painful. Whether they commit to act differently or try to deny
their mistakes, they cannot completely quell the agonizing

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realization that they have done something wrong. Deep down, they know they failed, and that feeling is excruciating.
But there is a way for a person to mitigate much of this pain, and that is by saying to himself, “I will make this the most productive thing that ever happened to me because I am going to use it to change my whole life! Years from now, I am going to look back and realize that all I have become is because of what happened today, and that had it not happened, I probably would have continued to plummet further instead. I am going to become a different person and reach greatness because of what happened!” Making what happened productive by deciding to turn around because of it eases the sting of regret like nothing else can. Best of all, it is a huge shortcut on the road to self-control. It enables us to attain lasting change much faster than usual.
Of course, we must also remember that teshuva completely wipes away our sins as if we never did them.19 Once we repent, we no longer have to feel down about what we did. We can take comfort in the knowledge that our error has been erased and move on.
There is another lesson we can learn from this story. When Elazar ben Durdia tried to do teshuva, he first reached out to the elements of nature, requesting they do teshuva on his behalf. What was he doing? Did he really think the mountains and stars could repent for him?
Rav Yonasan Eibeshutz (Ya’aros Devash, Volume 2, Derush 10) explains that Elazar ben Durdia was trying to blame his behavior on his surroundings. He tried to blame society for his wrongdoings. But eventually, he realized that if he wanted to change, everything depended on him alone. No one else could change him and make him repent. If he wanted anything to
19. See Rambam Hilchos Teshuva 7:4.

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change, he had to take responsibility for his mistakes, and even
more important, for what his future would be like. He had to
cut past all his excuses and his identity as a lustful person. He
had to resolve that he would change things and not let anything
hold him back. That was the only way for him to successfully
do teshuva.
This is a critical lesson for us. We all have various
rationalizations for our behavior when we mess up. Anyone who
doesn’t have these rationalizations wouldn’t be able to handle
the guilt and self-criticism that come after sinning. And the truth
is that these excuses might be built on some very good points.
We really are living in a challenging generation, and we face
tests from all sides. Our friends might be into the wrong things,
we experience social pressures from those around us, and we
encounter warped perspectives from society on what matters
in life. Sin is far more accessible than it ever was, and its sales
pitch is much more tempting and far-reaching than it was even
one generation ago. People in past generations could never have
even dreamed of the challenges we face. For good reason, we
wonder what could possibly be expected of us. Our behavior is
typical for anyone challenged so much. It takes much planning
and effort to succeed.
But those rationalizations won’t get us anywhere. If we
continue to use them, we will stay the same for the rest of our
lives, wishing we could do better and feeling bad for giving in.
Does anyone enjoy feeling that he is a slave to his passions? Do
you want to feel powerless and inferior for the rest of your life?
Nobody does. We only settle for that because we lack a better
alternative. Well, there is a better alternative — to get up and
fight! We can tell ourselves that we are sick of the guilt and that
we hate feeling incapable of reaching greatness. We can leave our
past behind and begin anew. We can free ourselves from the grip

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of desire and follow our dreams of greatness, just by making that decision to fight!
The key to quick, lasting change is the statement Elazar ben Durdia exclaimed: “It all depends on me!” He was telling himself, “I cannot rely on anyone else if I want things to be different! I must take care of it myself! I have to make it happen, and that is exactly what I will do!” Taking responsibility enabled him to make the most dramatic transformation in history, and that is how we can do the same and reach great heights, no matter how challenging our situation is.
We do not need to blame ourselves or beat ourselves up to make this turnaround happen. We need not revisit the past to decide to change. (Although wishing we had acted differently is part of the teshuva process, we can leave it for later if it is too daunting to deal with right away.) All we need to do is think about our lives until we realize that we are not happy with the way things are and then say to ourselves, “I am going to make things different.” Of course, we must rely on Hashem for His help because we cannot succeed without it, but then we must shed all our checkered history because all that is irrelevant now. Once we have decided to change and we know Hashem is helping us, we are capable of success!
Once we have decided to change, we no longer are our old selves who messed up so many times. We have left all that behind and have become new people. We are in control, and we are proud of who we now are! That is how we must identify ourselves from now on.
We must avoid making excuses or blaming our circumstances, which stops us from succeeding. But we must also forget about harshly judging ourselves, which would be wrong and irrelevant. Instead, we must focus on the exceptional person we want to be. We must have confidence that we will

