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Re: Slowly dying in Yeshiva 18 Nov 2011 08:22 #125976

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In most cases, the 12-Steps will only work if you follow the following 4 conditions:
1) You have to give up and realize you can't do it with your own power.
2) You need the power of the group. It needs to be worked with a group
3) You need a sponsor to talk to and guide you through the steps.
4) You need to be ready to pick up the phone and call someone when you feel weak. BEFORE you fall.

If you commit to these 4 things, the 12-Steps have a much higher success rate than 5%. More like 70%.

By joining one of GYE's daily 12-Step phone conferences, you can fulfill these 4 things. But you need to make recovery your #1 priority. Don't miss the calls for anything!
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Re: Slowly dying in Yeshiva 18 Nov 2011 09:22 #125977

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Forget success rates. Who really knows what they are?

Focus on what works for YOU! You are the star of this movie.

Aim for progress, not perfection. working the steps I realized I'd been keeping mitzvos, but I wasn't very connected to Hashem. Turning my will over to Him meant sometimes, on a minute by minute basis, doing what I really knew His will is  (everything from not looking at triggers even when it is really difficult, to making sure I get to that minyan on time and not at my usual lazy "a few moments late", etc etc.) It is different for each of us. But turning our will over to Hashem for frum Jews means following Halacha and then some. Because we can follow Halacha and still not follow His will.


dudayai wrote on 18 Nov 2011 04:24:

Thank you for all the beautiful replies, I really feel better, as to answer why the 12 steps didn't work; I have been on and off 12 steps for about 2 years, and I know those books, listened in to meetings, did long 4th steps, constantly listing to audios of real aa meetings, Joe and Charlie book study, etc. Countless hours, but I never really changed.  I always felt that I never gave my will over to G-d, meaning I would be honest and better in midos, but I could see myself failing in Mitzvos, so it was as if I didnt really care about G-d, just used him for my gain, and I just cant pinpoint it exactly but I left 12 steps with the conviction that there are other ways to recover, and then went back, and so on. I also didn't like the 5 % success rate. I think Im slowly realizing that 12 steps is my only option.
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Re: Slowly dying in Yeshiva 18 Nov 2011 09:56 #125979

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Guard, so if I immerse myself within a phone group, i should be fine? Im severely anti social, lol. I need a sponsor who can understand this, anyone have any suggestions?

Also, the thing about mitzvos is, that im a baal teshuva, and learning aside, I find it so hard to keep other mitvos, some of which i secretly dont keep which bugs me because it a lack of doing g-ds will so I fall.
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Re: Slowly dying in Yeshiva 18 Nov 2011 15:02 #126002

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dudayai wrote on 18 Nov 2011 09:56:

Guard, so if I immerse myself within a phone group, i should be fine?

I'm not guard, but from your tone I sense that you are looking for someone else to take away your problem.  Joining a phone group just means that you can work a telephone.  You need to work the steps.  They will not magically transform you.

Am I on to something, or totally off base?
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Re: Slowly dying in Yeshiva 18 Nov 2011 16:46 #126022

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i did the steps and i did meetings, it just didnt change me

i need a 1 on 1 guide to get me thru, somewhere i went wrong i dont know where

i felt i was using g-d for recovery.. i dont know =/
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Re: Slowly dying in Yeshiva 18 Nov 2011 17:01 #126025

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dudayai wrote on 18 Nov 2011 16:46:

i need a 1 on 1 guide to get me thru, somewhere i went wrong i dont know where

I'm no 12 step guru, but isn't that called a sponsor?
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Re: Slowly dying in Yeshiva 19 Nov 2011 16:42 #126063

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Get a sponsor & work the steps. You can't do it alone.


dudayai wrote on 18 Nov 2011 16:46:

i did the steps and i did meetings, it just didnt change me

i need a 1 on 1 guide to get me thru, somewhere i went wrong i dont know where

i felt i was using g-d for recovery.. i dont know =/
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Re: Slowly dying in Yeshiva 20 Nov 2011 05:43 #126107

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Yeah, Im willing. Where can i get a sponser?
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Re: Slowly dying in Yeshiva 20 Nov 2011 16:33 #126133

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dudayai wrote on 18 Nov 2011 16:46:

i did the steps and i did meetings, it just didnt change me

If you're going to meetings, don't they tell you how to get a sponsor???
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Re: Slowly dying in Yeshiva 21 Nov 2011 02:11 #126180

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I used to go to meetings, and couldn't take the public aspect on account of the social anxiety, so I went to online meetings and phone groups, here and elsewhere, mainly Big book step study.. I was looking for someone who understands my matzav more or less, but someone on here graciously offered to help for the time being , so thanks =)
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