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eventually reach the great heights we aspire to because we have
taken responsibility for getting there! Since we have decided to
change, nothing can hold us back. Nothing will be stronger than
our determination to succeed and reach greatness!
The Chazon Ish (Emunah U’Bitachon 4:1) writes that
although our Sages taught us about many different middos and
how to perfect them, one middah matters more than any other:
the trait of deciding to fight our negative impulses. No matter
what middos a person struggles with, the most important factor
is whether he allows them to run his life or fights back. That will
determine whether he will overcome his bad traits and where he
will end up as a person.
It is easy to follow our impulses, especially because they
are so strong. Giving up takes the least effort, while fighting
them requires an incredible amount of energy. Nevertheless, it is
crucial that we take control of our actions. Although we might feel
weighed down by strong desires and bad habits, we can conquer
these impulses if we say to ourselves, “I don’t want things to go
this way. I want to be in control and live a thrilling and rewarding
life! I want to feel good about myself, and I want to be happy
with the path I chose. I won’t let any desire control my life any
longer, no matter how strong it is! I will stand up and fight!”
If you need to muster more strength to make the decision,
remind yourself that you will experience so much pain if you
don’t change. Think about it until you feel you have no choice
but to change, even though changing will mean leaving some
pleasures behind. You don’t want things to remain the way
they are! Think about all the pain those indulgences put you
through and how unsatisfying it was. Realize that chasing
after desire is just not worth it! Say to yourself that you are
done with being a person you don’t want to be, and that you
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hard about where your life is heading and where you want it to be until you feel determined never to return to your
bad habits.20
Once you decide to fight your desires, you will see that you have the strength to succeed. Of course, you will still face strong impulses that will make you feel that you want to indulge and that nothing else matters. Determination to change doesn’t make your temptations go away; you will still be challenged. But if you are determined and use a step-by-step plan, you will succeed.
Nobody other than yourself will make you change. You might be able to blame your life’s circumstances for your failures, and nobody will argue with you. If a couple of things in your life were different, of course you would be doing a much better job controlling yourself. But those things are not different, and they probably won’t change anytime soon. If you want your life to improve so you can become the person you want to be, you must make things change. You must take control of your life instead of letting your desires and circumstances control you. Take responsibility for your mistakes without beating yourself up. Tell yourself that though it would have been difficult to control yourself those times you didn’t, and though it will take significant effort for you to take charge, you will regain control starting now. By accepting responsibility to change, you are taking the first step toward the self-control and happiness
you seek.
There is one more lesson to take from this story. At the end of his teshuva, Elazar ben Durdia died. The Maharsha (Chiddushei Agados, s.v. Hachi Ka’amar) explains that Elazar was so entrenched in his lusts that it would have been extremely difficult for him to avoid sin had he remained alive. It was too likely that he would
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slip back into temptation. For that reason, Hashem had to take
him from this world right after he repented.
It would seem that from a spiritual perspective, Elazar
ben Durdia had it easy. He died right after repenting and went
straight to the World to Come, where he immediately received
the greatest pleasure in existence. He did not have to struggle to
control himself. We, however, remain alive to face that difficult
task. It would be much easier if we were never challenged again,
but no doubt we will be — many times. If we don’t want to slip
back into the trap of desire, we must work so hard. It seems unfair!
We don’t want to give in again and we want to be good, so why
must it be so difficult? Why did Elazar have it easy while we
have to struggle?
In reality, however, we are way more fortunate than Elazar
ben Durdia. We are lucky to face such difficult battles because
these challenges are our opportunity to reach greatness! The
more difficult the battle, the greater we can become by winning.
Unfortunately for Elazar, he no longer had a reasonable chance of
winning such battles, and thus Hashem had to take him from this
world. Because he repented out of love for Hashem, his portion
in the World to Come is amazing. He received reward for each
sin he committed because the sins of a person who does teshuva
out of love for Hashem are turned into merits (Yoma 86a). Yet,
he never had another opportunity to overcome his nature in the
battle against desire. We, however, were given this incredible
opportunity! We get to face countless battles against the yetzer
hara, which means we can perform many acts of greatness, each
of immeasurable value.
It is true that it is harder to lose control when there are
no challenges. It is much easier to stay perfect when there are
no tests. But still it is to our advantage that we are constantly
challenged, because it presents us with the greatest opportunity

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ever: the opportunity to reach incredible heights!
We must never forget that the focus of life is to accomplish, not to stay perfect. This is why Hashem put us in this world — the reason we are not better off dead! Let us take advantage of this opportunity rather than focusing on the impossibility of staying perfect. We have the greatest opportunity there ever was! Let’s not forget that.
Let’s encourage ourselves further by remembering that Hashem had to take Elazar ben Durdia from this world because he probably wouldn’t have been able to control himself had he remained alive. We can deduce from this that since Hashem has kept us alive after we decided to improve, that means we can regain control over ourselves. We can defeat the yetzer hara. It’s not just that Hashem believes in us; He knows for a fact that we can do it. He is helping us, so we can definitely succeed. Let’s never give up, because unimaginable success is within our reach. Let’s go forward with confidence and reach the greatest heights!
Though it might seem difficult, we can attain phenomenal success if we decide to take control. The crowning peak of achievement awaits if we stand up and fight in the battle of the generation.


Quick Recap:

If we ever slip up badly, we can use that to spring us forward to reach heights far beyond where we would have reached had we not fallen. We can turn our mistakes into the most productive events in our lives!

We must decide to take control of our lives, no matter whose fault it is and how many excuses we have. The determination to stand up and fight will give us the strength to defeat the yetzer hara.

As long as Hashem keeps us alive, that means He is helping
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us fight our yetzer hara and He knows for a fact that we can
defeat him! This is encouraging news for us because it means
that we can reach greatness!
Today is yesterday's tomorrow.
The yetzarim a person has the most trouble dealing with are his most powerful God-given tools for developing his potential and achieving shleimus.
It doesn't matter how big the number is, only that today it is going up by one.
There is no "just" when it comes to lust.

Please feel free to reach out. I'd appreciate connecting with you (via GYE, email, or phone - whatever floats your boat)
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Re: I'm Fed Up 15 Jul 2025 19:20 #438966

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Feeling vulnerable, so posting for accountability.
Hoping to go jogging this evening to boost my endorphins.
My favourite resources:
1. "זאת בריתי". hebrewbooks.org/56572 (PM me for a sharper version)
2. "שערי גדולה". hebrewbooks.org/48344
3.  guardyoureyes.com/ebooks/item/the-battle-of-the-generation

My journey: Emunah struggles, Celebrating a fall, I'm fed up(main thread), I'm drowning, Tips for Shmiras Einayim.

Re: I'm Fed Up 21 Jul 2025 01:05 #439181

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Been having some really strong urges lately. Can't sit still. So today I did some intense excersise until I was totally smashed. It really helped.

Interestingly, when i go out jogging on my own and in my t-shirt and basball cap, I get bombarded with מחשבות זרות... so I try to divert my mind to just enjoy the nature etc. 
I have to just get into my head that going jogging in a t-shirt is not a goiyshe thing. 
Alternatively I could do it in my hat and jacket. Not so practical.
(Please nobody suggest i should listen to a shiur while I'm running... thank you.)

73 days clean btw.
My favourite resources:
1. "זאת בריתי". hebrewbooks.org/56572 (PM me for a sharper version)
2. "שערי גדולה". hebrewbooks.org/48344
3.  guardyoureyes.com/ebooks/item/the-battle-of-the-generation

My journey: Emunah struggles, Celebrating a fall, I'm fed up(main thread), I'm drowning, Tips for Shmiras Einayim.

Re: I'm Fed Up 21 Jul 2025 11:58 #439195

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upanddown wrote on 21 Jul 2025 01:05:
I have to just get into my head that going jogging in a t-shirt is not a goiyshe thing. 

73 days clean btw.

Love this!

How do you feel about your gedarim? I think sometimes the yetzer pushes the tree a little harder if he thinks a coconut is likely to fall out.

Re: I'm Fed Up 21 Jul 2025 17:00 #439207

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kavey wrote on 21 Jul 2025 11:58:

upanddown wrote on 21 Jul 2025 01:05:
I have to just get into my head that going jogging in a t-shirt is not a goiyshe thing. 

73 days clean btw.

Love this!

How do you feel about your gedarim? I think sometimes the yetzer pushes the tree a little harder if he thinks a coconut is likely to fall out.

I've actually been very strong during the last Tekufah and kept to my Gedarim; however, the YH just doesn't give up. It's unreal how determined he is. יצרו של אדם מתגבר/מתחדש עליו בכל יום

Another important point: I find that as the clean streak gets longer, we tend to feel drained, "it's been so long... so many battles with the YH.... I need a break... the urges are getting stronger and stronger..." This is a misconception. I must rewire my brain and tell myself: There is absolutely no difference between day 73 and day 1. It's not like fasting, where the longer you fast the hungrier you get. Urges come and go depending on sooo many different factors, but it has little to do with the length of time that I have abstained from acting out. Sometimes it helps to just pretend that today is day 1. Perhaps this is the Amkus in ODAAT!
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2. "שערי גדולה". hebrewbooks.org/48344
3.  guardyoureyes.com/ebooks/item/the-battle-of-the-generation

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Re: I'm Fed Up 21 Jul 2025 18:01 #439211

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Let me clarify.

R' Pincus has a mashal he gives (I think) during Yamim Noraim. He says there's a guy who has inappropriate magazines and during Elul wants to clean up but doesn't feel ready to quite throw them out. So he goes up to his attic and shoves them in a dark corner under a ton of boxes.

He then is strong for Tishrei, Cheshvan and Kislev but on a dark Teves night he has a horrible fight with his wife and unearths those magazines.

If the magazines were gone this wouldn't have happened.

I'm wondering if your yetzer hara is giving you a harder time because he knows where your weak spot is and expects that if he keeps pushing it can be exploited.

That's what I mean by gedarim. Note that I'm not saying get rid of the internet and/or smartphone.

I don't think these things can really be removed physically as the very sad example of people buying "burner phones" shows but I think there is a point where "inappropriate material feels out of reach" which is personal to yenem where by necessity the struggle becomes less.

Re: I'm Fed Up 21 Jul 2025 21:11 #439220

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kavey wrote on 21 Jul 2025 18:01:
.............. but I think there is a point where "inappropriate material feels out of reach" which is personal to yenem where by necessity the struggle becomes less.

I get what you mean.
But it's really not easy to make it feel out of reach because the reality is that...
- On ANY given day I have the option to drive to 10 different locations, all just 5-15 min away, and have a most pleasurable experience for only a small fee (VY*).
- At ANY given moment I have the option of removing my filter from my personal laptop and breathing a sigh of relief.
- At ANY given moment I can go to the bathroom or get in the shower and indulge...
- EVERY time I'm out on a jog, disguised in my baseball cap and t-shirt, on my own, it's getting dark... I can easily take a different route and end up at the dirtiest places with the most beautiful night birds—without being noticed.

So ultimately, what's stopping me?
Just one passuk: ובחרת בחיים.
And Shem's story.
Nothing else.


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My favourite resources:
1. "זאת בריתי". hebrewbooks.org/56572 (PM me for a sharper version)
2. "שערי גדולה". hebrewbooks.org/48344
3.  guardyoureyes.com/ebooks/item/the-battle-of-the-generation

My journey: Emunah struggles, Celebrating a fall, I'm fed up(main thread), I'm drowning, Tips for Shmiras Einayim.
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Re: I'm Fed Up 22 Jul 2025 14:44 #439250

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Wow that's hard. Can you possibly make a small change that makes any of these incrementally further away? Everything counts.

I'm also wondering about your batteries? I see a lot of 'Yirah' type motivations but those will fall away if and when the motivational batteries get drained.

Are you baking in some R&R (rest and relaxation) to recharge your batteries? Exercise is good, but personally I find it gives a "boost" but not a "reset" which I think is stronger. I think a lot of us have trained ourselves to relax with porn and other escapes but there are alternatives that aren't gateway drugs (can you say Youtube)...

Re: I'm Fed Up 22 Jul 2025 19:46 #439268

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You're making some good points...

Not sure how to make the pitfall further away... its literally around the corner. Accountability is probably the best option, but anonymous accountability (via GYE) is not so effective. In person, I can't think of anyone I can trust. If my wife knew about my struggle (especially the first one mentioned in my previous post) then that would be a good shmirah. But I can't disclose to her.

Truth is, I'm in a really good place atm, full of determination, getting fresh enthusiasm almost every day by learning the fundamental Mussar Sefarim, but the fact that I have such an easy way to be with a Shiksa is causing my YH to keep bothering me...

Re relaxation - I can't think of any relaxing activity that is as good as P and M. Youtube browsing leads to watching inappropriate stuff. But you're right, I must find an alternative, as generally I'm really harsh on myself.
My favourite resources:
1. "זאת בריתי". hebrewbooks.org/56572 (PM me for a sharper version)
2. "שערי גדולה". hebrewbooks.org/48344
3.  guardyoureyes.com/ebooks/item/the-battle-of-the-generation

My journey: Emunah struggles, Celebrating a fall, I'm fed up(main thread), I'm drowning, Tips for Shmiras Einayim.
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